How much would Roy Keane cost in todays market?

applehunter

In this transfer market where Gylfi Sigurdsson is moving to Everton for £45m, how much are clubs paying for Roy Keane after just being relegated with Forrest?

Arghus

At least 3.75 million.

shamrock55

A fiver??

Subcomandante Marcos

applehunter wrote: »

In this transfer market where Gylfi Sigurdsson is moving to Everton for £45m, how much are clubs paying for Roy Keane after just being relegated with Forrest?

Well, it depends on which Roy Keane

The Box-to-box midfield Dynamo that moved from Forest to United for a British transfer record? I'd say upwards of £80-100million.

He was a complete midfielder who even bagged a few goals.

The version of the later 90s and early 2000s after the knee surgeries where he was happier to sit deep, break up play and lay it off to the more mobile/creative players? Probably half that or a little more. His later years he was a better version of the likes of Matic.

super_furry

Would Roy Keane be able to impose himself on games in the same way given the way that refereeing and interpretation of the rules are now?

If he could adapt his game to the current refereeing standards, he'd probably be a £75m to £85m player in he was in his prime and had no history of injuries. Players like him don't attract the big, big fees that the Balon D'or players do and in the current climate there's even less of an appetite to spend big, big money on defensive midfielders. Look at what the likes of Kante and Matic went for.

Subcomandante Marcos

To appreciate how Keane was you have to remember this is a kid who went from his first senior season of football with Cobh Ramblers to playing 35 league games and scoring 8 goals in his first season with Forest.

He was such an exceptional talent.

Kylo Ren

I'm not great at maths but I'd have to guess around a bajillion.

Nalz

In his prime, guestimate using this mad market today, I'd say around 125million sterling

bucketybuck

Roy Keane to Manchester United aged 22 was a new British transfer record.

Pogba is the current record, at around 90 million. There is your baseline, if you are talking about young Keane.

If you are talking late 90's/early 2000's Keane who was dominating all around him at both club and international level then 90 million won't come within a country mile of getting a deal done.

Wexfordboy89

About three fiddy

WoollyRedHat

I say, it's like Keanesian econmics.

Andersonisgod

What era Roy Keane? How many years are left on his contract? What are his wage demands? What's the budgets of the team buying and the team selling? What is the situation with performance-related bonuses in his contract? Ect.

Strangely vague question. Though the sentiment that the amount of money being paid for Siggy is ludicrous is shared by myself.

Liam O

Moving from a team who just got relegated to the Championship I'd say given his age and profile he'd be gotten for 30-40m. If he was at an Everton or Spurs you're looking at 90 odd.

KungPao

Whatever an Arturo Vidal costs.

flas

Eleventybillion

Arghus

Andersonisgod wrote: »

What era Roy Keane? How many years are left on his contract? What are his wage demands? What's the budgets of the team buying and the team selling? What is the situation with performance-related bonuses in his contract? Ect.

Strangely vague question. Though the sentiment that the amount of money being paid for Siggy is ludicrous is shared by myself.

It's not that vague a question really. The OP did say a Keane freshly relegated with Forrest - pretty specific, if you ask me.

So for the purpose of this hypothetical, he'd be twenty two, early era all action Keane. Moving from a relegated club, presumably in a bad financial position, to new champions flush with cash. I still stand by my initial assessment of at least 3.75 million pounds.

Agreed, that the amount being paid for Sigurdsson is ludicrous: sure everyone knows he's worth more than Kyle Walker!

applehunter

Andersonisgod is on my blocked list? :pac:

Only get to see his scribbles in "replies"

What a langball.

~Rebel~

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

Kante was last seasons player of the year...

Keita had bids of around 70m knocked back.

They're better examples of a Keane equivalent.

Keita's a decent reference actually, new on the scene, 22, all action dynamic midfielder with a bit of bite in the tackle.

AllGunsBlazing

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Well, it depends on which Roy Keane

The Box-to-box midfield Dynamo that moved from Forest to United for a British transfer record? I'd say upwards of £80-100million.

He was a complete midfielder who even bagged a few goals.

The version of the later 90s and early 2000s after the knee surgeries where he was happier to sit deep, break up play and lay it off to the more mobile/creative players? Probably half that or a little more. His later years he was a better version of the likes of Matic.

