Realistic price for this 152 Passat

digzy

Chap I know is trading in his Passat for a golf. Don't think he's happy with the trade in.He's hoping to sell it privately to yours truly. Just wanted to get an idea from someone in the industry of what I should be paying.

152 2.0 Passat, highline, under 15k miles, sports pack (full leather and upgraded alloys). Metallic paint. Tells me he paid 40k for it new.

kindalen

Probably about 20k. Not in the industry.

vectra

digzy wrote: »

Chap I know is trading in his Passat for a golf. Don't think he's happy with the trade in.He's hoping to sell it privately to yours truly. Just wanted to get an idea from someone in the industry of what I should be paying.

152 2.0 Passat, highline, under 15k miles, sports pack (full leather and upgraded alloys). Metallic paint. Tells me he paid 40k for it new.

If it only has sport pack it didn't cost him 40k.
It would need yo be at least.
High line 2.0 / 150
Sports pack
Business edition.
Plus a few extras
Mine has the above.
Plus heated screen.
And didn't quite hit the 40k.
Mine has less than 21k kms on it right now.

I am trading mine in as well and was not pleased with the offering from vw dealer.
I changed brand.

Is it fair to ask what you are being asked for it?

digzy

vectra wrote: »

If it only has sport pack it didn't cost him 40k.
It would need yo be at least.
High line 2.0 / 150
Sports pack
Business edition.
Plus a few extras
Mine has the above.
Plus heated screen.
And didn't quite hit the 40k.
Mine has less than 21k kms on it right now.

I am trading mine in as well and was not pleased with the offering from vw dealer.
I changed brand.

Is it fair to ask what you are being asked for it?

He's done very little mileage and is trading in for a petrol golf. Looking for €27k

vectra

digzy wrote: »

He's done very little mileage and is trading in for a petrol golf. Looking for €27k

Is it the spec I mentioned above?
Business edition gave
Led heads/ dims plus discover pro nav unit.

digzy

vectra wrote: »

Is it the spec I mentioned above?
Business edition gave
Led heads/ dims plus discover pro nav unit.

It definitely doesn't have sat nav. Tbf it's a cracking car and I think he's mad to trade it in crystallising the depreciation.

digzy

kindalen wrote: »

Probably about 20k. Not in the industry.

Looking at carzone (using the auld 2k rule) it's a bit overpriced. Other highlines that are 161 without the sport pack are asking 26k

Toyotafanboi

digzy wrote: »

He's done very little mileage and is trading in for a petrol golf. Looking for €27k

So he's offered it to you for €27k privately?

Saucey enough. You deep want it for 20k ish as a private purchase. You could buy one anywhere at a dealers with change from €27k.

Bit of a coincidence that a new highline Golf is €27,500. Sounds like he just wants you to cover the cost of the new car for him IMO.

digzy

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

So he's offered it to you for €27k privately?

Saucey enough. You deep want it for 20k ish as a private purchase. You could buy one anywhere at a dealers with change from €27k.

Bit of a coincidence that a new highline Golf is €27,500. Sounds like he just wants you to cover the cost of the new car for him IMO.

What does 20 ish mean? 21, 24, 25?

bazz26

OP, he is doing you no favours @ that price.

Here is the most expensive 152 I could find online and the dealer is asking 27k also. If buying with no trade-in then allow for a straight deal discount and you will get a dealer warranty:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Passat/HL-2.0/1886255392376979706/

Or here is a 162 Highline Business Edition with DSG which you might buy for 30k in a straight deal:
http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1736075&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D93%26o%5B%5D%3D817%26nn%3D12%26yn%3D2016%26yx%3D2016%26g%3D0

road_high

Run a mile OP- plus I'd be loathe to spend that kind of money on a private sale-spending that kind of money it's reassuring to have the back up of a reputable dealer. I do realise it's prob still in warranty but still if it were my money. And it's no bargain

digzy

road_high wrote: »

Run a mile OP- plus I'd be loathe to spend that kind of money on a private sale-spending that kind of money it's reassuring to have the back up of a reputable dealer. I do realise it's prob still in warranty but still if it were my money. And it's no bargain

i actually know the guy and his family very well. He's honest as they come but Obviously it's business too.

