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  • 08-08-2017 6:14am
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    smurfjed
    Registered Users Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭


    AS REGARDS TO THE GREEK NOTAM A2086/15 WHICH GIVES REFERENCE TO THE FIR LIMIT BY GIVING GEOGRAPHICAL COORDINATES. WE WOULD LIKE TO REFER ONCE AGAIN TO THE TURKISH AIP ENR 2.1-1 WHICH STATES THAT THE PORTION OF ISTANBUL FIR LIMIT BETWEEN THE POINT 360456N-0295958E AND THE POINT COINCIDING WITH THE BEGINNING POINT OF THE TURKISH-GREEK LAND BORDER DOES NOT REFLECT OR IMPLY IN ANY WAY ANY EXPRESSION OF OPINION WHATSOEVER REGARDING THE DELIMITATION OF ANY KIND OF BOUNDARY AMONG THE PARTIES CONCERNED OR A BILATERALLY AGREED PRACTICE. THE SAID LINE IS PURELY THEORETICAL AND SOLELY SERVES ATS PURPOSES. THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION, INCLUDING COPS PRESENTED IN REFERENCE TO THIS PART OF THE FIR IS FICTITIOUS AND THER SOLE PURPOSE IS LIMITED TO ATS REQUIREMENTS.)
    Am I supposed to be a pilot or a lawyer...... these NOTAMS are crazy and there are about 5 pages of this regional boundary garbage!


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    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    And even more frustrating is that some of this sort of garbage finds its way into the latest version of the ATPL exams, as memory items. When it first came up, (the first collection of the type related to ops out of Malta into the Eastern Med area, related to the Israeli FIR) the comment here from people with experience was that if it was relevant, it should be part of the pre flight briefing for ops in the area concerned, and to expect all ATPL holders throughout the EASA area to know this sort of lawyer speak was a complete nonsense. Clearly nothing has changed.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    deaddonkey15
    Registered Users Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Am I supposed to be a pilot or a lawyer...... these NOTAMS are crazy and there are about 5 pages of this regional boundary garbage!

    Interesting article here about the politics of NOTAMS.

    https://medium.com/@markzee/mh17-a-darker-truth-21dc21879fa7


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