Traffic warden printed but didn't issue ticket..

boardzz

I parked on the street and ran into a business premises and was back within 2-3 minutes.
There was a warden standing beside the car and just as I got into the car I could see the printer printing the ticket.
I drove off before he could place the ticket on my car.

1.
He threw ticket in the bin and scrapped the charge as he didn't have enough time.
2.
He threw ticket in the bin and continues as if the ticket was placed on the car and I just ignored it.

What will happen?

Also would I even have had time to walk to the pay-station and got ticket and went back to car within 2-3 minutes? No.

If I get a notice to say I didn't pay the ticket I will just argue the case in court and tell the judge exactly what happened.

endacl

Tell the judge that you parked without paying? Go for it!

biko

So you see the warden at your car, rush past him/her into your car and screech off? Doesn't sound very mature.

He/she already have all your details. Placing the ticket on your car is immaterial as anyone could remove it anyway.

I'd say you will get a fine in the post.

Dial Hard

boardzz wrote:

I drove off before he could place the ticket on my car.

Yes, that was clearly the most sensible course of action...

Effects

boardzz wrote: »

Also would I even have had time to walk to the pay-station and got ticket and went back to car within 2-3 minutes? No.

Have you some kind of disability? A judge may take pity on you so.

boardzz

biko wrote: »

So you see the warden at your car, rush past him/her into your car and screech off? Doesn't sound very mature.

No that didn't happen. Where did you pick up that from my post?
I was doing what I was going to do anyway but he didn't stop entering my car details into the machine when he saw me going to the car. He tried to rush out the ticket but he didn't have enough time.
How does he know I wasn't gone to the machine to get a ticket within those 2-3 mins. I have often been more time getting a ticket when paying by card as the machines are so slow to connect and accept payment.

boardzz

Effects wrote: »

Have you some kind of disability? A judge may take pity on you so.

No I don't. Have you ever used these machines with a credit or debit card. They take a long time.

Dial Hard

boardzz wrote:

How does he know I wasn't gone to the machine to get a ticket within those 2-3 mins.

Because any reasonable person would have gone up and shown him their valid parking ticket in those circumstances.

boardzz

Dial Hard wrote: »

Because any reasonable person would have gone up and shown him their valid parking ticket in those circumstances.

I've gone to the machine and it won't take credit card payment. I need to walk back and drive away again.
This has happened me before.

My point is the warden did not allow any period of time for any circumstance.

Effects

boardzz wrote: »

No I don't. Have you ever used these machines with a credit or debit card. They take a long time.

Sounds like you need the parking app for your phone.

If the fine arrives by post just pay it. If you get away with it then grand. Simple really.

Wheety

He probably seen you go into the shop.

And you do make it sound like you rushed past him, jumped into your car and drove off. Why not say something?

Zillah

boardzz wrote: »

I've gone to the machine and it won't take credit card payment. I need to walk back and drive away again.

But that's not what happened this time...you parked without paying and then ran off while they were issuing a ticket.

We caught you with blood on your hands!
I've had red paint on my hands before.
But this time it's blood.
Yeah but on previous occasions it was red paint.

boardzz

Effects wrote: »

Sounds like you need the parking app for your phone.

If the fine arrives by post just pay it. If you get away with it then grand. Simple really.

There is no parking app where I parked. Only machines.

My overall point here is. There must be a grace period where they allow people to go to these machines, use them and come back.

boardzz

Wheety wrote: »

He probably seen you go into the shop.

And you do make it sound like you rushed past him, jumped into your car and drove off. Why not say something?

Zillah wrote: »

But that's not what happened this time...you parked without paying and then ran off while they were issuing a ticket.

We caught you with blood on your hands!
I've had red paint on my hands before.
But this time it's blood.
Yeah but on previous occasions it was red paint.

The law can't take this mans presumption of what I was going to do.
I could have been collecting somebody. Going in to get 2 euro off them and then go to machine and get ticket.
At what point does it become illegal?
After a certain time frame or after he makes an assumption of what my business is?

Rulmeq

I always assumed there was a 5 minute grace period for parking (sometimes the machines are a long way away), and I know that others print that you have more - up to 15 minutes in Maynooth for example.

boardzz

Rulmeq wrote: »

I always assumed there was a 5 minute grace period for parking (sometimes the machines are a long way away), and I know that others print that you have more - up to 15 minutes in Maynooth for example.

