Timing chain

mossie11

Hi, I have a 2009 VW Passet 1.4 petrol. The VW main dealer has told me the timing belt is noisy on start up and needs to be renewed. There is only 120000km
on the clock.
Is it possible with this low mileage that the timing belt needs changing and how much would it cost?

biko

Not DIY, moved to main forum

jca

Yep it can be noisy needing replacing I'm presuming you mean 120,000 km not 1.2 million. How much did the dealer quote you? Get it done before it skips a tooth on startup and wrecks your engine. George Dalton on here does them regularly and will give you a good price.

Toyotafanboi

2009 Passat uses a chain not a belt, chains are intended to last the lifetime of the engine but the chains in those 1.4 Passats well known to wear prematurely and stretch/ break.

mossie11

jca wrote: »

Yep it can be noisy needing replacing I'm presuming you mean 120,000 km not 1.2 million. How much did the dealer quote you? Get it done before it skips a tooth on startup and wrecks your engine. George Dalton on here does them regularly and will give you a good price.

Oops it is 120,000km. The dealer said at 1200 -1400 euro. don't know what to do as otherwise it has never given any trouble.

mossie11

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

2009 Passat uses a chain not a belt, chains are intended to last the lifetime of the engine but the chains in those 1.4 Passats well known to wear prematurely and stretch/ break.

Oh right I meant to say chain. thank you.

jca

mossie11 wrote: »

Oops it is 120,000km. The dealer said at 1200 -1400 euro. don't know what to do as otherwise it has never given any trouble.

Please don't leave it as your time is getting short and the most dangerous time is your first start of the day. Pm George and he'll give you a price.

mossie11

jca wrote: »

Please don't leave it as your time is getting short and the most dangerous time is your first start of the day. Pm George and he'll give you a price.

Thank you.

Toyotafanboi

jca wrote: »

Pm George and he'll give you a price.

Also feel free to shop around and do not feel obliged into recommendations.

mossie11

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Also feel free to shop around and do not feel obliged into recommendations.

Thank you, of course I will..

jca

One tip while the chain is in that condition, do not leave the car in gear while parked especially uphill. If the engine rotates backwards and then you start it you run a very high possibility of it skipping some teeth and causing lots of damage. Be careful getting quotes make sure genuine parts, or at least good quality parts are being used.

Pkiernan

Get the water pump done as well.

spiggotpaddy

Pkiernan wrote: »

Get the water pump done as well.

It's hardly driven by the chain.

khaldrogo

spiggotpaddy wrote:

It's hardly driven by the chain.

I doubt he was suggesting it was. Its common procedure to replace the WP while doing a TB or a chain.

spiggotpaddy

khaldrogo wrote: »

I doubt he was suggesting it was. Its common procedure to replace the WP while doing a TB or a chain.

I would change the water pump if it's driven by a timing belt, but not with a chain. Common procedure or not, the water pump has nothing to do with the timing chain and can be easily accessed at any time if it needs to be replaced.

colm_mcm

khaldrogo wrote: »

I doubt he was suggesting it was. Its common procedure to replace the WP while doing a TB or a chain.

If it's driven by it and replacing the pump means taking the belt off then yeah. Otherwise I can't see why you would.

Pkiernan

It's basic commonsense to replace a plastic water pump with 80000 miles on it.
If OP is planning on keeping the car (which he sounds like he is) then he'd be smart to get that changed too.

JohnBoy26

Pkiernan wrote: »

It's basic commonsense to replace a plastic water pump with 80000 miles on it.
If OP is planning on keeping the car (which he sounds like he is) then he'd be smart to get that changed too.

The op doesn't need to change it at the same time as the chain if it's not driven by it. Of it's seperate they can change it whenever they want.

The only reason it's changed with the belt is because it works out cheaper labour wise because if the waterpump were to go down the road it's a belt off job again.

Pkiernan

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The op doesn't need to change it at the same time as the chain if it's not driven by it. Of it's seperate they can change it whenever they want.

The only reason it's changed with the belt is because it works out cheaper labour wise because if the waterpump were to go down the road it's a belt off job again.

I know that.

FFS.

acronym Chilli

so maybe the advice is to ask the mechanic what he'd charge to replace pump at same time, and if he can do any deal regarding doing the two now?

jca

On my engine the 122 bhp version, the water pump is outside the timing chain area and is driven by the serpentine belt so wouldn't need replacing if I was doing the chain. It does vary with different bhp versions, a quick look under the bonnet and follow a water hose will tell you where the pump lives.

Stallingrad

OP, this is a well known issue and VW are not beyond goodwill if the car has a good service history, obviously full VWSH helps. I'd go back to the main dealer (maybe another one), make it clear you know of this issue and push hard for goodwill.