Just looking for an indication of a fair price for the car?

road_high

digzy wrote: »

i actually know the guy and his family very well. He's honest as they come but Obviously it's business too.

Just looking for an indication of a fair price for the car?

The old adage "never mix business and friendship" is ringing in my ears. Other people have well pointed out how overpriced the car in relish to similar from MAIN dealers. That's all you need to know, and newish Passats aren't rare

road_high

Also bear in mind OP, even though it presumably has some of its original warranty to run, its highly likely certain things may not be covered anymore after almost 2 years. Audio systems and the like. What happens if stuff like this goes? It won't make a jot of difference if they are honest or not.

Toyotafanboi

Being 152 it'll have 12 months max complete manufacturers warranty remaining.

If you bought it used from a dealer they would put 2 years warranty on it again.

Truckermal

I remember a similar thread here this time last year where a guy purchased a 151 with a way more extras including the Pro Nav, Premium LED lights and panoramic roof for way way less!

digzy

road_high wrote: »

Other people have well pointed out how overpriced the car in relish to similar from MAIN dealers. e

Tbf, if I've managed to post a question here, it's safe to assume I've already used the car sites and know what you'd expect to pay for a similar car from a main dealer! If I was prepared to pay €27k I'd have bought it and not needed to its value here.

My query-which I was hoping might be addressed by someone who'd know what they're talking about- was regarding the value of the car ( 20 ish :rolleyes:) given it's a private sale of a reasonably uncommon type of Passat with a higher spec than most highlines albeit manual transmission with very low mileage, Or even what a garage would value it at if traded in against a new vehicle.

Truckermal

I know the people who have answered you and they know what they are talking about, 27K is mad money! I have a 151 A4 you can give me 27k for that if you want!

Toyotafanboi

I'd offer 20k exactly for the Passat and see how I got on. It's be an ok deal for that price. Any more than that and you may as well go to a dealer and get warranty/ valet/ service/ free coffee etc.

digzy

Truckermal wrote: »

I know the people who have answered you and they know what they are talking about, 27K is mad money! I have a 151 A4 you can give me 27k for that if you want!

To be fair, I haven't a bulls notion of paying that kinda money. It's pretty clear though that the guys overvalueing his car by far too much. There's some gap between 20 & 27.

Toyotafanboi

An unbridgeable gap I'd say.

Zurbaran

21/22 would seem fair to me. He will be offered less by a dealer so you would be doing him a favour whilst you would be getting a decent deal yourself.

mickdw

The way i see it, if you can both play ball, you should both come out of it better than having the dealer involved.
So, call in to a dealer and price similar car for straight sale to you.
Then see what you friend says re trade in offer he got.
If you can buy it for that price off him, he is winning cause he will do alot better on straight sale than going for the trade in against full retail price.
You will be wining too.

road_high

digzy wrote: »

Tbf, if I've managed to post a question here, it's safe to assume I've already used the car sites and know what you'd expect to pay for a similar car from a main dealer! If I was prepared to pay €27k I'd have bought it and not needed to its value here.

My query-which I was hoping might be addressed by someone who'd know what they're talking about- was regarding the value of the car ( 20 ish :rolleyes:) given it's a private sale of a reasonably uncommon type of Passat with a higher spec than most highlines albeit manual transmission with very low mileage, Or even what a garage would value it at if traded in against a new vehicle.

TBF that was far from obvious from the original post
Surely if that was the case the answer was fairly obvious, benchmarked against similar Passat's and taking into account the zero comeback.

