Declare a car off the road without insurance

spuriosity

I'm living in Italy, had my Irish car over here for a while but stopped using it when the tax and insurance expired.
Being an innocent flower, I wasn't aware of the whole 'off the road' thing. I now want to sell my car here in Italy (AFAIK to a guy who imports to Poland, but that's a different topic). It will be registered in Poland/East Europe. Do I need to still declare my car off the road? Will the buyer run into issues in the future, either registering in Poland, or if the car is eventually bought by someone with the idea of driving to Ireland/UK and re-registering it?
I had an experimental go at re-taxing it online, but having no insurance means I can't complete the forms :-/
Any advice? Does it even need to be declared off the road?
Thanks

grogi

spuriosity wrote: »

I'm living in Italy, had my Irish car over here for a while but stopped using it when the tax and insurance expired.
Being an innocent flower, I wasn't aware of the whole 'off the road' thing. I now want to sell my car here in Italy (AFAIK to a guy who imports to Poland, but that's a different topic). It will be registered in Poland/East Europe. Do I need to still declare my car off the road? Will the buyer run into issues in the future, either registering in Poland, or if the car is eventually bought by someone with the idea of driving to Ireland/UK and re-registering it?
I had an experimental go at re-taxing it online, but having no insurance means I can't complete the forms :-/
Any advice? Does it even need to be declared off the road?
Thanks

No. He only needs the logbook and sale contract. He'll know what he needs anyway.

coylemj

spuriosity wrote: »

I now want to sell my car here in Italy (AFAIK to a guy who imports to Poland, but that's a different topic).

It may be a 'different topic' but a prospective buyer who spins a story like that is often a front for a scam, be very careful.

One variation is that they agree to buy the car without even looking at it (=major red flag). They then send you a fake Paypal e-mail telling you that the money has been paid into your account but the amount will be more than you were asking for. They then send you an e-mail pointing out the 'mistake' and asking you to wire them the difference, by some untraceable and irreversible route like Western Union. As soon as you do, that's the last you'll hear from them.

CiniO

coylemj wrote: »

It may be a 'different topic' but a prospective buyer who spins a story like that is often a front for a scam, be very careful.

One variation is that they agree to buy the car without even looking at it (=major red flag). They then send you a fake Paypal e-mail telling you that the money has been paid into your account but the amount will be more than you were asking for. They then send you an e-mail pointing out the 'mistake' and asking you to wire them the difference, by some untraceable and irreversible route like Western Union. As soon as you do, that's the last you'll hear from them.

I strongly doubt a guy who imports cars from Italy to Poland and is interested in OP's car would be a scam.

But obviously if he doesn't come himself to pick up and pay for the car, then indeed I'd be very wary.

CiniO

spuriosity wrote: »

I'm living in Italy, had my Irish car over here for a while but stopped using it when the tax and insurance expired.
Being an innocent flower, I wasn't aware of the whole 'off the road' thing. I now want to sell my car here in Italy (AFAIK to a guy who imports to Poland, but that's a different topic). It will be registered in Poland/East Europe. Do I need to still declare my car off the road? Will the buyer run into issues in the future, either registering in Poland, or if the car is eventually bought by someone with the idea of driving to Ireland/UK and re-registering it?
I had an experimental go at re-taxing it online, but having no insurance means I can't complete the forms :-/
Any advice? Does it even need to be declared off the road?
Thanks

You don't need to declare it off the road. Buyer won't run into any issues in the future. If he decides to register in Poland, all he'll need (as mentioned by grogi) is car registration cert (which you'll have to give to the buyer) and contract of sale (signed by seller who's name is in the logbook, and buyer).
If buyer decides to bring it back to Ireland and drive it, he will have to go through change of ownership process (sending logbook to shannon) and then tax from month of change of ownership.

spuriosity

Great advice, thanks all
On a side note, thanks for the warning on the scam. The guy is reasonably legit, in that his type of activity is well known here, you find notes on your car all the time 'If you want to sell....' etc. The worst they'll do is offer you half up front when they take the car and stiff you for the rest, but if you're even half-way sensible you'll tell them to FO and they'll laugh (which is exactly what happened to me with this guy). If he doesn't turn up in person with the stated amount of cash in hand he can't have the log book :P

737max

Car?
Year?
NCT?
Asking price?
Location?
In good working order?

coylemj

737max wrote: »

Car?
Year?
NCT?
Asking price?
Location?
In good working order?

