My 7k options.. which car though?

steirishrover

Hi all.. just need some tips or advice

I have a 7000 euro budget and I need a diesel car to suit this budget. I do about 250km a week and alot of that would be short trips no more than 4 mile journey 90% of the time. I'm not really worried about fuel saving etc.

My choices I've seen online for around my budget is

2012 Kia Soul 1.6 diesel.. 22000 miles
€7700

2012 Nissan Juke 1.5 diesel..122000kms
€7300

2013 Dacia Duster 1.5 diesel.110000 miles €7500

2013 Peugeot 2008 1.4 diesel.. 40000km
€7700

2012 Kia Ceed sport 1.6 diesel.. 100000 mile €7500

2012 Opel Astra 2.0 diesel.. 70000 miles
€7500


So basically I'm just asking anyone who has experience of most of these cars.. I have had my big share of bad luck with my cars especially my last 09 insignia.. all of the above are dealers except for the juke and the 2008..

Any help be great.. cheers

Cocobongo

To start, i'd say have a very good think if it's diesel car you need.

Diesels are made for longer trips and to make more km's in a year in general, it's not very healthy for a diesel car to do such short trips for the engine not even to warm up Properly

Second you need to really look in the maintenance costs for the "worst case scenarios" for those cars. You never know really, e.g. My dad drivers 09 insignia for the past 4 years with no extra investment, except for oil change, etc.. all the basics, so sometimes even the mechanic won't be able to tell you if the car will break down soon or drive perfectly fine fir a few years...

colm_mcm

Those prices seem awfully cheap. Where are you getting a 2013 Duster for €7500 for example?

Senna

I think you had bad luck because you are buying diesels and then doing really short trips, that kills a mordern diesel and will leave you with big repair bills.
Go for a petrol, asking for trouble with a diesel.

bazz26

OP, your post is very confusing.

You say you only do 250km per week,
You say you also do a lot of short trips,
You also say you need a diesel,
And you say you are not worried about fuel savings.

Why do you think you need a diesel again?

steirishrover

colm_mcm wrote: »

Those prices seem awfully cheap. Where are you getting a 2013 Duster for €7500 for example?

It's on carzone for 8000 in baileys garage but I called yesterday and told me he could go 7500 on it

steirishrover

bazz26 wrote: »

OP, your post is very confusing.

You say you only do 250km per week,
You say you also do a lot of short trips,
You also say you need a diesel,
And you say you are not worried about fuel savings.

Why do you think you need a diesel again?

I need a diesel because I get the diesel for nearly free with the company I work for.. it's a long story won't get into it

Cocobongo

steirishrover wrote: »

I need a diesel because I get the diesel for nearly free with the company I work for.. it's a long story won't get into it

But that said again, diesel is not a suitable car for the short trips. If you get a small petrol engine, with e.g. 5-6ltr consumption you'd only be paying around 15eur per week or per 200km..

Senna

steirishrover wrote: »

I need a diesel because I get the diesel for nearly free with the company I work for.. it's a long story won't get into it

Then you are going to continue to have "bad luck" with cars. It's a false economy, the cheap diesel may save you money each week, but all that money will then get eaten up with repairs, meaning you'll probably lose money in the end, not to mention the hassle of having to leave your car into the garage to get fixed regularly.

colm_mcm

steirishrover wrote: »

It's on carzone for 8000 in baileys garage but I called yesterday and told me he could go 7500 on it

That's too cheap. And I know they're not an expensive car new.

If you're buying stuff at the cheapest end of the scale for the year/mileage, you're very likely to get burnt.

bazz26

steirishrover wrote: »

I need a diesel because I get the diesel for nearly free with the company I work for.. it's a long story won't get into it

Swings and roundabouts dude. Free fuel vs higher potential maintenance/repair bills.

Pugzilla

Like most Irish drivers he just wants the cheap tax, irrespective of maintenance and running costs.

steirishrover

I was told once a week to give a diesel motor a good run up the m50 and back to burn out the crap.. i maybe wasn't doing that enough

The garage where the dacia is seems a very reputable place.. they look like their that bit cheaper than most places.. the Astra and Kia I have listed above are also from the same garage

bazz26

steirishrover wrote: »

I was told once a week to give a diesel motor a good run up the m50 and back to burn out the crap.. i maybe wasn't doing that enough

Or maybe a diesel car is just not suitable to your car usage? Going out of your way to drive it properly seems a bit daft to me.

ba_barabus

Free fuel? **** it get a V8 Land Cruiser Amazon

Shpudnik

ba_barabus wrote: »

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ba_barabus

Shpudnik wrote: »

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Shefwedfan

steirishrover wrote: »

Hi all.. just need some tips or advice

I have a 7000 euro budget and I need a diesel car to suit this budget. I do about 250km a week and alot of that would be short trips no more than 4 mile journey 90% of the time. I'm not really worried about fuel saving etc.

