attachment for front in loader

Tomjim

what would be the best attachment for a front in loader for the following 2 purposes
1. To carry a wrapped bale of silage
2. To carry a JFC Meal bin.

I only want to buy one attachment if at all possib;e

Reggie.

Tomjim wrote: »

what would be the best attachment for a front in loader for the following 2 purposes
1. To carry a wrapped bale of silage
2. To carry a JFC Meal bin.

I only want to buy one attachment if at all possib;e

The bale grab that has the two rollers covering the spikes would be your best bet

Tomjim

Reggie. wrote: »

The bale grab that has the two rollers covering the spikes would be your best bet

thanks howvmuch are they. do u have a pic?

emaherx

Tomjim wrote: »

thanks howvmuch are they. do u have a pic?

https://www.donedeal.ie/feedingequipment-for-sale/bale-handler/15631476

lakill Farm

Tomjim wrote: »

thanks howvmuch are they. do u have a pic?

bought a 2nd Fleming a few weeks ago for €250 need to change brackets to euro . I have a set of soft hands also but depending on trailer your loading with wrapped bales and how a lad once them stacked was reason I got them.

do you want to save the plastic on the bales of silage or just for feeding them?

Tomjim

after baling I want something to bring in a bale on the front loader from the field, so the plastic can not be damaged. also need to bring a JFC meal bin home on the front loader

lakill Farm

Tomjim wrote: »

after baling I want something to bring in a bale on the front loader from the field, so the plastic can not be damaged. also need to bring a JFC meal bin home on the front loader

one like the link above

meal drum full is about 700kg better off sticking it on the bale lifter on the lift arms

Tomjim

lakill Farm wrote: »

one like the link above

meal drum full is about 700kg better off sticking it on the bale lifter on the lift arms

Meal bin for the bale carrier on the back and a second one for the front. Would the one on the link be strong enough to carry a meal bin (holds 600 kg of meal)

If its not strong enough will have to come up with something else

lakill Farm

Tomjim wrote: »

Meal bin for the bale carrier on the back and a second one for the front. Would the one on the link be strong enough to carry a meal bin (holds 600 kg of meal)

If its not strong enough will have to come up with something else

yes with the bale rollers on. would you not go to meal place with trailer on tractor and offload them at home with the loader.

600kg on road is hard on front axle

Tomjim

lakill Farm wrote: »

yes with the bale rollers on. would you not go to meal place with trailer on tractor and offload them at home with the loader.

600kg on road is hard on front axle

Just getting back to this now, I would only be bringing the meal bin on the front loader about 5 times a year.

I would also be using it to bring in approx 280 bales of silage, this would be 140 on back and 140 on front.

Are you saying this would be too hard on a tractor. It is a 4 WD CASE 844

Bass Reeves

Tomjim wrote: »

Just getting back to this now, I would only be bringing the meal bin on the front loader about 5 times a year.

I would also be using it to bring in approx 280 bales of silage, this would be 140 on back and 140 on front.

Are you saying this would be too hard on a tractor. It is a 4 WD CASE 844

2-3 years ago I would have said yes. But round bales in general are 100kgs heavier than 2+ years ago as all the bales that were making small bales are gone. I have a Ford 6610 she is 82HP and now she is struggling with the bales. I would no longer bring one in on the front loader. Double bale handler at rear usually bring in two unless they are very wet

Thing of using a contractor to bring in and stack bales as I have only 250-300 and I cut in 3 lots. Luckily there is a lad linked to the baler contractor. Will see how it goes as I have a shortish draw and 50-60 bales /hour can be bought in and stacked by contractor. 5 hours at 50-60/hour is 300-360 euro. When they are in the yard I can handle them myself. this is stacking 3 high.

