Work charging & BIK

Orebro

Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether Revenue want BIK enforced on work charging or whether it is considered an incidental thing like free tea and coffee in the canteen?

I've spoken to friends in two private companies and one public sector organisation and none of them have a BIK arrangement for the use of the chargers.

cros13

Orebro wrote: »

Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether Revenue want BIK enforced on work charging or whether it is considered an incidental thing like free tea and coffee in the canteen?

I've spoken to friends in two private companies and one public sector organisation and none of them have a BIK arrangement for the use of the chargers.

They are still giving different answers to different people, despite media reports.

Orebro

The Irish Times article has put awful doubt into it alright. If they only went and did some proper journalism and researched it themselves instead or taking the word of someone who might potentially benefit from it.

Gumbo

Orebro wrote: »

Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether Revenue want BIK enforced on work charging or whether it is considered an incidental thing like free tea and coffee in the canteen?

I've spoken to friends in two private companies and one public sector organisation and none of them have a BIK arrangement for the use of the chargers.

I'm in a large public sector organization in dublin.
We have about 3 chargers for staff use. And only 3 of us have EV's. Me with a Leaf, BMW 330e and a Mits Outlander PHEV.

No charge to us at present and I'm not sure if it will change.
But, we don't get free tea or coffee or even milk for that matter. We have to pay for our tea and our tea stations in the offic floors are stocked by ourselves.

KCross

Orebro wrote: »

Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether Revenue want BIK enforced on work charging or whether it is considered an incidental thing like free tea and coffee in the canteen?

I've spoken to friends in two private companies and one public sector organisation and none of them have a BIK arrangement for the use of the chargers.

A few threads on that already
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057764116

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103680576. (post 17)

Summary.... there is BIK but they don't chase it.

There is also the point that while public charging is free it could be argued there is no financial benefit being provided. When charging for charging comes in then there would be.... so my company said anyway.

Orebro

Let's say there is BIK - how much would it cost if say you were using €1.50 worth of electricity every day? Would you be liable for the entire amount in tax?

It seems to be as clear as mud anyway! Does anyone on here pay BIK for work charging?

KCross

Orebro wrote: »

Let's say there is BIK - how much would it cost if say you were using €1.50 worth of electricity every day? Would you be liable for the entire amount in tax?

The value is simply taxed as if it was given to you in your wages. So, if they gave you a €1.50 pay increase how much would you get in your pocket, so it depends on whether you are on the high rate or not.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/employing-people/benefit-in-kind-for-employers/taxation-of-benefit-in-kind/applying-tax-to-benefits.aspx

n97 mini

kceire wrote: »

I'm in a large public sector organization in dublin.
We have about 3 chargers for staff use. And only 3 of us have EV's. Me with a Leaf, BMW 330e and a Mits Outlander PHEV.

No charge to us at present and I'm not sure if it will change.
But, we don't get free tea or coffee or even milk for that matter. We have to pay for our tea and our tea stations in the offic floors are stocked by ourselves.

When I worked in the PS we got coffee machines installed, but it cost us 50c for a cup. The reasoning was the taxpayer is paying our wages and shouldn't be buying us coffee too. There is logic to that.

The same *should* apply to other things but as long as the Revenue moves at snail's pace nothing will change.

The taxpayer isn't paying for my work charging.

When I have an EV with enough range to get me up and back I will simply just charge at home if they ever bring in BIK and I expect revenue will realise that the majority of people will do the same so it would be pointless to try to charge BIK.

And a lot of chargers have no facility to monitor usage and if employers had to go to that expense then I'd say they'd rather just rip out the chargers altogether.

pwurple

Orebro wrote: »

Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether Revenue want BIK enforced on work charging or whether it is considered an incidental thing like free tea and coffee in the canteen?

I've spoken to friends in two private companies and one public sector organisation and none of them have a BIK arrangement for the use of the chargers.

The value is far too low to make any sense to monitor it. You might as well charge BIK on the water used to flush the toilet and wash my hands.

I have charged at a few workplaces over the years. 90% of the places I've worked have EV chargers in the car parks. I have never yet seen one with any kind of payment scheme.

Dell in Cork is the only one I've seen with a whitelist on the charger unit. You have to swipe to start the charger. But they are flooded with EV's in there, as their quarterly employee car giveaway was a Nissan Leaf for a while.

unkel

pwurple wrote: »

The value is far too low to make any sense to monitor it.

That's it. It's not material. End of story. Unless the value of work charging would dramatically increase at some point in the fairly distant future, you don't need to pay BIK on it.

Soarer

What if I bring in my granny cable and charge from a normal socket, like my phone?

unkel

Same thing. The benefit (a couple of euro a day) is not material, so revenue will not seek you to pay taxes on it.

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Same thing. The benefit (a couple of euro a day) is not material, so revenue will not seek you to pay taxes on it.

The actual issue isn't that .bik reporting is now a company issue and this is what's concerning companies.

The task force indicated they are seeking clarification in this forthcoming budget