Petrol Hybrid vs "normal" diesel

Claude Burgundy

Its time for a change car wise and I was looking at out options.

We've always driven a diesel for our main family car and my wife was all for a hybrid until i told her it would be a petrol, my wife doesn't like petrol :P

So with that in mind, if going for a petrol hybrid would we get roughly the same mileage. The weekly mileage is a daily 20k commute, dropping kids around town for sports and weekend trips of about 200k round trip.

Add to that i like a bit of power in a car and i like an auto box as i drive a DSG.

JJJJNR

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

Its time for a change car wise and I was looking at out options.

We've always driven a diesel for our main family car and my wife was all for a hybrid until i told her it would be a petrol, my wife doesn't like petrol :P

So with that in mind, if going for a petrol hybrid would we get roughly the same mileage. The weekly mileage is a daily 20k commute, dropping kids around town for sports and weekend trips of about 200k round trip.

Add to that i like a bit of power in a car and i like an auto box as i drive a DSG.

Volvo do a good phev in the v60 d5 so you could have the best of both worlds has a range of 30km as do Mitsubishi . The outlander would have a EV range of 30km on a full charge but is petrol so you could lpg it if doing big mileage Two nice vehicles to be fair.

ted1

A normal diesel may have little to no resale in a few yeara as there's a possibility that they'll be banned from many cities

Claude Burgundy

ted1 wrote: »

A normal diesel may have little to no resale in a few yeara as there's a possibility that they'll be banned from many cities

I live in the @rsehole of no where, cities mean nothing to me really:D

I do know what you are saying but I only intend keeping it for about 3 years and Ireland aren't the quickest it implement such unlike London etc

s15r330

ted1 wrote: »

A normal diesel may have little to no resale in a few yeara as there's a possibility that they'll be banned from many cities

Little to no resale is hardly realistic. They shouldn't be used in cities anyway.
People like myself who do a lot of driving will be sticking with diesel for a long time yet.

thierry14

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

Its time for a change car wise and I was looking at out options.

We've always driven a diesel for our main family car and my wife was all for a hybrid until i told her it would be a petrol, my wife doesn't like petrol :P

So with that in mind, if going for a petrol hybrid would we get roughly the same mileage. The weekly mileage is a daily 20k commute, dropping kids around town for sports and weekend trips of about 200k round trip.

Add to that i like a bit of power in a car and i like an auto box as i drive a DSG.

Why dont you buy electric?

Leaf 2 with 150bhp will leave your average 2.0tdi for dead off the line and from a roll too id imagine with its instant torque and now decent bhp

I cant wait to drive one, my Fabia Rs is gettijg old

Anyone who appreciates fast cars will now be looking to electric imo

They are going to insanely quick

Little cars like Bmw i3, Chevy Bolt have Golf Gti turbo petrol pace

Next range up like Tesla model 3 would blow away a comventially quick car like a Golf Gti

flaneur

I've driven both in recent years and the petrol hybrid is a far more pleasant experience.

I hate handling diesel pumps. Gross, sticky, smelly stuff compared to petrol.

And even with the best of design and I know I will get diesel fans attacking me for this but diesel engines always seem noisier at slow speeds in traffic.

I absolutely detest the way start-stop works in non hybrids. I was recently driving an Audi and it would switch off at traffic lights causing the power steering to cut out and you get that jolt of engine kicking in every time.

On modern hybrids you'd hardly know if the engine was on or off most of the time.

I'm also not happy about the potential of releasing unnecessary local pollution if there's a better tech available.

Claude Burgundy

thierry14 wrote: »

Why dont you buy electric?

Leaf 2 with 150bhp will leave your average 2.0tdi for dead off the line and from a roll too id imagine with its instant torque and now decent bhp

I cant wait to drive one, my Fabia Rs is gettijg old

Anyone who appreciates fast cars will now be looking to electric imo

They are going to insanely quick

Little cars like Bmw i3, Chevy Bolt have Golf Gti turbo petrol pace

Next range up like Tesla model 3 would blow away a comventially quick car like a Golf Gti

I'd love the Golf but the price is crazy.

Also too small, as is he leaf, etc.

goz83

If a normal sized sedan is what you want, you could look at the Hyundai Ioniq hybrid.

Hell, why not look at the full EV version? Would cover your commute several times over and has the range to cover your weekend trip.

The new Nissan Leaf will be revealed next month with even more range.

An EV will beat any diesel off the line if you like that low end torque

Claude Burgundy

goz83 wrote: »

If a normal sized sedan is what you want, you could look at the Hyundai Ioniq hybrid.

Hell, why not look at the full EV version? Would cover your commute several times over and has the range to cover your weekend trip.

The new Nissan Leaf will be revealed next month with even more range.

An EV will beat any diesel off the line if you like that low end torque

1. Its ugly as $hite
2. Too small

Sorry i should have said, my preference is for a mid sized suv

billy few mates

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

I'd love the Golf but the price is crazy.

Also too small, as is he leaf, etc.