I thought him a more rounded midfielder in the later 90's. The lad that came from Forest had a tendency to gallop forward without a thought to the barndoor left wide open behind him. It wasn't until he tempered his desire to get forward that United started threaten in the ECL. His performance against Juventus in Turin was incredible.

Giggsy11

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Well, it depends on which Roy Keane

The Box-to-box midfield Dynamo that moved from Forest to United for a British transfer record? I'd say upwards of £80-100million.

He was a complete midfielder who even bagged a few goals.

The version of the later 90s and early 2000s after the knee surgeries where he was happier to sit deep, break up play and lay it off to the more mobile/creative players? Probably half that or a little more. His later years he was a better version of the likes of Matic.

Late 90s to early 00s was his beast mode. He was exceptional.

Giggsy11

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

Keane wasn't a holding midfielder. He was proper box to box player. He was holding mid only when he couldn't run anymore and young players like Fletcher did his running.

Comparing ****ing Barry, Whelan, Fletcher to Keane? lol.

Giggsy11

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Keane wasn't a holding midfielder. He was proper box to box player. He was holding mid only when he couldn't run anymore and young players like Fletcher did his running.

Comparing ****ing Barry, Whelan, Fletcher to Keane? lol.

Roy only scored 50+ goals for Man Utd....surely he was just a holding midfielder.......:pac:

Bounty Hunter

At his peak Keane would have been in world XIs and any player that good at the moment in midfield or up front would cost north of 100m. I'm a fan of Lukaku for example but wouldn't have him near a world XI and we saw how much he cost. If you could clone peak Keane all of the top four would want him no matter the price imo.


Don't think I've ever been as much of a fan of a player who didn't play for the club I followed as I was with Keane, the guy was relentless and made everyone around him's jobs easier and them better as a result. It's rare a non prolific goalscorer gets held in as much esteem as Keane or considered as much of a gamechanger as he was.

Beefy78

I'm neither Irish nor a United fan and Keane was first name on my 'Premier League all-time XI' I did earlier today on the BBC website (aside - where the hell was Matt Le Tissier on the list of options for that??).

I'd say £3.75m then is about £60m in new money. Looks about right. Keane before his injuries was rarely not the most important player on any pitch he found himself on.

Mocha Joe

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

Lol at this revisionism. I find people that think this also think scholes was always the deep lying midfielder who controlled the tempo of games with great range of passing. Keane did that job for the bulk of their time together. Scholes adapted to that role in his mid 30s.

I think these days leaving forest it would have been around 60 million. For the next few years, he was invaluable. Not a hope of him being sold.

eagle eye

When Forest got relegated he was already being touted as one of the best midfielders in the league and he was much younger than anybody else in that bracket.
He would cost around the 100 million pounds mark because the two clubs fighting for his signature were the two clubs with the most money.

LuckyLloyd

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

I like that you commented on Roy Keane without obviously watching a single game he played in between 1998 - 2002. Cool.

PhilipsR

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

This post is entirely based on Championship/Football Manager. In Roy Keane's own words, 'absolute nonsense'.

CSF

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

How old are you out of interest? I get that people have different opinions and all but its hard to think that you could have watched him in his prime and saw him as that kind of limited player.

adox

I honestly think that there are plenty of football fans who think that if a player isnt silky skilful etc that they can't be a great player.

Considering he left Forest for a then British transfer record £100 million seems totally reasonable and if at the time you knew for certain the player he would become, a fee similar to Neymar wouldn't be unwarranted.

FatherTed

When he was renewing his contract with United, it was sometime from 98-00 he was at his peak and the likes of Bayern and Inter were after him. Probably top 3 CM at that time with Vieira and Davids.

Oranage2

I think the game has moved on from the big bully dominating type midfielders, also Keane had a huge discipline problem, and was a bit too mouthy for a modern professional dressing room.

Probably similar to the matic price tag plus the home grown tax 50-60 million.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think the game has moved on from the big bully dominating type midfielders, also Keane had a huge discipline problem, and was a bit too mouthy for a modern professional dressing room.

Probably similar to the matic price tag plus the home grown tax 50-60 million.

If anything the lack of big bully dominating type midfield players would make Keane an even rarer talent and make him more valuable today and he was a much better footballer and much more intelligent than some people give him credit for , it wasn't all brawn over brain for him he was regularly at the top of the pass completion charts and in a game obsessed with possession these days he'd fit right in with that.

