People leave full time jobs

Will.i.am.not

Hi is it me are more people leaving full time jobs to just do 20 hours a week only
So they can get more benefits .,
Surely the government needs to stop this i some way as these people are not contributing to society i.e. If they get rent allowance etc..
I know two girls that left full time jobs in Aldi ,which pays well but that ment they have to pay for everything i.e. Medical etc..
Is gone crazy in this country people are living in this society that has to give them everything for nothing ..

JigglyMcJabs

Will.i.am.not wrote: »

Hi is it me are more people leaving full time jobs to just do 20 hours a week only
So they can get more benefits .,
Surely the government needs to stop this i some way as these people are not contributing to society i.e. If they get rent allowance etc..
I know two girls that left full time jobs in Aldi ,which pays well but that ment they have to pay for everything i.e. Medical etc..
Is gone crazy in this country people are living in this society that has to give them everything for nothing ..

Yes, it's you.

Victor

It's summer. Lot's of people do short hours, so they can look after their children.

lazeedaisy

I left a full time job, to do 21 hours a week, I did it to improve my work life balance.

I don't get any benefits, don't have a medical card, or any thing else you speak of, I don't claim anything, just get paid and enjoy my hard earned life!

You must get awful tired with all the jumping to conclusions you do,

lazeedaisy

You know you can't just leave a job to sign on .... Right?

Pat Mustard

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Please note the Work and Jobs forum charter, which applies now.

physioman

Will.i.am.not wrote: »

Hi is it me are more people leaving full time jobs to just do 20 hours a week only
So they can get more benefits .,
Surely the government needs to stop this i some way as these people are not contributing to society i.e. If they get rent allowance etc..
I know two girls that left full time jobs in Aldi ,which pays well but that ment they have to pay for everything i.e. Medical etc..
Is gone crazy in this country people are living in this society that has to give them everything for nothing ..

You are right in what your saying but would agree that they just don't leave full time jobs to sign on. People do look at how many hours they are working and work within tax thresholds so they can still have medical card, subsidised creche fees etc. Personally wouldnt like to live that way but people are born into that way of thinking and live like that. Same people give out about having to pay for things but can still afford to go to Lanzarote every summer.

Will.i.am.not

physioman wrote: »

You are right in what your saying but would agree that they just don't leave full time jobs to sign on. People do look at how many hours they are working and work within tax thresholds so they can still have medical card, subsidised creche fees etc. Personally wouldnt like to live that way but people are born into that way of thinking and live like that. Same people give out about having to pay for things but can still afford to go to Lanzarote every summer.

Thank you for a resonable and sensible Answer ..ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

Will.i.am.not

Will.i.am.not wrote: »

Thank you for a resonable and sensible Answer ..ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

In regards to lanzarote it's a cheap ass holiday anyway ..

jenn1984

physioman wrote: »

You are right in what your saying but would agree that they just don't leave full time jobs to sign on. People do look at how many hours they are working and work within tax thresholds so they can still have medical card, subsidised creche fees etc. Personally wouldnt like to live that way but people are born into that way of thinking and live like that. Same people give out about having to pay for things but can still afford to go to Lanzarote every summer.

You can really only get the medical card if you are fully unemployed with no days worked. The income threshold for it is pretty low.

zdragon

Will.i.am.not wrote: »

Hi is it me are more people leaving full time jobs to just do 20 hours a week only
So they can get more benefits .,
Surely the government needs to stop this i some way as these people are not contributing to society i.e. If they get rent allowance etc..
I know two girls that left full time jobs in Aldi ,which pays well but that ment they have to pay for everything i.e. Medical etc..
Is gone crazy in this country people are living in this society that has to give them everything for nothing ..

false assumptions.

20h a week will leave you with more money in the pocket
versus
40h a week and pay for the childcare .


and if parner/husband works. in many cases they will not qualify for any benefits

Will.i.am.not

jenn1984 wrote: »

You can really only get the medical card if you are fully unemployed with no days worked. The income threshold for it is pretty low.

Hi jenn that's not true at all .. working 20 h a week will qualify you for medical card.
There is a income threshold

Will.i.am.not

jenn1984 wrote: »

You can really only get the medical card if you are fully unemployed with no days worked. The income threshold for it is pretty low.

Hi jenn that's not true at all .. working 20 h a week will qualify you for medical card.
There is a income threshold

Conall Cernach

Will.i.am.not wrote: »

Hi jenn that's not true at all .. working 20 h a week will qualify you for medical card.
There is a income threshold

The income limit for a person, under 70, living alone is only €184 per week after tax, USC and PRSI. That's less than Job Seekers Allowance although rent can be offset against it. It has nothing to do with the number of hours worked.

jenn1984

Will.i.am.not wrote: »

Hi jenn that's not true at all .. working 20 h a week will qualify you for medical card.
There is a income threshold

Yes if you did a 20 hour a week on minimum wage you would qualify for the medical card but doing so would prevent you from claiming a social welfare payment as that extra income would put you way over the threshold.

How are they not contributing to society? they are working.

Necro

jenn1984 wrote:

Yes if you did a 20 hour a week on minimum wage you would qualify for the medical card but doing so would prevent you from claiming a social welfare payment as that extra income would put you way over the threshold.

Incorrect. The DSP have a scheme currently known as the Part Time Job Incentive which pays a flat rate of 122.20 per week. The requirements are that you have to work under 23 hours per week.

