Phev with greatest range.

dashoonage

Couldnt see a thread to put this in.

Are all the current PHEV's around the 30 mile mark ? Is there anything with a better range..


Please dont answer buy a Full EV :P

KCross

I believe the Golf GTE, Ioniq PHEV, Kia Optima PHEV, Prius PHEV are all marketed as 50km on EV.

I've no idea if they are BS manufacturers figures or not. I'd say thats the max you can expect to get from any mainstream PHEV on electric.

They all have 8-10 kWh's of battery capacity. Hard to see them adding more and still having enough space for the ICE while at the same time keeping the weight in check. Battery density needs to improve further... which it will, but I'd say you are stuck at 50km for now.

dashoonage

Was thinking that.

Anything coming down the line with a but more?

grogi

dashoonage wrote: »

Was thinking that.

Anything coming down the line with a but more?

Don't think so. Better BEV will be good enough soon for almost everyone's perception.

liamog

After 50km PHEV stop making sense.
Better to go to BEV with a range extender like the I3.

zilog_jones

KCross wrote: »

I believe the Golf GTE, Ioniq PHEV, Kia Optima PHEV, Prius PHEV are all marketed as 50km on EV.

I've no idea if they are BS manufacturers figures or not.

They're BS NEDC figures
US EPA rating for the 2nd gen Prius PHV is 40 km EV range, which people can achieve in real life. I've heard you can get 50 km if you try, but not with normal driving.

dashoonage wrote: »

Anything coming down the line with a but more?

Not for a while - the Prius PHV only came out this year, so is about as modern as they get. Battery density, weight and cost are the limiting factors - for example, due to chassis weight limits, the Prius PHV only has four seats.

Still not sure if the Ioniq PHEV exists yet...

yannakis

How does the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and BMW 330e stack up compared to the above?

goz83

yannakis wrote: »

How does the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and BMW 330e stack up compared to the above?

The Outlander gets up to 50klm per charge. I don't know about the 330e

The Outlander can get 100-150 mpg , depending on your driving and distance. If you can keep the battery topped up from fast chargers or your home charge point you can make massive savings for such a vehicle, My partner is thinking of getting one.

The plug in with the greatest range would be the 33 Kwh BMW I3 Rex, on my test drive I drove 408 Kms on battery alone with no Rex with a 50 min fast charger while I had food.

unkel

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The Outlander can get 100-150 mpg , depending on your driving and distance. If you can keep the battery topped up from fast chargers or your home charge point you can make massive savings for such a vehicle, My partner is thinking of getting one.

Did you hit your head this evening or something? Or did someone hack your boards account? Outlander PHEV is a (tax and BIK) compliance vehicle. Your partner will lose 10 times as much in depreciation compared to what she will save on fuel. I can't believe you of all people are coming up with this kinda post.

The ones I'm looking at have lost half it's value already and this would be a car that would be kept a good few years so most of it will already have depreciated. Likely kept 8 years + making it 10 years old or more. However, the greatest deciding factor would be can we really do without the 7 seats. And yes we can most of the time but a few times of the year we would need it.

grogi

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However, the greatest deciding factor would be can we really do without the 7 seats. And yes we can most of the time but a few times of the year we would need it.

Then rent a seven seater or drive with two cars.

We do drive with two cars but we need to get rid of the 2008 Cee'd anyway, 210,000 kms and it's starting to act up.

goz83

Deleted User wrote: »

The ones I'm looking at have lost half it's value already and this would be a car that would be kept a good few years so most of it will already have depreciated. Likely kept 8 years + making it 10 years old or more. However, the greatest deciding factor would be can we really do without the 7 seats. And yes we can most of the time but a few times of the year we would need it.

We were worried about giving up the 7 seater too and it was used often to ferry 6 or 7 of us on family trips and days out. However, having the 2 Leafs has been the better option. When we have 6+ people, we use both cars....as we did today when driving to Howth with all the kids. It was more peaceful, was much cheaper than the Zafira would have cost of juice and it allowed us to do different stops and get more done...she stopped at the garage on the way down to withdraw cash and I stopped at the library to get a couple of DVDs for the kids. On the way back I stopped off at the takeaway while she got most of the kids home and set up for grub.

The outlander is a lovely thing. It's a crying shame it's only a 7 seater in the diesel version.

Yeah with the PHEV we'd still have to take 2 cars but in reality that's only a couple of times a year the more important thing would be the extra space. And yes , it's a nice car.

unkel

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The ones I'm looking at have lost half it's value already

Ah, apologies. Thought you were buying brand new / PCP.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Ah, apologies. Thought you were buying brand new / PCP.

No chance !