If Pogba went for close to 100 million which was a british transfer record then Keane would be worth even more as he also went for a british transfer record.

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think the game has moved on from the big bully dominating type midfielders, also Keane had a huge discipline problem, and was a bit too mouthy for a modern professional dressing room.

Probably similar to the matic price tag plus the home grown tax 50-60 million.

lol.

Oranage2

If the mad money was going around the Keane era of the late 90s, then yes 100-120 million. Keane was probably the best midfielder in the world at the time.

Keane after Forest, 50-60m.

Him and pogba were different players, with different skill and were at different club circumstances.

Keane before united was a very highly rated youngster, pogba was an already established world talent.

Also the British record meant little back then as football was getting a huge influx of money and the record was broken many times that season and next.

A Roy Keane of the late 90s in modern football cost ? I'm really not sure, players are fitter and stronger now so Keane's fitness and aggression wouldn't be as big as an advantage now as it was 20 years ago and add that to stricter refereeing also.

Keane in the late 90s was very outspoken and nowadays modern football clubs wouldn't put up with this.

World class player in his era, but I think modern football has evolved past Keane type players.

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

If the mad money was going around the Keane era of the late 90s, then yes 100-120 million. Keane was probably the best midfielder in the world at the time.

Keane after Forest, 50-60m.

Him and pogba were different players, with different skill and were at different club circumstances.

Keane before united was a very highly rated youngster, pogba was an already established world talent.

Also the British record meant little back then as football was getting a huge influx of money and the record was broken many times that season and next.

A Roy Keane of the late 90s in modern football cost ? I'm really not sure, players are fitter and stronger now so Keane's fitness and aggression wouldn't be as big as an advantage now as it was 20 years ago and add that to stricter refereeing also.

Keane in the late 90s was very outspoken and nowadays modern football clubs wouldn't put up with this.

World class player in his era, but I think modern football has evolved past Keane type players.

What do you even think is "Keane Type" players?

Oranage2

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

If the mad money was going around the Keane era of the late 90s, then yes 100-120 million. Keane was probably the best midfielder in the world at the time.

Keane after Forest, 50-60m.

Him and pogba were different players, with different skill and were at different club circumstances.

Keane before united was a very highly rated youngster, pogba was an already established world talent.

Also the British record meant little back then as football was getting a huge influx of money and the record was broken many times that season and next.

A Roy Keane of the late 90s in modern football cost ? I'm really not sure, players are fitter and stronger now so Keane's fitness and aggression wouldn't be as big as an advantage now as it was 20 years ago and add that to stricter refereeing also.

Keane in the late 90s was very outspoken and nowadays modern football clubs wouldn't put up with this.

World class player in his era, but I think modern football has evolved past Keane type players.

What do you even think is "Keane Type" players?

Box to box who dominated games with desire, aggression and work rate. Yes could pass a ball very well but he was certainly not a world class passer of the ball. Later years he had could still dominate games with positioning and by controlling the tempo of games.

His biggest attributes were his leadership, aggression and his desire to win games.

Nowadays his leadership methods and aggresion wouldn't be tolerated, his style of play is dated as world class passers and explosive players dominate midfield now.


You seem to be very critical of other peoples opinions without giving your own opinion of his estimated cost.

I'd be very surprised if most people didn't agree with my evaluation.

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

Box to box who dominated games with desire, aggression and work rate. Yes could pass a ball very well but he was certainly not a world class passer of the ball. Later years he had could still dominate games with positioning and by controlling the tempo of games.

His biggest attributes were his leadership, aggression and his desire to win games.

Nowadays his leadership methods and aggresion wouldn't be tolerated, his style of play is dated as world class passers and explosive players dominate midfield now.


You seem to be very critical of other peoples opinions without giving your own opinion of his estimated cost.

I'd be very surprised if most people didn't agree with my evaluation.

You are very wrong if you think his biggest asset/attributes were his aggression or desire to win. Yes those were in abundance but more than that he was very good footballer. I don't even understand why people think Roy Keane as some sort of defensive midfielder whose best attribute was aggression or tackling, he was superb passer of the ball, not hollywood passes like Scholes or Beckham but short passing between the lines.

Some of this teammates rate him as the best passer of the ball they played with and we are talking about the club which dominated PL like no other team did.

Darren Fletcher described Keane's game perfectly.