This is exactly what I'm saying.
I have no problem paying a ticket when it's CLEAR I broke the law but I honestly wouldn't even had time to go to a machine and get a ticket within those 2-3 minutes when paying by card.
If they have the option of using cards on machines that are spread around so far from where people are parked then they need to allow a period of time before printing a ticket.

NOTE: I'm not saying my intention was to get a ticket within a 5 minute period. I'm debating that the warden shouldn't have printed the ticket until it was clear that I had no intention of getting a ticket. ie 5 minutes after he noticed I had no parking paid.

Wildcard7

boardzz wrote: »

There is no parking app where I parked. Only machines.

My overall point here is. There must be a grace period where they allow people to go to these machines, use them and come back.

I'm sure if you walk back from the ticket machine with a ticket in hand the traffic warden will cancel the fine, if he already issued it.
When you walk straight from the shops to your car and speed off that's obviously a different scenario entirely.

How is that hard to understand? You get a "grace period" for buying a ticket only. Not for going to the shops.

Zillah

You're whining that he shouldn't assume you were parking without paying when, in fact, that's exactly what you were doing.

boardzz

I've already gave a number of scenarios where a person may go to a machine and not come back with a ticket and may go into a premises with the intention of going to the pay station immediately after.

Both of these scenarios may also give sufficient time for somebody to park with no intention of paying and leave within the same "grace period".

The same period needs to be there for both situations. This can't be a decision made by what the traffic warden sees or decides within that time.

Wildcard7 wrote: »

I'm sure if you walk back from the ticket machine with a ticket in hand the traffic warden will cancel the fine, if he already issued it.
When you walk straight from the shops to your car and speed off that's obviously a different scenario entirely.

How is that hard to understand? You get a "grace period" for buying a ticket only. Not for going to the shops.

Who decides if I have an intention on paying to park within the "grace period"

Zillah wrote: »

You're whining that he shouldn't assume you were parking without paying when, in fact, that's exactly what you were doing.

I'm debating the facts here, not whining

Wildcard7

There is no such scenario, and there is no room for debate either. After you park, you walk straight to the ticket machine, and you walk back to put the ticket in the car. If you do that, you don't get a fine.

Any other way you risk a ticket. The traffic wardens don't have time to sit by your car and check exactly how long you've been gone and then listen to your excuse to determine whether to fine you or not. THAT would be arbitrary.

Again, what is difficult to understand about that?

Don't buy a ticket when you only pop into a shop for 5 mins, see if I care. We've probably all done it. It's hardly a criminal act. But when you get a fine for intentionally not buying a ticket for f0cks sake just accept that you've been caught and don't try to warp reality in a way that fits you.

boardzz

Wildcard7 wrote: »

There is no such scenario, and there is no room for debate either. After you park, you walk straight to the ticket machine, and you walk back to put the ticket in the car. If you do that, you don't get a fine.

Any other way you risk a ticket. The traffic wardens don't have time to sit by your car and check exactly how long you've been gone and then listen to your excuse to determine whether to fine you or not. THAT would be arbitrary.

Again, what is difficult to understand about that?

Don't buy a ticket when you only pop into a shop for 5 mins, see if I care. We've probably all done it. It's hardly a criminal act. But when you get a fine for intentionally not buying a ticket for f0cks sake just accept that you've been caught and don't try to warp reality in a way that fits you.

You clearly didn't read my posts corrctly or else you can't understand.

ED E

ironclaw

Wildcard7 wrote: »

How is that hard to understand? You get a "grace period" for buying a ticket only. Not for going to the shops.

Actually, you get a grace period on both sides of the ticket in Dublin.

OP, if you really fancy it, get some CCTV and you could easily claim you went to the shop for change if it was in fact 2 to 3 mins. If it was 3 mins, I'd claim out of spite as thats entirely unreasonable. If it was 10 mins, pay the fine if it comes.

Guy:Incognito

boardzz wrote: »

. There must be a grace period where they allow people to go to these machines, use them and come back.

