Silly question: How much does a new leaf cost

Irishder

Sorry for asking this but i would be interested in hearing what people actually paid for a brand spanking new leaf, taking into account:
- Car to scrap
- Government Subsidy
- No VRT
Thanks,

Soarer

The prices on the Nissan price are including the subsidy and the VRT rebate. They don't include the scrappage or the €1000 delivery charge.

So basically, whatever price you see on the Nissan site, subtract €3k from it, and that's your price.

Then starts the haggling!

salmocab

Actually I was wondering similar this morning, if anyone could give a run down of the price of a new leaf (or alternatives) plus how much a charger costs to be installed at home (is this wired from my meter box or from my fuseboard) Is there road tax? how much if there is or likelyhood of it being introduced at some point. What the costs for maintenance etc is would be great too. How long do batteries last as in shelf life before replacement and what kind of cost is that.

Ive just started a new job and there are charging points on site and im about 26 kms from home so it would be easy enough for charging etc but wouldnt like to rely on not getting sacked for being able to drive in the future.

unkel

For price see the website: from €21,490 minus €3,000 as Soarer explained. Plus extras minus further negotiated discount

You get a free charger installed for free (courtesy of the tax payer) when you buy a new EV. It's connect to your consumer unit (fusebox)

Maintenance about €100 per year plus the cost of tyres

Batteries will last longer than the car, but will degrade a little bit over time (think 10%-20% in 10 years or so)

You can easily charge at home or at work and probably only need to charge a few times per week for your commute

Motor tax is €120 per year

Hope that helps! And just to let you know, there is a newer model Leaf on the way, so you should get a big discount on the current one. And have you heard about the Hyundai Ioniq or are you only considering the Nissan Leaf?

pheasant tail

I'm also finally making the switch to electric come January. Doesn't fully suit my needs but I don't want to wait any longer. Must say if it wasn't for this forum I would have never considered it or thought it a real possibility yet. Still haven't decided which I'll get yet, leaf or ionik but I'll wait and see what is announced in the coming months for next year. The worry I do have is depreciation, buy next year and then there's a better battery the following year and so on

Soarer

pheasant tail wrote: »

I'm also finally making the switch to electric come January. Doesn't fully suit my needs but I don't want to wait any longer. Must say if it wasn't for this forum I would have never considered it or thought it a real possibility yet. Still haven't decided which I'll get yet, leaf or ionik but I'll wait and see what is announced in the coming months for next year. The worry I do have is depreciation, buy next year and then there's a better battery the following year and so on

You'll never buy a new car if that's your worry.

If the car suits your current and your forseeable future needs, then it shouldn't matter what's released in the (near) future.

pheasant tail

Soarer wrote: »

You'll never buy a new car if that's your worry.

If the car suits your current and your forseeable future needs, then it shouldn't matter what's released in the (near) future.

I know I can't argue with that, if I wait and buy a year later again then there's always going to be something else coming down the line. Better range would be great that what will likely be available at an affordable price next year but I'll just try make it work as I really do want one

unkel

Depreciation is a serious concern if you are likely to change your car within the next 3 years or so. Nobody knows what it will be, so best to overestimate the severity of it. Or just plan to keep the car for 4 or 5 years or even longer. But even then you could change your mind and that would mean having to face depreciation

The only thing that can ease your mind is to do a total cost of ownership comparison in excel between an ICE and an EV using a worst case scenario in relation to the depreciation of the EV

It's quite likely the EV will still be a good bit cheaper to own. If so, Q.E.D. and your mind put at ease...

unkel

pheasant tail wrote: »

if I wait and buy a year later again then there's always going to be something else coming down the line.

There's always that. On the other hand, I can't really see our extremely generous €10k subsidy carrot lasting much longer. It's not a very efficient way of using tax money to get people into EVs. The stick method (hike the price of diesel and the motor tax of diesel cars) is far more effective and a lot cheaper to do :cool:

pheasant tail

unkel wrote: »

Depreciation is a serious concern if you are likely to change your car within the next 3 years or so. Nobody knows what it will be, so best to overestimate the severity of it. Or just plan to keep the car for 4 or 5 years or even longer. But even then you could change your mind and that would mean having to face depreciation

The only thing that can ease your mind is to do a total cost of ownership comparison in excel between an ICE and an EV using a worst case scenario in relation to the depreciation of the EV

It's quite likely the EV will still be a good bit cheaper to own. If so, Q.E.D. and your mind put at ease...