The Golf prices are crazy, I'd consider something like a Leaf but they really are ugly, they're not too bad from the front but from the back! :eek:
Same with the Prius.

Shefwedfan

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

1. Its ugly as $hite
2. Too small

Sorry i should have said, my preference is for a mid sized suv

Prius+ is biggest Hybrid out there.

When you say 20k do you mean 20km? 20k in my language is 20,000

Hybrid will give you the same MPG in city as you would get in diesel on motorway is the very very rough guide.

If you are not beside a city but doing all short trips then hybrid is what you need.

Why does your wife not like Petrol out of interest?

The issue when looking at family cars is there is no option but diesel. I have gone eGolf on one car and looked at all option to replace SMAX on family car. In end I bought 2.0ltr diesel yesterday. There is nothing else out there. I no more need a diesel than the man on the moon but what can you do. The Prius+ is too small, no electric option and petrol is not available. I would love to have 2 electrics.

I drive auto as well just out of choice and I ended up getting a import as no irish version around.

Claude Burgundy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Prius+ is biggest Hybrid out there.

When you say 20k do you mean 20km? 20k in my language is 20,000

Hybrid will give you the same MPG in city as you would get in diesel on motorway is the very very rough guide.

If you are not beside a city but doing all short trips then hybrid is what you need.

Why does your wife not like Petrol out of interest?

The issue when looking at family cars is there is no option but diesel. I have gone eGolf on one car and looked at all option to replace SMAX on family car. In end I bought 2.0ltr diesel yesterday. There is nothing else out there. I no more need a diesel than the man on the moon but what can you do. The Prius+ is too small, no electric option and petrol is not available. I would love to have 2 electrics.

I drive auto as well just out of choice and I ended up getting a import as no irish version around.

200km round trip.

I agree that the lot of them are ugly.

The KIA Niro looks like a hybrid that would give me the size required.

My wife feels the petrol is too expensive to run, she had a new one in 2006 and only kept it for 12 months

TBi

Toyota rav 4 or a lexus nx if you want a hybrid suv. Diesels are still more fuel efficient but overall running costs can be higher. Easier to sell diesel though, even if it is poisoning our children. Seems saving money is more important to people than their health.

I hate diesel so looking at a petrol or hybrid for next car. Possibly is300h saloon.

macnab

For mid sized SUV's look at Toyota RAV4 Hybrid, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, Kia Niro Hybrid.
Citroen do diesel hybrids, but with your small mileage id avoid diesel as you will probably be more prone to EGR related problems.

Claude Burgundy

The Niro seems like an option as my wife currently drives a Ceed and really likes it and the warranty.

Claude Burgundy

Niro plug in prices won't be available until after their dealer conference in Oct so its a waiting game !

dev100

Claude Burgundy wrote:

So with that in mind, if going for a petrol hybrid would we get roughly the same mileage. The weekly mileage is a daily 20k commute, dropping kids around town for sports and weekend trips of about 200k round trip.

How old is your current diesel ? Reason I ask is I'm hearing from mechanics of certain brands they get people who insist on buying a diesel but either don't do the mileage or dont give the car a good hard drive and the dpf and egr valves get clogged up and they are always back at the garage.

Plus if you are doing short trips petrol or electric is more economical than diesel. I'm slowly turning to idea of electric or hybrid . I'd love to get the golf GTE. The idea of driving 30 or 50km on the battery and anything after that you use the combustion engine sounds good to me having that safety net .

I don't like the look of the leaf or the ioniq . I don't want a car that came out of the jetsons cartoon . I got a spin in an E ioniq and I have to say I liked it though Cost would be a major factor for me I couldn't justify purchasing a new car.

s15r330 wrote:

Little to no resale is hardly realistic. They shouldn't be used in cities anyway. People like myself who do a lot of driving will be sticking with diesel for a long time yet.

All it takes is for the government to raise car taxes on diesel vehicles to pre 2008 it takes the shine off diesels very quickly if you are paying 700 or 800 ish a year for car tax. And then no one wants to buy them Anyone who bought diesels prior to 08 were stung as no one wanted to buy a 2007 golf @ near 700 for tax when you could get a 2008 for 180 Euro or whatever it was.

grogi

ted1 wrote: »

A normal diesel may have little to no resale in a few yeara as there's a possibility that they'll be banned from many cities

Not a chance. Old diesel yes, might be banned, but not the modern Euro6 diesels.

Lantus

Claude Burgundy wrote:

My wife feels the petrol is too expensive to run, she had a new one in 2006 and only kept it for 12 months

Unless your annual mileage is in the 80k upwards range it's unlikely you'd see any significant savings from diesel. You need to do a like for like car cost comparison. Most diesels cost more than the equivalent petrol and often by several thousand. As the difference between a litre of the fuels is 10cent you really need to be trucking to save several thousand in capital costs. I do 70k a year and petrol is cheaper over 3 to 4 years than the equivalent diesel. It's also much nicer to drive.

cros13

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

Niro plug in prices won't be available until after their dealer conference in Oct so its a waiting game !

