EU's car regulator warns against car diesel ban in cities

mikeecho

The great diesel hate, may have hit a speed bump.

Warning about banning diesels outright in cities, but instead suggests removing the most polluting models, presumably euro I, II & III

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-emissions-eu-idUSKBN1A70G8

TBi

I'd agree with that if they also ban cars which have had their EGRs and DPFs blanked out or removed. I was behind a Citroen c4 Picasso yesterday that was spewing out black smoke for 30km!!!

Special Circumstances

TBi wrote: »

I'd agree with that if they also ban cars which have had their EGRs and DPFs blanked out or removed. I was behind a Citroen c4 Picasso yesterday that was spewing out black smoke for 30km!!!

How dare you suggest that a diesel car that has passed euro5 or euro6 could be a polluting POS outside of the test lab.

Next thing you'll be looking for actual emissions tests at NCT. Diesel ist clean. Drop your lame campaign ;-)

Atlantic Dawn

The problem is the millions of VW cheat vehicles play outside the rules, why Revenue havn't taken a case for defrauding the country of VRT and motor tax money is beyond me.

vectra

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The problem is the millions of VW cheat vehicles play outside the rules, why Revenue havn't taken a case for defrauding the country of VRT and motor tax money is beyond me.

That would probably open a huge can of worms with most if not all manufacturers.
I think they might all have something behind the curtains.

bazz26

Well they have no will to chase Apple for €13b either.

mikeecho

bazz26 wrote: »

Well they have no will to chase Apple for €13b either.

Government setting up escrow fund for Apple State aid money
The size of fund could be between €13bn and €15bn

http://www.newstalk.com/Government-setting-up-escrow-fund-for-Apple-State-aid-money


Now, what was your point?

Del2005

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The problem is the millions of VW cheat vehicles play outside the rules, why Revenue havn't taken a case for defrauding the country of VRT and motor tax money is beyond me.

VRT is based on CO2 so the Polar Bears are still safe from the VW cheating. Us humans on the other hand are at risk but that never affected the tax on the vehicles so Revenue have no case to take.

mikeecho

The motor tax system is/was due to change anyway.

If everyone bought an ev in the morning, the tax take from vrt and motor tax would vanish.

A new or reconstructed motortax would have to be introduced.
I've long been an advocate of fixed flat rates.

Fixed rate for
Petrol, another for diesel, and electric, commercial etc

Each category, has a fixed rate.
It's simple.

A 1l petrol will pay the same as a 3L petrol tax = ×
A 1L diesel will pay the same as a 3l diesel Diesel motor tax
= y
All ev pay the same = z
All commercials pay the same = a
Etc etc for various types of hybrids, commercials. = b c d e f g

It's simple and straight forward.

Putting motortax on fuel will be a disaster, Jack lynch did it and motortax was reintroduced, Guernsey island did it, and their government are looking to reintroduce motor tax.

Motor tax on fuel , won't benefit the motorist, in the medium to long term.

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vectra wrote: »

That would probably open a huge can of worms with most if not all manufacturers.
I think they might all have something behind the curtains.

If they passed the tests then they passed the tests. You need to drop your lame campaign;-)

Inviere

Special Circumstances wrote: »

If they passed the tests then they passed the tests. You need to drop your lame campaign;-)

Which ones, the lab ones? Oh yeah, they passed those alright

Watch capitalistic lobbying at work with this...

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Inviere wrote: »

Which ones, the lab ones? Oh yeah, they passed those alright

Exactly. They passed the tests. Let that be the enda the matter.

Inviere wrote: »

Watch capitalistic lobbying at work with this...

I don't believe the Green party would be swayed by lobbying on this, they would only have backed diesel if a reputable source told them it was genuinely clean and genuinely low emissions and that diesel CO2 was less harmful than petrol CO2 to justify the many situations where it is cheaper to produce more CO2 by choosing a diesel over a petrol . A wiccan witch or some such respected expert.

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Del2005 wrote: »

VRT is based on CO2 so the Polar Bears are still safe from the VW cheating. Us humans on the other hand are at risk but that never affected the tax on the vehicles so Revenue have no case to take.

Does the fix put them in a different CO2 bracket? I know it's voluntary, does that mean that no re-assessment is needed? If so that was a handy enough stroke wasn't it! Good old EU, looking out for us all!

Del2005

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Does the fix put them in a different CO2 bracket? I know it's voluntary, does that mean that no re-assessment is needed? If so that was a handy enough stroke wasn't it! Good old EU, looking out for us all!

I don't know. But since they are allowed to lie about the emissions they officially release for CO2, rolling road!, then anything they say is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Inviere

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Exactly. They passed the tests. Let that be the enda the matter.

Well there's two ways to pass a test, legitimately, and not so legitimately (ie, fraudulently).

I don't believe the Green party would be swayed by lobbying on this, they would only have backed diesel if a reputable source told them it was genuinely clean and genuinely low emissions and that diesel CO2 was less harmful than petrol CO2 to justify the many situations where it is cheaper to produce more CO2 by choosing a diesel over a petrol . A wiccan witch or some such respected expert.

This reeks of a cartel of manufacturers flashing the cash in Brussels

Special Circumstances

Del2005 wrote: »

I don't know. But since they are allowed to lie about the emissions they officially release for CO2, rolling road!, then anything they say is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Inviere wrote: »

Well there's two ways to pass a test, legitimately, and not so legitimately (ie, fraudulently).



This reeks of a cartel of manufacturers flashing the cash in Brussels

I reject these horrendous fake news slurs against diesel! We will repel the petrol and electric fanboys advancing to the North and East, with a relentless and almighty assault.

Inviere

Special Circumstances wrote: »

We will repel the petrol and electric fanboys advancing to the North and East, with a relentless and almighty assault of filthy soot and carcinogenic particulates

munchkin_utd

mikeecho wrote: »

The great diesel hate, may have hit a speed bump.

Warning about banning diesels outright in cities, but instead suggests removing the most polluting models, presumably euro I, II & III

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-emissions-eu-idUSKBN1A70G8

funny how in the motors forum its so quiet on the diesel issue, and how the whole diesel ban in Germany is bigger news this week than the catholic church systematically abusing 580 boys at Regensburg cathedral

anyhow, I'll take your euro 1, 2 and 3 and raise a 4 and a 5 !!

Stuttgart, home of Mercedes and Porsche (and a low lying city surrounded by hills) just looks like anything below Euro 6 will be banned thanks to a court case today.
http://www.dw.com/en/diesel-car-ban-likely-in-stuttgart/a-39870235
(the only english language source so far, but the story will no doubt get picked up as the reality sinks in)

The Munich/ Bavarian authorities (so home of BMW, MAN truck group, and Audi just a half hour down the road) are trying their best so that it doesn't follow suit but there are similar cases going through the courts where logic and facts unfortunately trump blind loyalty to the motoring lobbyists.

If it was any other city pairing with such bad air quality the ban would have been in long ago or at least a little stricter, but with 100s of thousands of employees directly, and as many indirectly, the government is loath to let anything impact on the car industry