Brazilian girlfriend wants to stay in Ireland

ttab1989

Hi, I have already done some research myself but I'm hoping someone here can maybe shed some light on this.

My Brazillian girlfriend has been in Ireland for one year as an English language student, her Stamp 2 will expire in October. Is there any way she can stay in Ireland legally other than getting the stamp renewed? She can't afford any more college, so she will not be able to get approved for another stamp 2.

I don't have enough money to pay for her college as rent in Dublin is insane, most of my money goes on rent, food, public transport etc...

We are together 6 months but haven't lived together and have no real way to prove we are a couple. Is marriage even an option? If we were to marry would she be entitled to stay here and work here or even just live here while I work?

RacoonQueen

Would you really want to marry her just so she can stay in Ireland? Or do you love her and want to spend the rest of your life together?

copeyhagen

you sound like a person that's about to be suckered out of their life savings. "I cant pay her college", "is marriage an option"

ttab1989

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Would you really want to marry her just so she can stay in Ireland? Or do you love her and want to spend the rest of your life together?

Yes, sorry. My initial post wasn't very romantic sounding, was it!? :-p

We are very much in love :-)

I was just trying to be being succinct in what I was asking.

judeboy101

can she learn syrian between now and oct?

callaway92

ttab1989 wrote: »

Yes, sorry. My initial post wasn't very romantic sounding, was it!? :-p

We are very much in love :-)

I was just trying to be being succinct in what I was asking.

I don't think you're fully grasping the other guys' post. . .

He's afraid you might be getting taken for a ride...negatively

ttab1989

callaway92 wrote: »

I don't think you're fully grasping the other guys' post. . .

He's afraid you might be getting taken for a ride...negatively

She hasn't asked for this, I'm asking before I make any suggestions to her. She may not even want to stay here for all I know, I'm just trying to get some info before I make any suggestions to her.

I appreciate the concern but don't worry, I'm not being taken for a ride.

seamus

ttab1989 wrote: »

If we were to marry would she be entitled to stay here and work here or even just live here while I work?

The short answer is "no". Being the spouse of an Irish national does not automatically grant any right to reside or work in Ireland.

And especially if you were to get married before the expiration of her visa, INIS would look very suspiciously on her application.

Leaving aside your conveniently fast marriage, your spouse would:

- Have no intention of studying
- Have no employment or employment prospects
- Have no means to support herself
- Have no external support; You can't afford to support her

Foreign nationals are rarely granted visas to stay in Ireland just because they want to. On paper she would have no good reason for staying in the country.

Your best course of action right now to ensure that she can in future come to live without issues are to let her go home and plan out how you're going to see eachother and how you're going to save enough money for her to come back and finish her education and/or applying for a working permit.

If you get married there's the highest chance that you'll find yourself financially supporting a spouse who can't work or indeed do anything because she's living here illegally.

ttab1989

seamus wrote: »

The short answer is "no". Being the spouse of an Irish national does not automatically grant any right to reside or work in Ireland.

And especially if you were to get married before the expiration of her visa, INIS would look very suspiciously on her application.

Leaving aside your conveniently fast marriage, your spouse would:

- Have no intention of studying
- Have no employment or employment prospects
- Have no means to support herself
- Have no external support; You can't afford to support her

Foreign nationals are rarely granted visas to stay in Ireland just because they want to. On paper she would have no good reason for staying in the country.

Your best course of action right now to ensure that she can in future come to live without issues are to let her go home and plan out how you're going to see eachother and how you're going to save enough money for her to come back and finish her education and/or applying for a working permit.

If you get married there's the highest chance that you'll find yourself financially supporting a spouse who can't work or indeed do anything because she's living here illegally.

Hi Seamus, thanks!! Very informative!

seamus

Taking a pragmatic approach I would suggest opening a savings account in your name only and setting up a standing order to pay into it regularly. Within a few months you may have enough in it to help pay for her education and/or pay for a trip over to Brazil for yourself.

Or, if it doesn't work out, you have a small nest egg for yourself.

Win-win.

discobeaker

Just tried to send you a private message but your account won't let me as I was in the same situation as yourself

CPTM

seamus wrote:

The short answer is "no". Being the spouse of an Irish national does not automatically grant any right to reside or work in Ireland.

seamus wrote:

And especially if you were to get married before the expiration of her visa, INIS would look very suspiciously on her application.

How long does a couple need to be together before its counted as legitimate? I have a friend in a similar boat. What are the requirements for the guy or girl to be allowed to stay together if they are marrying? In my friend's case, he earns well but she is studying a masters right now, and would ultimately be on a better salary if she was allowed to work here.

Fred Swanson

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mdebets

If you are going down the marriage route and have problems getting a Visa for your wife, you could just move across the border to Northern Ireland. There your wife has the right to join you.