But you didn't go to th machine , so that's irrelevant.

boardzz

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But you didn't go to th machine , so that's irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant?
Who decided I wasn't getting money for the machine?
If there is a period of time where you are allowed before it becomes illegal then you should be able to run up and down the street if you want before getting the ticket. That's why there is a grace period!

You can't assume somebody is going to break the law in advance just because you're 90% sure they are going to do it.

If I was seen walking past one machine because I wanted to go to another machine because I knew the first machine didn't read cards, should the warden take it upon himself to assume?

boardzz

ironclaw wrote: »

Actually, you get a grace period on both sides of the ticket in Dublin.

OP, if you really fancy it, get some CCTV and you could easily claim you went to the shop for change if it was in fact 2 to 3 mins. If it was 3 mins, I'd claim out of spite as thats entirely unreasonable. If it was 10 mins, pay the fine if it comes.

If I get something in the post about this, I actually will request cctv video to prove the times as the timing between getting out of my car and getting back in did not go over 3 minutes.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

boardzz wrote: »

No that didn't happen. Where did you pick up that from my post?
I was doing what I was going to do anyway but he didn't stop entering my car details into the machine when he saw me going to the car. He tried to rush out the ticket but he didn't have enough time.
How does he know I wasn't gone to the machine to get a ticket within those 2-3 mins. I have often been more time getting a ticket when paying by card as the machines are so slow to connect and accept payment.

Because you would have said 'here's my ticket, I was just at the machine getting it'

A judge won't believe the old 'I was only in a shop for 2 or 3 minutes' excuse because you could have been in said shop for 20 minutes.
Bottom line is you parked illegally and you were caught. Running away doesn't negate the issue of the ticket.

amcalester

I've had a traffic warden cancel a ticket when I showed him the ticket I'd just paid for, the nearest machine was broken so it took a little longer than usual to get the it.

No sympathy for you OP.

Tigger

biko wrote: »

So you see the warden at your car, rush past him/her into your car and screech off? Doesn't sound very mature.

He/she already have all your details. Placing the ticket on your car is immaterial as anyone could remove it anyway.

I'd say you will get a fine in the post.

Back in the day you'd grab the book off the warden and throw it in the Liffey

boardzz

Aaliyah Round Robin wrote: »

Because you would have said 'here's my ticket, I was just at the machine getting it'

A judge won't believe the old 'I was only in a shop for 2 or 3 minutes' excuse because you could have been in said shop for 20 minutes.
Bottom line is you parked illegally and you were caught. Running away doesn't negate the issue of the ticket.

amcalester wrote: »

I've had a traffic warden cancel a ticket when I showed him the ticket I'd just paid for, the nearest machine was broken so it took a little longer than usual to get the it.

No sympathy for you OP.

Did either of you read any of the previous posts?

I should be allowed to come back to the car without a ticket and drive off within the grace period for many different reasons that I'm not going to mention again.

Guy:Incognito

boardzz wrote: »

Did either of you read any of the previous posts?

I should be allowed to come back to the car without a ticket and drive off within the grace period for many different reasons that I'm not going to mention again.

The grace period you invented?

boardzz

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The grace period you invented?

So there isn't a grace period? I don't know, that's why I created this thread.
Maybe they do think you should instantly run to a machine to enough coins and return within 2 minutes.

Guy:Incognito

boardzz wrote: »

So there isn't a grace period? I don't know, that's why I created this thread.
Maybe they do think you should instantly run to a machine to enough coins and return within 2 minutes.

You claimed you should be allowed do whatever you like within the grace period, but you don't know whether there is a grace period or not.

At the end of the day, you parked , decided not to pay for parking and got caught.

wonski

boardzz wrote: »

So there isn't a grace period? I don't know, that's why I created this thread.
Maybe they do think you should instantly run to a machine to enough coins and return within 2 minutes.

Even if there is, and generally there is, it is for buying a parking ticket. No ticket - no grace period.

You could just talk to the person instead of driving off anyway.

cml387

Well OP, I must thank you because this has motivated me to sign up for Tipperary E parking.

pippip

I doubt anything would come of it.

In Dublin you do get a grace period depending on District. Blackrock is 15mins before you need a ticket and a further 15 mins after ticket expires. They also photograph the car, with ticket attached, from multiple angles.