You should not be driving a diesel.

How much is cheap? I guess cheap means you are getting the VAT off it?

It's still not cheap as your repair bill will be through the roof.

You should go for electric. Based on 250km per week it will cost you circa 3-5 euro per week on fuel(I would think lower but depends on your electricity provider)....also your tax will be cheaper than diesel....

Is the diesel really that cheap?

bear1

Op, are you aware of dpfs and egrs?
Your mileage does not make it feasible to have a diesel.
You will be shafted with repair bills and take this from someone who did approx 50k last year and I'm still having dpf issues.
Get yourself a little tsi golf or polo and you'll never regret it.
The Dacia screams too cheap but it's your money at the end of the day.

Btw is this the Dacia?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/dacia-duster-diesel-in-white-bargain/16009235

colm_mcm

I'd be looking for rust on it.

mick_ser

Had one of those Peugeot 2008 was a great car

steirishrover

bear1 wrote: »

Op, are you aware of dpfs and egrs?
Your mileage does not make it feasible to have a diesel.
You will be shafted with repair bills and take this from someone who did approx 50k last year and I'm still having dpf issues.
Get yourself a little tsi golf or polo and you'll never regret it.
The Dacia screams too cheap but it's your money at the end of the day.

Btw is this the Dacia?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/dacia-duster-diesel-in-white-bargain/16009235

Yep that's the dacia..is it really that cheap considering the model of the car?

Basically lads I don't spend a penny for diesel.. o would go through about 50 quid worth a week.. I won't get into the ins and out of it.

The last car I had ( insignia ) had a dpf issue..

I'll have a good think about the electric car.. would even a 1.2 or 1.4 diesel be any use to me?

Shefwedfan

steirishrover wrote: »

Yep that's the dacia..is it really that cheap considering the model of the car?

Basically lads I don't spend a penny for diesel.. o would go through about 50 quid worth a week.. I won't get into the ins and out of it.

The last car I had ( insignia ) had a dpf issue..

I'll have a good think about the electric car.. would even a 1.2 or 1.4 diesel be any use to me?

No. Just because the ltr number is lower on diesel does not mean it works different. For the driving you are doing either petrol/hybrid or preferable full electric is best way to go.

50 quid a week on 250km? You really are burning some fuel, when you think it costs about 2 euro to fully charge an Ioniq and that will do circa 250km on one charge.

No wonder the CO2 in this country is so high....

bear1

steirishrover wrote: »

Yep that's the dacia..is it really that cheap considering the model of the car?

Basically lads I don't spend a penny for diesel.. o would go through about 50 quid worth a week.. I won't get into the ins and out of it.

The last car I had ( insignia ) had a dpf issue..

I'll have a good think about the electric car.. would even a 1.2 or 1.4 diesel be any use to me?

No discs or plates, UK reg? Even though they say new NCT.
It's utterly basic inside and would drive me mad spending so much money for so little car.
As mentioned, 50e to do 250km?? How is that possible? Unless you are spending every single hour in stop start.
You would be foolish in my opinion to go anywhere near a diesel.

Funny how?

OP go diesel and don't mind the anti diesel parade on here.

I would recommend the Skoda octavia for your budget, bullet proof car. People on this forum swear diesels break down every week.

Your doing 250km a week which isn't too bad.

I do roughly 300km a week with a 09 octavia and never had an issue. Bought it three years ago

grogi

bear1 wrote: »

Op, are you aware of dpfs and egrs?
Your mileage does not make it feasible to have a diesel.
You will be shafted with repair bills and take this from someone who did approx 50k last year and I'm still having dpf issues.

By your own admission, the DPF issues don't seem to be mileage per week related...

mickdw

Would it be an option to go older. Buy a cheap diesel to run on that free fuel and not have the dpf problems at all.
I dont beleive the diesel issues are as drastic as made out. I have fsmily that buy new diesel cars and do maybe 15k km per year. They buy diesel because the resale on a petrol model of the same car is terrible so its a no brainer to get the diesel.
They dont have any issues. I believe at higher mileage the issues can appear quickly if doing short trips.

mickdw

Would it be an option to go older. Buy a cheap diesel to run on that free fuel and not have the dpf problems at all.
I dont beleive the diesel issues are as drastic as made out. I have fsmily that buy new diesel cars and do maybe 15k km per year. They buy diesel because the resale on a petrol model of the same car is terrible so its a no brainer to get the diesel.
They dont have any issues. I believe at higher mileage the issues can appear quickly if doing short trips.