There is an electric version of the Niro on the way early next year as well. Should be cheaper to buy, cheaper to run and of course have a bit more poke than the plug-in.

Nitrogan

There needs to be more financial incentives and charging points to really make electric vehicles an option for most people I think.

s15r330

dev100 wrote: »

How old is your current diesel ? Reason I ask is I'm hearing from mechanics of certain brands they get people who insist on buying a diesel but either don't do the mileage or dont give the car a good hard drive and the dpf and egr valves get clogged up and they are always back at the garage.

Plus if you are doing short trips petrol or electric is more economical than diesel. I'm slowly turning to idea of electric or hybrid . I'd love to get the golf GTE. The idea of driving 30 or 50km on the battery and anything after that you use the combustion engine sounds good to me having that safety net .

I don't like the look of the leaf or the ioniq . I don't want a car that came out of the jetsons cartoon . I got a spin in an E ioniq and I have to say I liked it though Cost would be a major factor for me I couldn't justify purchasing a new car.




All it takes is for the government to raise car taxes on diesel vehicles to pre 2008 it takes the shine off diesels very quickly if you are paying 700 or 800 ish a year for car tax. And then no one wants to buy them Anyone who bought diesels prior to 08 were stung as no one wanted to buy a 2007 golf @ near 700 for tax when you could get a 2008 for 180 Euro or whatever it was.

Not true at all. If it were you wouldn't see a diesel car on the road pre 08.

Patser

macnab wrote: »

For mid sized SUV's look at Toyota RAV4 Hybrid, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, Kia Niro Hybrid.
Citroen do diesel hybrids, but with your small mileage id avoid diesel as you will probably be more prone to EGR related problems.

Am I allowed mention I've just put my Citroën deusel/hybrid up for sale.... It's to fund an i3....

grogi

Patser wrote: »

Am I allowed mention I've just put my Citroën deusel/hybrid up for sale.... It's to fund an i3....

That didn't last long - 16 months?

Patser

grogi wrote: »

That didn't last long - 16 months?

Got dragged into this forum by it, and brainwashed into EVs good.! Way of thinking.

Also wife now has big sensible car, so I can get 2nd car, mad acceleration i3

Shefwedfan

Patser wrote: »

Am I allowed mention I've just put my Citroën deusel/hybrid up for sale.... It's to fund an i3....

What car is that? not interested in buying just wondering

Patser

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What car is that? not interested in buying just wondering

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ds5-hybrid-4x4-200bhp/16457270

Shefwedfan

Patser wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ds5-hybrid-4x4-200bhp/16457270

Very interesting.

Lovely car, beautiful looking and interior looks lovely.....

So what way does it work? diesel on motorway and electric kicks in when hitting the town?

Patser

Pretty much. Electric engine is in the boot with batteries. 40bhp, a range of about 4km and a top speed of about 50kmh (all dependant on how hard you accelerate, hills etc). So tipping through a town or stuck in a traffic jam and electric takes over (automatically or you can select/force it to). Higher speeds and diesel takes over, charging the battery as you brake or idle along.

Select sports mode and it tells them to work together and give it all they've got.

There's also a 4 wheel drive option more to allow you tip toe out of wet fields - limits the power to wheels to minimise wheel spin.


Pretty standard for a hybrid, only really unusual thing is it's a diesel engine, most hybrids are petrol.

kyote00

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-lexus-gs450h-1-owner/16431458

BoatMad

My wife feels the petrol is too expensive to run, she had a new one in 2006 and only kept it for 12 months

with respect, feelings have nothing to to with , running costs or more correctly the total cost of ownership ( TCO ) , a spreadsheet is that actually needed

most diesel drivers are codding themselves

Claude Burgundy

BoatMad wrote: »

with respect, feelings have nothing to to with , running costs or more correctly the total cost of ownership ( TCO ) , a spreadsheet is that actually needed

most diesel drivers are codding themselves

I'd rather walk than do a spreadsheet :P;)

BoatMad

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

I'd rather walk than do a spreadsheet :P;)

thats fine , but then dont have " feelings " about diesels

Claude Burgundy

BoatMad wrote: »

thats fine , but then dont have " feelings " about diesels

Feelings can make people happy...................i've never heard anyone say, that spreadsheet made me happy.

BoatMad

Claude Burgundy wrote: »

Feelings can make people happy...................i've never heard anyone say, that spreadsheet made me happy.

:cool::cool:

Lantus

Claude Burgundy wrote:

Feelings can make people happy...................i've never heard anyone say, that spreadsheet made me happy.

If you really want to understand the comparative differences between different cars you need consistent and measurable variables to make such a comparison.

So total cost of ownership which includes capital cost, interest, fuel, tax, servicing etc.

Beyond that if course you can search your inner soul to decide if the best colour is beige or Canberra red and if it's in line with your shakra.

If you make total cost decisions nothing but feelings then they have zero value and the point of this thread is also zero?