Other thing is I can give a hand the days there is over 100 bales

Tomjim

Bass Reeves wrote: »

2-3 years ago I would have said yes. But round bales in general are 100kgs heavier than 2+ years ago as all the bales that were making small bales are gone. I have a Ford 6610 she is 82HP and now she is struggling with the bales. I would no longer bring one in on the front loader. Double bale handler at rear usually bring in two unless they are very wet

Thing of using a contractor to bring in and stack bales as I have only 250-300 and I cut in 3 lots. Luckily there is a lad linked to the baler contractor. Will see how it goes as I have a shortish draw and 50-60 bales /hour can be bought in and stacked by contractor. 5 hours at 50-60/hour is 300-360 euro. When they are in the yard I can handle them myself. this is stacking 3 high.

Other thing is I can give a hand the days there is over 100 bales

What do other people think?

Can bales be brought in on front loader when silage is being made

Track9

Perhaps this is foolish question.. Would you consider loading unwrapped in field on to a Bale Trailer ( The 8 /10 bale carriers that can be loaded one high with Spike )These trailers selling circa 800 secondhand. Then take to yard & wrap near storage area . Cud then consider using min plastic wrap & incur savings on plastic & no trips back & forth .Two three bales are big load on an 82 HP Tractor.

larthehar

Track9 wrote: »

Perhaps this is foolish question.. Would you consider loading unwrapped in field on to a Bale Trailer ( The 8 /10 bale carriers that can be loaded one high with Spike )These trailers selling circa 800 secondhand. Then take to yard & wrap near storage area . Cud then consider using min plastic wrap & incur savings on plastic & no trips back & forth .Two three bales are big load on an 82 HP Tractor.

We do this but have a long draw (1km) in most cases.. if you have room around the stack it is ideal.. in one yard we wrap around the field and draw on the trailer.. bring 17 at the time with 105hp pony! We only put 6 layers on haylage and wilt everything..

emaherx

Tomjim wrote: »

What do other people think?

Can bales be brought in on front loader when silage is being made

Wouldn't be a fan of doing this. Bale front and back puts a lot of pressure on the centre of tractor as well as front axle. I have seen a 300 series Massey come apart in the middle being used like this.

We usually try to bring home bales unwrapped and wrap beside the stack.

Bass Reeves

Tomjim wrote: »

What do other people think?

Can bales be brought in on front loader when silage is being made

Yes they can provide you have a bigger tractor. I just think with the weight that bales have increased that the frames of 80-90hp tractors are no longer strong enough to handle and they no longer have the hydrulic strenght to handle these bales from the field in and I have a small draw. The pressure on the loader and the front of the tractor is the issue. Most 80-90hp tractors will carry two on the back still provide they are not wet when bales

Track9 wrote: »

Perhaps this is foolish question.. Would you consider loading unwrapped in field on to a Bale Trailer ( The 8 /10 bale carriers that can be loaded one high with Spike )These trailers selling circa 800 secondhand. Then take to yard & wrap near storage area . Cud then consider using min plastic wrap & incur savings on plastic & no trips back & forth .Two three bales are big load on an 82 HP Tractor.

For the increased cost of separate baler handler units increased work of handling bales twice you have a lad paid to draw them in especially if you were carrying a couple on the back yourself and maybe if you had a young lad on a second tractor if you had it carrying one at a time.

I only ever wrap haylage type silage with six wraps in the field. I make sure that all gaps are cut well back ever 3-4 years and trim them with a slash hook and loppers of protruding branches in between.

No need of making things complicated even if you only have a single handler putting bales in pairs will reduce the time a contractor with a double handler is on site for. Or if he is using a bale trailer setting them up in groups to suit his way of handling them.

josephsoap

Bring one wrapped bale on the back and one on the front loader here on a MF 390T

Keep it in High 2 when on the road, but I've a very short draw.

Have thought about buying a double bale handler for it, but 3 bales might be to much for it 😅

9935452

josephsoap wrote: »

Bring one wrapped bale on the back and one on the front loader here on a MF 390T

Keep it in High 2 when on the road, but I've a very short draw.

Have thought about buying a double bale handler for it, but 3 bales might be to much for it ��

AFAIK the 300 series massey has a 2.5 ton lift at the links .
If the bales were wet she might struggle to lift 2 700kg bales.
Dry bales wont be a bother to her though.
They reckon that the more you carry on the back the better it is for the front axel, it takes weight off it.