There's no point in me comparing a new EV with an ICE as I've never bought a new ICE and I wouldn't, reason I'd have to buy a new EV is because there's no second hand market in relation to the range id be looking for. Still split between ionik and leaf. Think I'll wait and see what they both announce for next year. If they launched an ionik with a slightly better battery than the current one at similar prices it would cue a lot of the worries for me and I could envisage the car long term, still could regardless though

unkel

pheasant tail wrote: »

There's no point in me comparing a new EV with an ICE as I've never bought a new ICE and I wouldn't, reason I'd have to buy a new EV is because there's no second hand market in relation to the range id be looking for.

Aye, I was the same. But what put my mind at ease was that it was cheaper total cost of ownership to buy a brand new Ioniq, compared to keeping my 14 year old banger (with a big engine and high tax)

pheasant tail wrote: »

If they launched an ionik with a slightly better battery than the current one at similar prices

They will. It's likely to be announced next year. I don't think it will have similar prices though. Why would Hyundai do that? There is already a far bigger demand than they can make at the current prices. I'd say it's likely that the current 28kWh version will stay on, perhaps slightly discounted, when a newer 40-42kWh version is launched. At probably higher prices than we are at now, but of course depending on what the competition does.

Soarer

pheasant tail wrote: »

There's no point in me comparing a new EV with an ICE as I've never bought a new ICE and I wouldn't, reason I'd have to buy a new EV is because there's no second hand market in relation to the range id be looking for. Still split between ionik and leaf. Think I'll wait and see what they both announce for next year. If they launched an ionik with a slightly better battery than the current one at similar prices it would cue a lot of the worries for me and I could envisage the car long term, still could regardless though

That's what the word is on the new Leaf.

It's gonna have a usable 40kWh battery and will be roughly the same price point as the current one, which will be phased out.

The Ioniq will be the same form factor as current, but with a bigger battery. So maybe a slight drop in price for the current 28kWh version, and a premium on the bigger batteried version. Like the current 24 and 30kWh Leaf.

It's great that we've two big companies competing for the same market share. Keeps them both honest.

pheasant tail

They will. It's likely to be announced next year. I don't think it will have similar prices though. Why would Hyundai do that? There is already a far bigger demand than they can make at the current prices. I'd say it's likely that the current 28kWh version will stay on, perhaps slightly discounted, when a newer 40-42kWh version is launched. At probably higher prices than we are at now, but of course depending on what the competition does.[/quote]

Oh I know if they have a new version next year it will have to be higher than the current model. But it may not be much higher if they drop the current model price a bit as they will want to keep somewhat in line with next years new leaf. Be interesting to see what way it plays out, I'll just have to decide when I see what's coming up

cros13

I think in both Hyundai and Nissans case there will be a premium for the 40-60kWh packs.

Now there are rumors that increased production volumes might allow Nissan to aggressively price the 40kWh-class Leaf mk2 below the current pricing but I wouldn't expect Hyundai to be able to do the same given the demand on LG Chem's production.

Molzer2

Just bit the bullet and decided on a 161 leaf sv, conscious of imminent my 2 model and mad depreciation so despite being eligible for scrappage scheme decided on this. Main reasons were the larger 30kWh battery and longer warranty, will be happy enough to keep it for the long haul as long as its reliable.
As someone else said there's great advice here and that definitely has helped me take the plunge!

unkel

Well wear! How much did you pay for it?

Soarer

Molzer2 wrote: »

Just bit the bullet and decided on a 161 leaf sv, conscious of imminent my 2 model and mad depreciation so despite being eligible for scrappage scheme decided on this. Main reasons were the larger 30kWh battery and longer warranty, will be happy enough to keep it for the long haul as long as its reliable.
As someone else said there's great advice here and that definitely has helped me take the plunge!

Fair play, well wear.

Don't be worrying about what's around the corner now. You've bought something that suits your needs, and that's that. You'll get years of (hopefully) trouble free driving out of that yoke.

Molzer2

Thanks, I'll revert with details once i have it signed over etc.