Roy Keane was one of the best passers of the ball I’ve ever seen. In terms of his touch and the pace in which he’d pass the ball forward and always pass it forward and broke the lines of the opposition quickly. He was the best at that. At breaking the opposition’s line and getting attacking players on to a transition.

His touch was immaculate, he had the best first touch. All these things were so underrated in his game.

Everyone looked at him as this ferocious competitor and box-to-box runner and tackler. That wasn’t false, but, with the ball, he had one of the best first touches and the best pass forward into the attacking half to break the lines of the opposition that I’ve ever seen.

Then you’ve got Paul Scholes who maybe got recognised even more for his controlling the game abilities when Roy moved on. Because Roy controlled the midfield, Scholesy was then the one who got forward and got goals and used his technique higher up the pitch.

Rooney:

“Roy Keane’s passing was probably the best I’ve played with, in terms if getting it in to the forwards’s feet”

Phil Neville:

I learned so much from him, and as a player, I don't think people realise how good he was. People say he was tough, he was aggressive.. He was a brilliant passer of a ball. He used to always say, 'If you're ever in trouble, even if I've got men around me, just give me the ball and I'll get you out of trouble.'

Gary Neville in his book said how Keane used to go at player if they pass the ball and player had to break the stride to receive it, or any player taking extra touch to pass the ball. Keane was master at it.

It's a pity people don't remember how good a footballer Keane was and think he is some thug running around the pitch.

LuckyLloyd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8CO72DjdB0

As much as this video is distasteful to me due to all of the Utd goals, it should put to bed questions about his quality.

Oranage2

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

Box to box who dominated games with desire, aggression and work rate. Yes could pass a ball very well but he was certainly not a world class passer of the ball. Later years he had could still dominate games with positioning and by controlling the tempo of games.

His biggest attributes were his leadership, aggression and his desire to win games.

Nowadays his leadership methods and aggresion wouldn't be tolerated, his style of play is dated as world class passers and explosive players dominate midfield now.


You seem to be very critical of other peoples opinions without giving your own opinion of his estimated cost.

I'd be very surprised if most people didn't agree with my evaluation.

You are very wrong if you think his biggest asset/attributes were his aggression or desire to win. Yes those were in abundance but more than that he was very good footballer. I don't even understand why people think Roy Keane as some sort of defensive midfielder whose best attribute was aggression or tackling, he was superb passer of the ball, not hollywood passes like Scholes or Beckham but short passing between the lines.

Some of this teammates rate him as the best passer of the ball they played with and we are talking about the club which dominated PL like no other team did.

Darren Fletcher described Keane's game perfectly.

Roy Keane was one of the best passers of the ball I’ve ever seen. In terms of his touch and the pace in which he’d pass the ball forward and always pass it forward and broke the lines of the opposition quickly. He was the best at that. At breaking the opposition’s line and getting attacking players on to a transition.

His touch was immaculate, he had the best first touch. All these things were so underrated in his game.

Everyone looked at him as this ferocious competitor and box-to-box runner and tackler. That wasn’t false, but, with the ball, he had one of the best first touches and the best pass forward into the attacking half to break the lines of the opposition that I’ve ever seen.

Then you’ve got Paul Scholes who maybe got recognised even more for his controlling the game abilities when Roy moved on. Because Roy controlled the midfield, Scholesy was then the one who got forward and got goals and used his technique higher up the pitch.

Rooney:

“Roy Keane’s passing was probably the best I’ve played with, in terms if getting it in to the forwards’s feet”

Phil Neville:

I learned so much from him, and as a player, I don't think people realise how good he was. People say he was tough, he was aggressive.. He was a brilliant passer of a ball. He used to always say, 'If you're ever in trouble, even if I've got men around me, just give me the ball and I'll get you out of trouble.'

Gary Neville in his book said how Keane used to go at player if they pass the ball and player had to break the stride to receive it, or any player taking extra touch to pass the ball. Keane was master at it.

It's a pity people don't remember how good a footballer Keane was and think he is some thug running around the pitch.

Throw away quotes from 2/3 average at best footballers and still no price tag.

Leon Britton can pass a ball very well, that doesn't make a 100millon pound player.

Every knows he was a great footballer, but what made him special at that time was that he was monster on the pitch, and these attributes are dated in modern football.

Take off the rose tinted glasses from under your Manchester united bedsheets in your parents home and see that Keane type players are far and few between nowadays!