And the people talking 20k ish aren't far wrong as a trade in price.

digzy

road_high wrote: »

TBF that was far from obvious from the original post
Surely if that was the case the answer was fairly obvious, benchmarked against similar Passat's and taking into account the zero comeback.

And the people talking 20k ish aren't far wrong as a trade in price.

'the answer is fairly obvious' yet you can't indicate a value yourself about 6 posts later

Casati

mickdw wrote: »

The way i see it, if you can both play ball, you should both come out of it better than having the dealer involved.
So, call in to a dealer and price similar car for straight sale to you.
Then see what you friend says re trade in offer he got.
If you can buy it for that price off him, he is winning cause he will do alot better on straight sale than going for the trade in against full retail price.
You will be wining too.

There is a load of U.K Passats on the market and obviously hurting resale, you'd get an import for well under 20k yourself. I'd say 21k would be a good deal

digzy

Casati wrote: »

There is a load of U.K Passats on the market and obviously hurting resale, you'd get an import for well under 20k yourself. I'd say 21k would be a good deal

I appreciate that. However, I know the history with this particular car. It's tiny mileage but it's still a 2 year old Passat. The local vw garage has a ton of em. Cc, rline, auto...

OH won't drive an automatic unfortunately!

bazz26

VW are also offering 0% finance, deposit contributions and free upgrade tech packs on 172 ones which unfortunately is depressing values of second hand ones.

kindalen

Present owner will find it near impossible to sell car easily for over 20k privately. It sounds like it would be a great buy for you, but remember you are in a very good bargaining position. If you buy it he will not have the hassle of selling privately, if he can....

His other option is to trade it in at an even lesser price.

You know the car and seem to want it. Bargain hard. And good luck.

mikeybrennan

Sounds like he sees a soft touch tbh

Give him a low ball offer above 20k and sit back and wait

digzy

I think the obvious thing to do is call a vw dealer, get a price for a new golf straight with no trade in or finance.

Then I'll introduce the 152 Passat and see the difference then.

I know zilch about pricing cars but to loose over €15k in the space of 2 years is some amount.
He's stupid to sell it.....unless he gets someone stupid enough to pay 27k for it!

road_high

digzy wrote: »

'the answer is fairly obvious' yet you can't indicate a value yourself about 6 posts later

About ten people linked similar same/car to you in the first page!- do you want a repeat?

digzy

road_high wrote: »

About ten people linked similar same/car to you in the first page!- do you want a repeat?

Hasn't stopped you b4.

digzy

Rang a main wv dealer today for a High line golf with metallic paint.

Straight price €29277
Or
€6377 with yer mans car., so valuing it at €23k without any negotiation.

mikeybrennan

I wouldn't get too hung up on one overvalued car.

You'll prob have to wait for him to agree a realistic price

digzy

mikeybrennan wrote: »

I wouldn't get too hung up on one overvalued car.

You'll prob have to wait for him to agree a realistic price

Nah, I'm moving on. There's a fair gap between 27 and the 23 I'd be prepared to pay. Couldn't be arsed with the over and back stuff

vectra

Lots of talk about 152 passats going on hee for 20k
Can someone show a few?
Id be anxious to see some.
I got alot more than that for mine as a trade in.

JoeA3

I don't believe either that you can pick up a 2 year old well spec'd Passat for 20k. If they're out there, show me the link! I'd say dealers are asking 25-26k at least for decent ones.

That said, don't confuse what a dealer is offering you for a car on a trade in as what he is valuing it at. There's a big margin on the new car that he can play with to make your trade in offer seem sweeter.

E.g. new car is 50k RRP. There's 3.5k "room to move" on that - so with cash in hand Joe Soap might get the car for 46.5k.
Joe goes in with his 2 year old car and the dealer says he's offering him 26k for his car as a trade in - a 24k cost to change. Reality is, the dealer has added some or all of the discount he has available on the new car onto the offered trade in price of the old car. If Mr. Soap sells his own privately for > 22.5k he'll be up on the overall deal.

vectra

@ JoeA3
I totally agree with the dealer discount ona new car making the trade in value look a lot more.