Another thing is people dont seem to know how much a bale weighs .
There was a lad on here or another forum who had a fusion and a F550 baling in the same field and was weighing them .
People were guessing 7/800kgs .
In reality they were 300/320 kgs as they were dry .

Its when they are wet they can get stupidly heavy . We have a machale wrapper at home . The only time she was struggling to lift a bale up onto the table, (wrapper wheel was coming off the ground) was off a class 46 .
The bale in question was bales in a torential downpour in fresh grass.
We have wrapped after machales , welgers , john deeres , class balers

emaherx

josephsoap wrote: »

Bring one wrapped bale on the back and one on the front loader here on a MF 390T

Keep it in High 2 when on the road, but I've a very short draw.

Have thought about buying a double bale handler for it, but 3 bales might be to much for it 😅

3 might be a bit much but just 2 on the back would be easier on the tractor.

If your loader brackets go to the back axle it will remove most of the stress to the middle of the tractor, but I still wouldn't fancy carrying 3.

Suckler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes they can provide you have a bigger tractor. I just think with the weight that bales have increased that the frames of 80-90hp tractors are no longer strong enough to handle and they no longer have the hydrulic strenght to handle these bales from the field in and I have a small draw. The pressure on the loader and the front of the tractor is the issue. Most 80-90hp tractors will carry two on the back still provide they are not wet when bales

How many tractors are still at 80-90HP as well. They left the factory at 80-90HP but will have undoubtedly lost a few horses over the years.

emaherx

Suckler wrote: »

How many tractors are still at 80-90HP as well. They left the factory at 80-90HP but will have undoubtedly lost a few horses over the years.

That may be true...... But they don't really need all their HP for this task as it is more about their weight and lift capacity. (Of coarse some may be down on lift capacity also.)

josephsoap

emaherx wrote: »

3 might be a bit much but just 2 on the back would be easier on the tractor.

If your loader brackets go to the back axle it will remove most of the stress to the middle of the tractor, but I still wouldn't fancy carrying 3.

Yeah I think the loader brackets go to the back axel.

I have attached an action shot of same 😄

Bass Reeves

Suckler wrote: »

How many tractors are still at 80-90HP as well. They left the factory at 80-90HP but will have undoubtedly lost a few horses over the years.

It is there physical strenght and there capibility to handle these loads. As well tractors in all brackets have reduced in size so there weight to load ratio has reduced. I have a Case CX80 the same chassis is used on the CX100. Not sure if i want to be carrying three bales on such a chassis.

I think you need to be getting up to the next chassis size to handle such bales

Tomjim

the brackets on my loader go to the back axel

Does this mean that I can carry a bale on the front loader and one on the back

Bass Reeves

Tomjim wrote: »

the brackets on my loader go to the back axel

Does this mean that I can carry a bale on the front loader and one on the back

Any decent front loader will be attached to both front block and to the rear axle. In my 6610 it is the same. However when coming inaccross the fiels you can see her bouncing. If your rear linkage can lift two bales on a double handler I much prefer to bring them in like this and use the front loader to just stack them. Time consuming but what can you do.

lakill Farm

larthehar wrote: »

We do this but have a long draw (1km) in most cases.. if you have room around the stack it is ideal.. in one yard we wrap around the field and draw on the trailer.. bring 17 at the time with 105hp pony! We only put 6 layers on haylage and wilt everything..

1 bales with 105hp . whats the pony?

larthehar

lakill Farm wrote: »

1 bales with 105hp . whats the pony?