Tyre kicker?

737max

No. Interested in the right Irish registered car on the continent.

uck51js9zml2yt

You dont need to declare off the road. Also if you were to, you can only do it in the final month of the current irish motor tax period.

What should happen is that you register the car locally and get a local number plate.
You hand over your irish registration certificate for a local one. The local authority then sends the irish one back to the DOT in Shannon advising them of whats happened. The DOT will then mark the car as exported on the National Vehicle Database

coylemj

737max wrote: »

No. Interested in the right Irish registered car on the continent.

The 'continent'? How far are you prepared to travel to look at a right-hand drive car that's getting on in years?

You didn't even ask which part of Italy she's in.

737max

I did by PM and got no response so I'm not going to beg.
Having repatriated two cars this year I'm more than a tyre kicker and if it is somewhere scenic in Northern Italy it will be the impetus I need to visit.
Now stop looking to stir up trouble thank you.

Del2005

spuriosity wrote: »

Great advice, thanks all
On a side note, thanks for the warning on the scam. The guy is reasonably legit, in that his type of activity is well known here, you find notes on your car all the time 'If you want to sell....' etc. The worst they'll do is offer you half up front when they take the car and stiff you for the rest, but if you're even half-way sensible you'll tell them to FO and they'll laugh (which is exactly what happened to me with this guy). If he doesn't turn up in person with the stated amount of cash in hand he can't have the log book :P

Make sure you have a currency checking pen and check a large proportion of the notes.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

Make sure you have a currency checking pen and check a large proportion of the notes.

Do people always do it when selling a car?

Del2005

CiniO wrote: »

Do people always do it when selling a car?

Just like most people don't do an inspection before buying a car, and then come onto sites like this complaining that they got scammed, most people don't bother checking if they are getting legal tender when selling. It's simple to slip a fake bills into a wad of cash and since the OP already knows that the buyer has a reputation for not competing the deal why wouldn't they spend a few Euro to verify that the person taking their car and documents out of the country is paying with legal tender.

Cocobongo

spuriosity wrote: »

I'm living in Italy, had my Irish car over here for a while but stopped using it when the tax and insurance expired.
Being an innocent flower, I wasn't aware of the whole 'off the road' thing. I now want to sell my car here in Italy (AFAIK to a guy who imports to Poland, but that's a different topic). It will be registered in Poland/East Europe. Do I need to still declare my car off the road? Will the buyer run into issues in the future, either registering in Poland, or if the car is eventually bought by someone with the idea of driving to Ireland/UK and re-registering it?
I had an experimental go at re-taxing it online, but having no insurance means I can't complete the forms :-/
Any advice? Does it even need to be declared off the road?
Thanks

I saw you have got your questions sorted already, but just a little heads up about the insurance for tax - you don't have to enter anything really. There were quite a few times i didn't have my insurance policy jumber next to me when paying tax online so 8've just entered "00000000" and it did go through and nothing bad happened. Anyway, just in case if the info is needed for the future 🀛ðŸ»ðŸ™‚

CiniO

Cocobongo wrote: »

I saw you have got your questions sorted already, but just a little heads up about the insurance for tax - you don't have to enter anything really. There were quite a few times i didn't have my insurance policy jumber next to me when paying tax online so 8've just entered "00000000" and it did go through and nothing bad happened. Anyway, just in case if the info is needed for the future ��Ÿ™‚

The only thing is that there is absolutely no reason why OP would want to spend money on taxing this car

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

Just like most people don't do an inspection before buying a car, and then come onto sites like this complaining that they got scammed, most people don't bother checking if they are getting legal tender when selling. It's simple to slip a fake bills into a wad of cash and since the OP already knows that the buyer has a reputation for not competing the deal why wouldn't they spend a few Euro to verify that the person taking their car and documents out of the country is paying with legal tender.

It's actually a good idea, and simple.
Would something like that do?
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Counterfeit-Money-Detector-Euro-Pen-Banknote-Tester-Currency-Cash-Checker-Marker-/222556265899?var=&hash=item33d1631dab:m:mZrW8waCmW0o15J1uF7U_Tw