But in figures I know I got an excellent deal.
Maybe for others it may not work out so well.

JoeA3

vectra wrote: »

@ JoeA3
I totally agree with the dealer discount ona new car making the trade in value look a lot more.

But in figures I know I got an excellent deal.
Maybe for others it may not work out so well.

Any clues as to what you've bought? I'm guessing blue oval...

EDIT: When I changed car last time, like you I felt I was getting a very good trade in price. I didn't believe for a second that the dealer was really giving me what he said he was but when I did the sums I realised I'd have needed to try and sell the car privately for a very chunky sum in order to make that hassle (dealing with low balling DoneDeal'ers) any way worthwhile.

vectra

JoeA3 wrote: »

Any clues as to what you've bought? I'm guessing blue oval...

Correct.
Now guess color :P

JoeA3

vectra wrote: »

Correct.
Now guess color :P

LOL. Pink!

Looking forward to seeing the pics. I'd be interested in how you find going from VAG (you've had quite a few) to Ford.

vectra

JoeA3 wrote: »

LOL. Pink!

That would have been the wife's choice I'd imagine.
Lol

mossy50

JoeA3 wrote: »

I don't believe either that you can pick up a 2 year old well spec'd Passat for 20k. If they're out there, show me the link! I'd say dealers are asking 25-26k at least for decent ones.

That said, don't confuse what a dealer is offering you for a car on a trade in as what he is valuing it at. There's a big margin on the new car that he can play with to make your trade in offer seem sweeter.

E.g. new car is 50k RRP. There's 3.5k "room to move" on that - so with cash in hand Joe Soap might get the car for 46.5k.
Joe goes in with his 2 year old car and the dealer says he's offering him 26k for his car as a trade in - a 24k cost to change. Reality is, the dealer has added some or all of the discount he has available on the new car onto the offered trade in price of the old car. If Mr. Soap sells his own privately for > 22.5k he'll be up on the overall deal.

HB Dennis has a 2015 2.0 tdi Passat 18990 plenty 1.6s around starting at 17500 check cars ireland

digzy

mossy50 wrote: »

HB Dennis has a 2015 2.0 tdi Passat 18990 plenty 1.6s around starting at 17500 check cars ireland

And over 100k km!

mossy50

digzy wrote: »

And over 100k km!

60k miles peanuts mileage

vectra

vectra wrote: »

..............
I got alot more than that for mine as a trade in.

Ford RRPs have plenty of fat in them, they run promotions twice a year
Save up to €5,000k etc etc so easy for them to give very decent trade in prices
No doubt you figured that out yourself of course.

vectra

Augeo wrote: »

Ford RRPs have plenty of fat in them, they run promotions twice a year
Save up to €5,000k etc etc so easy for them to give very decent trade in prices
No doubt you figured that out yourself of course.

I did indeed figure it out.
I still got a much better deal than with VW dealer.
Got the better deal by a long shot with any other Ford dealer as well. ( well, the 3 other Ford dealers I tried )

The car I spec'd up came to over 42.5k retail.

bennyc

digzy wrote: »

I think the obvious thing to do is call a vw dealer, get a price for a new golf straight with no trade in or finance.

Then I'll introduce the 152 Passat and see the difference then.

I know zilch about pricing cars but to loose over €15k in the space of 2 years is some amount.
He's stupid to sell it.....unless he gets someone stupid enough to pay 27k for it!

If you give him close to 27 you could loose another 15K on it within the next 2 years.

digzy

bennyc wrote: »

If you give him close to 27 you could loose another 15K on it within the next 2 years.

Car sold last week.....must've gotten close to what he wanted!

vectra

digzy wrote: »

Car sold last week.....must've gotten close to what he wanted!

You have a week to buy my one before it goes in to the dealers.