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

Throw away quotes from 2/3 average at best footballers and still no price tag.

Leon Britton can pass a ball very well, that doesn't make a 100millon pound player.

Every knows he was a great footballer, but what made him special at that time was that he was monster on the pitch, and these attributes are dated in modern football.

Take off the rose tinted glasses from under your Manchester united bedsheets in your parents home and see that Keane type players are far and few between nowadays!

lol, shows your knowledge. Good day.

Re bold part, how old are you? Are you old enough to have sex or that's only dedicated to your right hand?

Oranage2

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

Throw away quotes from 2/3 average at best footballers and still no price tag.

Leon Britton can pass a ball very well, that doesn't make a 100millon pound player.

Every knows he was a great footballer, but what made him special at that time was that he was monster on the pitch, and these attributes are dated in modern football.

Take off the rose tinted glasses from under your Manchester united bedsheets in your parents home and see that Keane type players are far and few between nowadays!

lol, shows your knowledge. Good day.

Re bold part, how old are you? Are you old enough to have sex or that's only dedicated to your right hand?

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

Throw away quotes from 2/3 average at best footballers and still no price tag.

Leon Britton can pass a ball very well, that doesn't make a 100millon pound player.

Every knows he was a great footballer, but what made him special at that time was that he was monster on the pitch, and these attributes are dated in modern football.

Take off the rose tinted glasses from under your Manchester united bedsheets in your parents home and see that Keane type players are far and few between nowadays!

lol, shows your knowledge. Good day.

Re bold part, how old are you? Are you old enough to have sex or that's only dedicated to your right hand?

I'm 30 years old, left handed and I have a girlfriend.

What I'd like to hear is how much do you think Roy is worth after Forest or at any stage of his career and not 'lol' at other people's opinions.

Giggsy11

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm 30 years old, left handed and I have a girlfriend.

What I'd like to hear is how much do you think Roy is worth after Forest or at any stage of his career and not 'lol' at other people's opinions.

I don't know or care how much Keane would be worth after Forest, I didn't even refute or reply to that part of posts. I was replying to posts about what type of player Keane was or what were his strengths.

Tom.D.BJJ

Oranage2 wrote: »

what made him special at that time was that he was monster on the pitch, and these attributes are dated in modern football.

Is it though?

Trigger

I think it was giggs when talking about Keanes passing that he knew that when Keane played the ball through the lines that he would never have to break stride as he knew that the ball would be perfectly weighted.

Keane was unbelievable.

I do think it would be similar fee to Pogba, both are young players that are/were expected to be the heart of a team for a decade.

irelandrover

astradave wrote: »

I think it was giggs when talking about Keanes passing that he knew that when Keane played the ball through the lines that he would never have to break stride as he knew that the ball would be perfectly weighted.

Keane was unbelievable.

I do think it would be similar fee to Pogba, both are young players that are/were expected to be the heart of a team for a decade.

I'd have said about 40 - 50 million. He was leaving a relegated team, wasnt proven against the top players in the Champions league and wouldnt have counted as home grown which also adds onto the price.

We all know how great a player he turned out to be but he wasnt even guaranteed to start for United with Ince and Robson already forming a great partnership.

yabadabado

sugarman wrote: »

Not much I'd imagine, game has changed an awful lot since his time and there isn't a huge demand for holding midfielders in his mold as there once was.

He'd be your modern day Fletcher, Barry, Whelan etc.. in a Pulis managed team grinding out results through hard work over skills.

Hahaha
You obviously never saw the Keane who played with Forest or his first few seasons at United.

That Keane would walk into any current team without a doubt.

bucketybuck

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Is it though?

It isn't, not at all, and it was a ridiculously stupid comment to make even if people did think that all Keane had was aggression, which is also a stupid thing to believe.

That there are very few players like Keane around today does not mean that clubs do not want players like Keane. Just the opposite in fact, all of the top clubs are desperately lacking players of that mold and would kill to have him available.

yabadabado

irelandrover wrote: »

We all know how great a player he turned out to be but he wasnt even guaranteed to start for United with Ince and Robson already forming a great partnership.

Keane walked straight into the team,he didn't miss a game until November.

irelandrover

yabadabado wrote: »

Keane walked straight into the team,he didn't miss a game until November.

Robson was injured at the start of the season.