Also there's FIS (Family Income Supplement). To qualify you have to work a minimum of 38 hours over the space of 2 weeks. This is means tested off set income limits and you get 60% of the difference between your income and the income limits as provided by the DSP.

Also, if your partner is unemployed they should still make an application for JA. Once you provide a payslip they assess your income less PRSI and pension contributions and 20 euro per day up to a maximum of 3 days (so 60) and take 60% of the remainder. This is then deducted from the award amount.
You would have to be clearing maybe 600/650 per week to be over the income limits under this basis.

There are also CE/Tus schemes, FAS courses, etc which allow people to work part time without having their income affected.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

mariaalice wrote: »

How are they not contributing to society? they are working.

According to the OP, the only way to contribute to society is through your taxes. If you don't pay, you don't contribute. Blinkers and all that

Victor

jenn1984 wrote: »

You can really only get the medical card if you are fully unemployed with no days worked. The income threshold for it is pretty low.

It will also depend on your medical expenses.

zdragon wrote: »

false assumptions.

20h a week will leave you with more money in the pocket
versus
40h a week and pay for the childcare .

and if parner/husband works. in many cases they will not qualify for any benefits

Not necessarily, it really depends on the difference in earning between work 20 and 40 hours and how many children are in childcare / how much it costs.

Necrominus wrote: »

FAS courses

While there are other training schemes, FÁS was abolished in 2013.

jenn1984

Necrominus wrote: »

Incorrect. The DSP have a scheme currently known as the Part Time Job Incentive which pays a flat rate of 122.20 per week. The requirements are that you have to work under 23 hours per week.

Also there's FIS (Family Income Supplement). To qualify you have to work a minimum of 38 hours over the space of 2 weeks. This is means tested off set income limits and you get 60% of the difference between your income and the income limits as provided by the DSP.

Also, if your partner is unemployed they should still make an application for JA. Once you provide a payslip they assess your income less PRSI and pension contributions and 20 euro per day up to a maximum of 3 days (so 60) and take 60% of the remainder. This is then deducted from the award amount.
You would have to be clearing maybe 600/650 per week to be over the income limits under this basis.

There are also CE/Tus schemes, FAS courses, etc which allow people to work part time without having their income affected.

Not everyone gets that much when they're working part time - I do a 3 day week and my payment is way under €122. I'm aware of the FIS/Partner stuff but as I am single/no dependents that doesn't apply to me and very few benefits apply to little old me. I wasn't aware we were discussing every avenue available for the medical card - I was just referring to the general threshold for the medical card. I believe that the medical card shouldn't just apply to people on the breadline but people like me who are living week to week.

Necro

jenn1984 wrote:

Not everyone gets that much when they're working part time - I do a 3 day week and my payment is way under €122. I'm aware of the FIS/Partner stuff but as I am single/no dependents that doesn't apply to me and very few benefits apply to little old me. I wasn't aware we were discussing every avenue available for the medical card - I was just referring to the general threshold for the medical card. I believe that the medical card shouldn't just apply to people on the breadline but people like me who are living week to week.

There's a specific scheme with a payment of 122.20 called the Part Time Job Incentive. The only caveat to it is that it doesn't pay an increase for qualified children.

Also, if you're under 26 with no dependants. none of this applies as you'd have the flat rate of 100 and wages deducted from the means test.
I was specifically referring to those who work part time who have dependants.

Necro

Victor wrote:

While there are other training schemes, FÃS was abolished in 2013.

FAS may have been abolished but what has replaced it (VTOS and the likes) are very much the same thing.

Will.i.am.not

mariaalice wrote: »

How are they not contributing to society? they are working.

By not havin to pay tax ..

Will.i.am.not

Willa Famous Plaza wrote: »

According to the OP, the only way to contribute to society is through your taxes. If you don't pay, you don't contribute. Blinkers and all that

Yep this what is wrong with society blinkers and all that this something we like to do in regards to problems in this country we turn our heads away from the problem .. that other European country's don't offer what we offer hence the msssive influx here ,
In regards to paying other ways in society I didn't say that I am taking about taxes yes ,but people do pay in other ways into society by Callling round to yer her house for a cup of tea..lol (sarcasm )
This what our government do a lot,
We're blinkers it never sees the bigger picture .. hospitals Are at breaking point
Houses are none existent
Why Eastern Europeans ,muslims Romanians This why we can't get houses etc
We are borrowing money at an alarming rate .. to fund this broken system .
And please don't reply and say the unmployment rates are down ..
There's a thousands of people on back to work , back to education that's off the live register people don't realise this.

languagenerd

If you voluntarily leave a job or voluntarily reduce your hours, you aren't entitled to JSA or JSB. The Part-Time Incentive mentioned above is only for long-term unemployed, so you can't leave a job and get it. If your 20hrs a week are spread over more than 3 days, you can't get any benefits (it's based on days, not hours, so working 5 half-days - no welfare).

If you've no dependents, working 20hrs would almost always put you over the threshold for medical cards (and even if you do, you'd have to be scraping minimum wage).

So I don't think many people would deliberately go part-time. Is it worth their while to *stay* part time instead of taking more hours if they're already getting benefits? Probably. But you wouldn't get much for going part-time in order to claim welfare.

ash23

It's definitely worth going part time in a lot of cases when you have children, especially if they would be in childcare if you're working full time.

I went to part time. Got FIS, medical card and while it's still a decrease in income, I pay less tax and had no childcare costs.

I didn't go part time for that specifically and only realised I wasn't much worse off after reducing my hours. But I can see where some people would do it for that reason alone.