Though now she's aware it hasn't got 7 seats she's having 2nd thoughts. I did tell her.

zilog_jones

Let's be thankful that at least some people out there are mad enough to buy new PHEVs

denismc

I find it hard to see the benefit of PHEVs at all.
Its very expensive compared to EVs and ICE vechicles for a limited saving in fuel consumption.
I'm not sure if the fuel savings would ever justify the initial outlay and to get the most out of your batteries you would have to plug it in quite a lot which could be a pain.

goz83

denismc wrote: »

I find it hard to see the benefit of PHEVs at all.
Its very expensive compared to EVs and ICE vechicles for a limited saving in fuel consumption.
I'm not sure if the fuel savings would ever justify the initial outlay and to get the most out of your batteries you would have to plug it in quite a lot which could be a pain.

A phev would have suited me, but not as much as a bev. Most journeys would have been covered by battery alone.

They really suit those who work and stay in Dublin on the weekdays and return to whatever distant county on the weekends. There are a few variations of this suitability. People who live and work in X and who visit family in Y on weekends. PHEVS have a place....albeit a very temporary one, as bev tech ranges increase all the time. They also act a bridge to full bevs as drivers start to see that they could do all their driving in a bev.

dashoonage

A phev would suit me perfectly if the range was slightly better, 50km a day commute with the occasional "oh **** its broke you need to go here and fix it, when stuff breaks its not really acceptable to tell the customer....Yup...will be there shortly...just stopping for a coffee and a quick charge!

zilog_jones

denismc wrote: »

I find it hard to see the benefit of PHEVs at all.
Its very expensive compared to EVs and ICE vechicles for a limited saving in fuel consumption.
I'm not sure if the fuel savings would ever justify the initial outlay and to get the most out of your batteries you would have to plug it in quite a lot which could be a pain.

New prices are insane, but after 3-4 years they are a much more realistic option.

I got a 2012 Prius Plug-in last year - it didn't cost any more than a comparable high-spec standard Prius of similar age (in the UK, as it wasn't sold here).

I'm spending 40% less on fuel compared to my previous diesel (including lecky costs), and using about 30% less petrol than an average 3rd gen Prius. And this is with about 16km EV range VRT and motor tax were also a good bit lower.

unkel

denismc wrote: »

I find it hard to see the benefit of PHEVs at all.
Its very expensive compared to EVs and ICE vechicles for a limited saving in fuel consumption.

If you're in the market for say a BMW 3-series (and an EV is not for you yet), then a PHEV makes a lot of sense. Price of a 330e is about the same as a 318d auto. You get a free EV charger for your home and all your local driving is pretty much free when you charge up every night

And you have a lot more performance from a PHEV like a 330e than from the same car with a small diesel engine...

slicedpanman

unkel wrote: »

You get a free EV charger for your home

Are you sure about that? Think they are for full EV only. I spoke to a 330e owner here in Limerick (at an SCP) and he didn't even have a cable to use the SCPs with - not sure that you get one with the 330e

zilog_jones

It's free for all new plug-in vehicles sold in Ireland.

unkel

I'd be surprised if he didn't get a cable. Maybe an omission from the dealer? Or maybe he didn't inspect all the bags that came with the car and thought one of them was a toolkit, tyre blow up kit or something?

And yeah, the reason a PHEV 3-series is a good choice is that it attracts €7,500 subsidy plus a free home charger plus free (for the moment) public charging. So a fast much cleaner car for the price of a slow, dirty, unrefined, smelly, noisy, carcinogenic diesel. Can't really go wrong there.

But personally I would hope BMW will have a fully EV 3-series out sooner rather than later. Hopefully as soon as sometime next year? Would be a spectacular sight to see Tesla and BMW take over the premium market (unless others are in time to jump in). Some times we live in!

zilog_jones

Knowing BMW, the Type 2 cable is probably extra. A lot of PHEVs only come with a granny charger.

unkel

That's interesting! A Leaf only comes with a Type 2 cable. A granny chargers costs far more to buy than a Type 2 cable, BTW.

zilog_jones

I think it might explain why 330e and Outlander PHEV owners end up unnecessarily hogging up FCPs, as they are tethered.

I can't find equipment specs for the 330e in Ireland, but the Outlander PHEV only comes with a 10A 230V charger here. I had to buy a Type 2 cable myself for my UK-spec Prius PHV.

As charging time isn't as critical 230V @ 10A is fine, and probably makes more sense to only supply that in countries where you're not getting a free home charger installation. Most yanks are happy enough charging their Prius PHVs at only 110V - 3 hours for 4.4 kWh!

cros13

zilog_jones wrote: »

Knowing BMW, the Type 2 cable is probably extra. A lot of PHEVs only come with a granny charger.

€240

unkel wrote: »

But personally I would hope BMW will have a fully EV 3-series out sooner rather than later. Hopefully as soon as sometime next year?

:pac::rolleyes::D