You can look here online

Which family members can join me in the UK?
Any family members can join you if they are also *European Economic Area* (EEA) nationals and they do not need to obtain a *visa* or *entry clearance*.

You can also be joined by family members even if they are not *EEA*nationals:
A family member for these purposes includes:
your spouse or civil partner
children and grandchildren aged under 21 or who are dependent on you
your parents, grandparents, great grandparents or other relatives if you can
show they are dependent on you.

If your family members are non-*EEA* nationals they will need to apply to a British Embassy/High Commission for a family permit (unless they are only coming for a short time). A family permit can be obtained from British embassies or consulates without paying a fee.

The website of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office lists the British embassies abroad with
telephone and fax numbers and email addresses. The website address is www.fco.gov.uk.

After half a year you can then move back to Ireland and the EU rules still apply to you and your wife and she can move with you to Ireland (google the Singh case for more information)

seamus

CPTM wrote: »

How long does a couple need to be together before its counted as legitimate? I have a friend in a similar boat. What are the requirements for the guy or girl to be allowed to stay together if they are marrying? In my friend's case, he earns well but she is studying a masters right now, and would ultimately be on a better salary if she was allowed to work here.

Every application is taken on its merits, it's not a box-ticking exercise. If the INIS officer was happy after interviewing the applicant and their friends and family that it was a passionate whirlwind romance resulting in a bonafide marriage, then that helps.

Being in a legit marriage still doesn't automatically qualify you for residency though.

The main thing taken into consideration are whether the individual has support (i.e. won't be claiming welfare or living on the street) and an enduring reason to be in the country. Simply being married isn't much, but if someone is already studying and living here, is earning money or otherwise has financial support and has social ties in the ways of friends and a marriage, then that makes them a good candidate.

In the OP's case she has no enduring reason to be in the country except a (potential) marriage. She has no job, won't be studying and has no financial support.

angiogoir

No your best bet is for her to go home and save for further education.

Mr. Incognito

You are going out six months.

1. If she cant live here legally then do long distance.

2. She can apply for another college Course.

3. I'd run a mile if she expects you to support her our of love. You are setting yourself up for a lifetime of leeching.

4. You are young. You will learn. Love is grand for a few months or years but doesnt work long term without sensible practical planning and application.

Chimo29

Hi. I am in a similar position but more developed at this stage.
I have been with a Brazilian girl since March 2016. She wa studying here too for 9 months. It was the same situation. Either pay for another course and renew her stamp 2 or go back. We spoke about it and it was best for her to go back and save some money and then come back to ireland a year later. In the meantime I had two nice holidays in Brazil. It was a testing time for us but it was a great way to also test our desire to be together and the genuineness of our relationship.
Basically the rules are that She can renew her stamp 2 twice but no more after that and o not kn the basis that She studies a course recognised by immigration.
One poster said you if you marry now after just 6 months togther, she still can't stay in the country. That's actually not true. If you marry now, she can stay and she can work full time on a stamp 4 visa but she will not be entitled to a passport for a few years. So marrying is an option but you will you through strict legitimacy interviews.
In not case we did as I said and after one year and me being there twice, she came back and did another English course and moved in with me..
There is also a rule that when you live together for more than 2 years, you can apply for a relationship visa which entitles her to unlimited stay and full work allowances which gives us all the time in the world to decide on marriage down the road should we ever wish to.
Unfortunately though we are only living together for one year and she had also used up all her stamp 2 visa allowances in English courses so the only way for her to stay another yea r was to apply for a university degree course which she is starting in a few weeks. It's expensive though. Once October comes around we can apply for the relationship visa. With that we will need plenty of evidence of a realnrelatiinshio. Facebook and WhatsApp is full of that plus my trips to Brazil meeting her family and all the p photos to go that etc. We also have a bill in both our names which was recommended .
Once we have that then we are home free.
It annoys me when people say oh these foreigners come here and get everything. I know exactly that it's quite the opposite. It's damn hard to come here and get anything at all.
So the basic rules are this.
Two stamp 2's are allowed just studying English. After that they need to do a university course to get a third one long term.
Youd need to live togther for 2 years to qualify for relationship visa and have plenty of evidence to show for it.
Yes marriage is an option which would give her full work and living rights here but expect a stringent interview for both of you separately to see if it's genuine or not. But it does give her automatic rights to be here and work full time providing you stay together for a certain amount of years or until she is entitled to a passport which is either 3 or 5 years later.

Fake News

I had a similar experience with a Brazilian girl a couple of years ago. I noticed that marriage is the most convenient way for THEM to stay and offers no return to you if things fall apart. I would stay away from marriages of convenience unless of course it was with an American or Australian where you might actually get something out of it.

C3PO

In the course of my work I have met quite a number of Brazilians (male and female) who are studying and working part-time in Ireland (usually in fairly basic jobs admittedly). I have no idea what sort of visa they have but there is definitely a way of doing this!