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99nsr125

homer911 wrote: »

The future of cars is electric - this should be obvious to everyone.

How much lithium is in your car ?
How many cars are in the world ?
I know the answer to these questions but do you

You might notice I mentioned nothing about all the other forms of transport, truck, bus, aeroplane, shipping etc etc

The long term future of automotive transport is a methane/lpg

peposhi

99nsr125 wrote: »

How much lithium is in your car ?
How many cars are in the world ?
I know the answer to these questions but do you

You might notice I mentioned nothing about all the other forms of transport, truck, bus, aeroplane, shipping etc etc

The long term future of automotive transport is a methane/lpg

We shall see.
The batteries are going to evolve greatly, as sooner or later the billions spent on developing ineffective ICEs will be directed to developing EVs.
The future of the cars is sharing. Again, might not live to see it, but it is going to happen as the further the technologies progress the more efficiency will be sought.

cros13

99nsr125 wrote: »

How much lithium is in your car ?

Lithium is about 2% of my pack by weight. The pack is mostly made from nickel, aluminium, graphite, copper and in my particular chemistry a little manganese & cobalt.

Effectively all the materials used in battery production are very common. There is no issue with scaling mining of most of the basic materials to meet global annual vehicle production. Some exceptions exist, spherical graphite faces issues with the required scaling of processing after mining, cobalt has historically been a secondary product of other mining and is supply inelastic as a result.

99nsr125 wrote: »

How many cars are in the world ?

~1 billion - production rate of around ~85-90 million per annum.

99nsr125 wrote: »

I know the answer to these questions but do you

Do you? The issues I see replacing all road vehicles would be around the scale of the manufacturing buildout not (at least in the medium/long term) raw material supply.

Don't get me wrong.... the scale of the build-out is massive but we've reached the tipping point in terms of $/kWh where grid storage alone would carry battery manufacturing to the scale needed to replace all ground transport.

99nsr125 wrote: »

You might notice I mentioned nothing about all the other forms of transport, truck, bus, aeroplane, shipping etc etc

The long term future of automotive transport is a methane/lpg

LPG is dead for all light & passenger transport, purely on the basis of the economics LPG is unable to compete with battery EV. Several major backers behind LGV fueling infrastructure around the world have pulled their investments in favor of EVs.
I still think there's a good case for methane solid oxide fuel cells for range extenders for long distance HGVs but battery prices have declined fast enough that even 1000km range 50 ton HGVs are already feasible.

In regards to aircraft, bombardier and others are already planning all-electric small to medium regional jets. Following on from the eFan program Airbus is developing hybrid electric aircraft in the same class that would be electric only for large parts of the flight.

In terms of shipping, Norway and sweden both have electric Ro-Ro ferries & industrial barges, Samsung heavy industries have some plans around electric container vessels.

In terms of buses the TCO is already in favor of BEV buses, and order books are filling up as a result. Six of the private bus companies in london have BEV bus orders signed in the last month.

There are even battery powered trams available commercially.

BoatMad

99nsr125 wrote: »

How much lithium is in your car ?
How many cars are in the world ?
I know the answer to these questions but do you

You might notice I mentioned nothing about all the other forms of transport, truck, bus, aeroplane, shipping etc etc

The long term future of automotive transport is a methane/lpg

Utter BS.

Firstly your questions presupposes that battery technology will remain Li based

The amount of Li in current batteries is small the major metal is actually Nickel

Li is easyily recovered it's actually not mined but is " extracted " using brine

There is no future in a 100 year old mechanical heap of bolts and fossil fuels

Tesla plan an electric semi tractor next year

The future of land transport is definitely electric

Shefwedfan

99nsr125 wrote: »

How much lithium is in your car ?
How many cars are in the world ?
I know the answer to these questions but do you

You might notice I mentioned nothing about all the other forms of transport, truck, bus, aeroplane, shipping etc etc

The long term future of automotive transport is a methane/lpg

Some articles
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-cars-cheaper-petrol-vehicles-decade-bloomberg-new-energy-finance-a7756731.html

http://interestingengineering.com/henrik-fisker-reveals-his-tesla-rival-that-can-charge-in-just-9-minutes/

The second one is the most interesting in terms of the battery.

There is a company nicknamed the "tesla of the skies" but I can't find that article.