181 Supermini scrappage deals

Cannon_fodder

Going to kick this off given I have a 2007 S40 1.6D that I want to trade in for a new super mini.

S40 has more fault lights than a set of traffic lights, good to drive but has reliability question marks on it, has a valid NCT till 12/2018 and 4 new tyres. I want to cut my losses with it and get the best trade in scrappage deal for a 181 super mini when junior passes the test.

Heard today VW are running a scrappage scheme from 8th September and will post that when details are available. Would be hoping that there would be 1500 to 2500 scrappage deals on 181 models. What else would dealers offer on the S40? What else would dealers offer against each other?

Choices are:
1. Renault Clio 1.2

2. Mazda 2 - 1.5 litre

3. Seat Ibiza 1.0 litre

4. VW Polo 1.0 litre

5. Fiesta 1.1 litre

6. Micra 1.0 litre (God how I hate this car's drivers!)

7. Hyundai I20

8. Peugeot 208 1.2

9. Skoda Fabia 1.0

Lantus

Skoda Fabia should be in there. Car of year now a few years in its class. High tech and all the vw tech in a slightly more cost effective body.

oscar2

Do you hate the new Nissan Micra?

The new Seat Ibiza looks good. Don't forget Peugeot 208. Peugeot seem to be on a roll at the moment.

bazz26

I thought the 1.25 litre engine was never carried over to the new Fiesta, they are all 1.0 litre now afaik.

Cannon_fodder

Lantus wrote: »

Skoda Fabia should be in there. Car of year now a few years in its class. High tech and all the vw tech in a slightly more cost effective body.

Agree, it was a huge hit when it first came out but has waned in terms of appeal since then, Octavia never waned but the Fabia did.

Cannon_fodder

oscar2 wrote: »

Do you hate the new Nissan Micra?

The new Seat Ibiza looks good. Don't forget Peugeot 208. Peugeot seem to be on a roll at the moment.

Any idea when the 209 will be out?

Cannon_fodder

bazz26 wrote: »

I thought the 1.25 litre engine was never carried over to the new Fiesta, they are all 1.0 litre now afaik.

Cheers, its 1.1 litre. Interestingly, in the North Ford are offering £2,000 trade scrappage on pre 2010 diesels owned for at least 90 days. They are more concerned with getting the diesel car off the road than who owns them!

Atlantic Dawn

What about a Honda Jazz?

Cannon_fodder

Jazz is a city car, see very few on the country roads. Will be narrowing the list down once scrappage deals are announced. Going to be busy.

At a guess, if Renault come out with a half decent scrappage then it will be Clio.

If the Government bring out a scrappage I would take the Mazda 2, just don't see Mazda offering a scrappage.

Time will tell.......M Tax on the S40 is up end of Dec so better get sorted.

JohnBoy26

The jazz is not a city car. It is in the same class as a ford fiesta/polo.

colm_mcm

What's a city car these days?

OP - worth pointing out that VRT may well go up in 2018 due to new emissions testing criteria

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

What's a city car these days?

OP - worth pointing out that VRT may well go up in 2018 due to new emissions testing criteria

Hyundai i10 vw up ford ka+ etc

bazz26

Cannon_fodder wrote: »

Cheers, its 1.1 litre. Interestingly, in the North Ford are offering £2,000 trade scrappage on pre 2010 diesels owned for at least 90 days. They are more concerned with getting the diesel car off the road than who owns them!

Diesel is a fashionable dirty word now so car manufacturers are just appealing to the popular thinking in order to use it as an angle to drum up sales.

Cannon_fodder

Diesel is dirty full stop. Missus is glad we got rid of the 1.6D Golf when we did and it gave EGR trouble. Motor Factors I use here describe it as a dirty fuel and they every chemical you know of to treat diesel this and diesel that. The only thing it had was economy and now petrols have caught up in many respects.

Cannon_fodder

colm_mcm wrote: »

What's a city car these days?

OP - worth pointing out that VRT may well go up in 2018 due to new emissions testing criteria

Won't affect the above cars bar the new Polo until Sept 2018, interesting point though...
http://wltpfacts.eu/when-will-wltp-changes-take-place/

bazz26

They want all ICE engines including petrol gone in the long term too. Wait for similar type scrappage schemes introduced for that too to push people towards whatever is the new popular belief. Consumerism - wash, rinse, repeat.

Redderneck

Mrs just brought home the new Micra. 0.9 L with an itty bitty turbo. Turns every single one of my preconceptions about Micras and Micra drivers on its head. Great fun to drive. Bear in mind I've been driving a lumpen family bus for the guts of 10 years and there may well be a case of "doesn't get out much" in play here - but I love driving it.

Arthur Daley

Citroen C3 deserves some thought. A comfortable citroen ride,, but certainly not at the sporty end. Where firsta and Ibiza are.

proven 208 mechanicals but a bit more upmarket.

ba_barabus

What about the new Yaris?

micks_address

Redderneck wrote: »

Mrs just brought home the new Micra. 0.9 L with an itty bitty turbo. Turns every single one of my preconceptions about Micras and Micra drivers on its head. Great fun to drive. Bear in mind I've been driving a lumpen family bus for the guts of 10 years and there may well be a case of "doesn't get out much" in play here - but I love driving it.

New shape Micra? They do look class. What's the power like in lower gears?

colm_mcm

ba_barabus wrote: »

What about the new Yaris?

It's out 6 years though. Is there a new new one coming or are they doing an Avensis on it

bazz26

They did an Avensis on it, it's basically a makeover of the same car since 2012.

ba_barabus

bazz26 wrote: »

They did an Avensis on it, it's basically a makeover of the same car since 2012.