Funny how?

mickdw wrote: »

Would it be an option to go older. Buy a cheap diesel to run on that free fuel and not have the dpf problems at all.
I dont beleive the diesel issues are as drastic as made out. I have fsmily that buy new diesel cars and do maybe 15k km per year. They buy diesel because the resale on a petrol model of the same car is terrible so its a no brainer to get the diesel.
They dont have any issues. I believe at higher mileage the issues can appear quickly if doing short trips.

Nah, get a good diesel. Octavia I recommend. DPF issues are there but for 7k should get a good deal out of a garage with a 12 month warranty with cheap tax, including there own car

steirishrover

Funny how? wrote: »

Nah, get a good diesel. Octavia I recommend. DPF issues are there but for 7k should get a good deal out of a garage with a 12 month warranty with cheap tax, including there own car

That's the worry.. the dreaded dpf.. I thought it was gone in the last car and my mechanic was saying your talking big money for it..

An older car not really what I wanted to do with 7k money or less..

I didn't notice the dacia was on UK plates.. I'll forget about that so.. I really like the look of the Kia ceed in Bailey's garage also

bazz26

Funny how? wrote: »

OP go diesel and don't mind the anti diesel parade on here.

I would recommend the Skoda octavia for your budget, bullet proof car. People on this forum swear diesels break down every week.

Your doing 250km a week which isn't too bad.

I do roughly 300km a week with a 09 octavia and never had an issue. Bought it three years ago

What engine is in your Octavia? If it's the 1.9 TDi then it didn't have a DPF and is an old school diesel engine which is not the same as most of the cars on the OP's list. Also what type of driving is that 300km you are doing?
And dismissing people here as anti-diesel is just head in the sand syndrome especially when the OP states they had an Insignia with DPF issues. Just because you haven't had any issues yet doesn't mean they don't happen.

mickdw wrote: »

Would it be an option to go older. Buy a cheap diesel to run on that free fuel and not have the dpf problems at all.
I dont beleive the diesel issues are as drastic as made out. I have fsmily that buy new diesel cars and do maybe 15k km per year. They buy diesel because the resale on a petrol model of the same car is terrible so its a no brainer to get the diesel.
They dont have any issues. I believe at higher mileage the issues can appear quickly if doing short trips.

OP mentions though that they have just come from an Insignia with the DPF issues though. If they must go diesel then old school diesel is the way to go.

Car99

Buy yourself a nice clean, full service history , 2008 a4 avant 1.9tdi. in lava grey with 150k on it . Bullet proof old skool diesel engine than can handle the short trips, nevet misses a beat, new bridgestone tyres all round. €360 tax. You can have it for €6500. Nct till 2018 . Tax till nov. Ill even do the timing belt before i sell it.

bear1

grogi wrote: »

By your own admission, the DPF issues don't seem to be mileage per week related...

My point was that it is an expensive thing to fix and buying a diesel and doing 250km a week driving around a city is utterly stupid.
Mine is mostly motorway mileage, what sort of reaction do you expect a dpf and egr to have in mostly stop start city traffic?
Apart from the op not wanting to explain how he is getting free diesel, surely to god you are going to faced with higher maintenance costs due to improper use and considering the op has themselves stated their last diesel car gave dpf issues.

bear1

Funny how? wrote: »

OP go diesel and don't mind the anti diesel parade on here.

I would recommend the Skoda octavia for your budget, bullet proof car. People on this forum swear diesels break down every week.

Your doing 250km a week which isn't too bad.

I do roughly 300km a week with a 09 octavia and never had an issue. Bought it three years ago

How have you drawn that conclusion? The op does 250km on 50e of diesel... What does that tell you? Are diesels to be used for trotting around cities or for long distance cruising?
Essentially the op is saving 50e per week on fuel but diesels are more expensive to service and you'll see those savings wiped out the moment things get serious.
Aside from the fact diesels will be hit in this budget from the sounds of things. There aren't too many savings to be had from owning one.

grogi

bear1 wrote: »

Aside from the fact diesels will be hit in this budget from the sounds of things. There aren't too many savings to be had from owning one.

Aren't you a bit hysterical here anyway? If - and this is a big if - the duty is increased, it will be like €0.02 on litre.

bear1

grogi wrote: »

Aren't you a bit hysterical here anyway? If - and this is a big if - the duty is increased, it will be like €0.02 on litre.

I am yeah. It's not my money so the op can do what he wants.