Valtra N92

larthehar

larthehar wrote: »

Valtra N92

a load on her

lakill Farm

larthehar wrote: »

a load on her

have cx105 mccormick and was thinking 17 bales behind her mind be a push but I might rethink that now.

she has had 13 behind her on a 30ft tri axle low loader and lad who owes low loader told me its over 6t empty

larthehar

lakill Farm wrote: »

have cx105 mccormick and was thinking 17 bales behind her mind be a push but I might rethink that now.

she has had 13 behind her on a 30ft tri axle low loader and lad who owes low loader told me its over 6t empty

Low loaders can be a bit awkward for bales, i think our trailer is 4tons or that.. re pulling power all depends on the ground you have.. we have pulled 20bales of wilted silage on the 30ft trailer behind the 2wd 4255 (95hp) and she managed fine.. flat dry land and only hills on the roads!

yellow50HX

Tomjim wrote: »

Just getting back to this now, I would only be bringing the meal bin on the front loader about 5 times a year.

I would also be using it to bring in approx 280 bales of silage, this would be 140 on back and 140 on front.

Are you saying this would be too hard on a tractor. It is a 4 WD CASE 844

Drawing in 280 bales 2 at a time is madness IMO. Lots of crossing fields not to mention diesel, time, wear on tractor and loader. It ok for a paddock next to the yard but for that amount of silage I can't see the point.

Round here (east cork) the keltec/Wilson and a tango auto wrapper are very popular. I know it's more expensive but we do over 300 a year baled drawn to yard, wrapped and stacked in yard and no damage to plastic. Mow my self and lads have rest of it done in a few hours.

http://www.wilsonengineering.ie/bale-transporters

Muckit

yellow50HX wrote: »

Lots of crossing fields not to mention diesel, time, wear on tractor and loader. It ok for a paddock next to the yard but for that amount of silage I can't see the point

This is the big downside with bales around here over pit. Most contractors have fusions and u draw. A pain if you have no loader and only a single bale carrier even if draw is near. Give me 10acres in a pit any day. And no need to go litterpicking the fields afterwards for cardboard and roll inserts.

Reggie.

Muckit wrote: »

This is the big downside with bales around here over pit. Most contractors have fusions and u draw. A pain if you have no loader and only a single bale carrier even if draw is near. Give me 10acres in a pit any day. And no need to go litterpicking the fields afterwards for cardboard and roll inserts.

I hate the way lads leave the empty rollsand cardboard around the fields

Muckit

yellow50HX wrote: »

Drawing in 280 bales 2 at a time is madness IMO. Lots of crossing fields not to mention diesel, time, wear on tractor and loader. It ok for a paddock next to the yard

Take a 10 acre field. Pit at load/acre that's roughly 20 times in/out the field gap. Now draw in bales off that. With single carrier that's 200 times passing through gate at 10bales/acre. Or 100 times with double handler or a bale back and front. Large area around Gateways and tracks through grazing compacting ground for rest of the year. Bales are a real ball ache if trailers are not used.

tractorporn

Muckit wrote:

This is the big downside with bales around here over pit. Most contractors have fusions and u draw. A pain if you have no loader and only a single bale carrier even if draw is near. Give me 10acres in a pit any day. And no need to go litterpicking the fields afterwards for cardboard and roll inserts.

This is the number one reason why I'll never go away from a pit. Our longest draw is 4 miles. If we bale it it's 6 bales at a time and a full day drawing with pit the lads bring it in ten loads in under 3 hours.

Bass Reeves

Reggie. wrote: »

I hate the way lads leave the empty rollsand cardboard around the fields

never happened with any contractor I used all inserts, clear plastic are dropped back to yard and empty boxes are left in yard.

Farmer_3650

Bass Reeves wrote: »

never happened with any contractor I used all inserts, clear plastic are dropped back to yard and empty boxes are left in yard.

Would be great if they all did that

Bass Reeves

Farmer_3650 wrote: »

Would be great if they all did that

No reason for rubbish like that to be all over the place. Even if not going to yard it could be left at entrance of last field baled. I be saying it to the contractor. It is good housekeeping as they say in other industries.

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

I hate the way lads leave the empty rollsand cardboard around the fields

They would only get one opportunity to do it. I have told the contractor to pull up a young lad for firing plastic bottles out the window in my fields or to not bring him back.