Ah. Just spotted it was different recently but didn't pay much more attention. In its defence I really like the Hybrid version.

bazz26

The hybrids are good to be fair.

Lantus

Cannon_fodder wrote:

Agree, it was a huge hit when it first came out but has waned in terms of appeal since then, Octavia never waned but the Fabia did.

??? Super popular car and to honest it's really underated.

Cannon_fodder

Lantus wrote: »

??? Super popular car and to honest it's really underated.

Need to consider re-sale, which model would move the fastest if selling, in my view VW Polo (past experience 1 week), Fiesta, Clio, Ibiza, Micra

Lantus

If it's important then yes factor that in.

In terms of resale value some reports showed Toyota, ford and Skoda offered the highest resale values in the mid 60pc. Range after 3 years.

road_high

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The jazz is not a city car. It is in the same class as a ford fiesta/polo.

If anything the Jazz is a tad bigger than normal superminis, certainly inside. Great small car and worth the little extra they cost in my opinion.

Redderneck

micks_address wrote: »

New shape Micra? They do look class. What's the power like in lower gears?

The technical term I'd use for it would be 'grand' - although you do need to flex the right foot a bit.

I took it for a spin from North Tipp to West Clare last weekend, back roads via Tulla on to Ennis and beyond and haven't smiled so much in years. My usual ride is a Santa Fé so you could argue I'd be easily pleased. Brought it back home via motorway and it felt planted, happy & quiet in the driving lane at the limit. Perhaps even a bit beyond. Ahem.

I'm now trying to convince her she should be driving the family bus.

God but I'd forgotten how much fun small cars can be...

EPAndlee

I'd go with the Micra or Fabia. Have drove all of those on the list except the new Micra. My diesel daily has 180bhp and I loved the little 1.2 Fabia. Little hatchbacks are so much fun. The Clios looks have been around since 2013 even though it got a facelift in January it looks pretty much the same but the interior is so dull

Cannon_fodder

First scrappage deals:

Seat Ibiza 1.0 litre (95 PS) - 0% PCP, €1500, 3 yr servicing for €299 = €18,500 -€1,500 = €17,000

Seat Leon 1.2 (110 PS) - 0% PCP, €2,750, 3 yr servicing for €299 =€22,750 -€2,750 = €20,000

Leon is a better car, better alloys with better spec engine for just €3,000 more !!

road_high

bazz26 wrote: »

They did an Avensis on it, it's basically a makeover of the same car since 2012.

Toyota are becoming a bit like the MG Rover of today...rehashing decade old designs and casting them off as "new". Very surprising given the vast resources of this huge corporation.

road_high

Cannon_fodder wrote: »

Agree, it was a huge hit when it first came out but has waned in terms of appeal since then, Octavia never waned but the Fabia did.

The Fabia is an horrendously bland looking car. Seriously, are taking their design cues from a 1980s Lada? Looks like someone with no imagination or sense of style was let loose to design the most generic look imaginable. The few I see out on the roads all are rentals. Shame because the previous models were smart while being nothing too adventurous. This class is full of affordable talent.

bazz26

To be fair, the likes of VW, Ford, Opel, etc are very good at doing the same too. The current Corsa has been around since 2006 with a revamp in 2014. The Mk2 Ford Mondeo was really just a Mk1, the Mk4/5 Fiesta were really a revamped Mk3. VW did the same with the Golf Mk6 being a reworked Mk5, the Passat B7 a reworked B6.

It's harder to get away with it now as technology and the competition is moving so fast. The problem with the Avensis is that it is catch 22 - they don't sell well enough for Toyota to develop an all new model and because there isn't a new model they sales continue to dwindle.

road_high

Toyotas reworking of the Avensis is definitely not a triumph of face lifting. Sure, they did improve the interior actually a lot, but throwing some more plastic and chrome onto the very dated body has done nothing. I actually rather think thr Opel Corsa overhaul was very good in that it looks very smart and fresh despite being a big facelift.

JohnBoy26

road_high wrote: »

Toyota are becoming a bit like the MG Rover of today...rehashing decade old designs and casting them off as "new". Very surprising given the vast resources of this huge corporation.

Ahh they are not that bad. The cars are still modern enough as things haven't moved on all that much in the last decade compared to the 1990's - 2000's where the mg rovers were very outdated. Toyota is also releasing important new models such as the ch-r.

road_high wrote: »

Toyotas reworking of the Avensis is definitely not a triumph of face lifting. Sure, they did improve the interior actually a lot, but throwing some more plastic and chrome onto the very dated body has done nothing. I actually rather think thr Opel Corsa overhaul was very good in that it looks very smart and fresh despite being a big facelift.

I think the avensis is an excellent facelift. It's a much better looking car than what it was and feels it in the interior too.

road_high

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I think the avensis is an excellent facelift. It's a much better looking car than what it was and feels it in the interior too.

I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me it's very bland and anonymous with no style at all.
Their new models are far too few compared to the competition who are keeping things much much fresher. Another reason why so many are deserting to VW, Hyundai/Kia.

JohnBoy26

road_high wrote: »

I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me it's very bland and anonymous with no style at all.
Their new models are far too few compared to the competition who are keeping things much much fresher. Another reason why so many are deserting to VW, Hyundai/Kia.

The avensis looks well in white and blue.

bazz26

If you work for the special branch.

JohnBoy26

bazz26 wrote: »

If you work for the special branch.

The facelift saloon doesn't really look like one though. That's more of an association with i40's these days

bazz26

Avensis, i40, Mondeo....