Petrol vs diesel

BobMc

Hey Gang, the missus is in the market for a new motor, currently we have a Qashqai 1.2 petrol 151 reg.

At the time we got advice from a few dealers that diesel wasnt for us as such low mileage drivers. the 151 has barely 28000km on it.

We've been out again looking but the advice is changing from the dealers !

Perhaps a sales ploy not too sure. She really wants a Kadjar, but the pertrol Kadjar only comes in lowest spec and is out of contention now. This has been repeated in several models, they have a petrol but lousy specs.

Whats your opinions on deisel vs petrol. We're not big mileage drivers, dont go for long drives at the weekend. Its town driving to work with stop start traffic etc. Not interested in super performance or the speed or pulling power of them, We like nice and comfortable with good reliability

One vehicle that caught our eye with super spec was the new Puegot 3008.

Any advice for us

Kimbot

For the very little driving you are doing and considering its city driving with stop/start then petrol would be the way to go.

biko

Definitely petrol in your case.

grogi

BobMc wrote: »

Any advice for us

For such short journeys, the diesel will not have any edge in fuel economy. But that's it.

If the car you really want only comes in diesel, get the diesel variant.

CeilingFly

14,000 km / year, city driving, no long journeys - any car dealer telling you to go for diesel based on this useage is a dealer to run a mile from as they have absolutley no interest in what is best for you.


This will give one reason why...


Jon Quirk, head of editorial at autotrader.co.uk, says that customer feedback has revealed common problems with diesel cars that specifically spend more than two-thirds of their time in congested, urban areas.
He says: ‘DPFs have a self-cleansing process built into the software of the car, so after a long journey they are meant to regenerate and re-cleanse.
‘However, if the car spends a lot of time performing short journeys, the DPFs can become clogged because the regeneration process doesn't have time to initiate.
‘We’ve heard of numerous national patrols being regularly called out to service cars as a result of particulate filter warning lights illuminating, indicating a partial blockage of the filter, with short distance driving being a contributory factor.’


For this reason, experts are warning drivers who plan to a buy a car for mainly town-based, stop-start driving, to avoid a new diesel.
The AA, for example, says that it is regularly called out to deal with cars with the particulate filter light on - indicating a partial blockage of the filter.
When buying a new or modern used diesel, car hunters must consider that DPFs are expensive to replace, with a typical repair bill costing in the region of £1,000-£3,000 on popular models.

Toyota hybrid?
CHR or RAV4 even.
Driven appropriately on your urban spins that are quite short they'll be very very light on petrol and very quiet.

As you don't seem to keep them long diesel "issues" due to low miles wouldn't be your problem though I expect.

BobMc

The Toyota hybrid CHR is on the list just didnt get to it on saturday. We'd normally keep our cars 5 to 8 yrs. but the Nissan has been a nightmare and we just want rid.

The Hyundai dealer in particular was pretty blase about the dpf filter not giving any trouble on the Tuscon

grogi

BobMc wrote: »

The Toyota hybrid CHR is on the list just didnt get to it on saturday. We'd normally keep our cars 5 to 8 yrs. but the Nissan has been a nightmare and we just want rid.

The Hyundai dealer in particular was pretty blase about the dpf filter not giving any trouble on the Tuscon

Because the newest generation of them is much more robust. AdBlue injection is helping as well by slightly reducing the temperature of soot ignition.

Typically you will also get a message on the dash that the DPF has a few unfinished cycles and needs a bit of driving to clean up.

It is not the DPF that I would worry in a diesel - much more complex fuel system - injectors & fuel pump, higher torque at the crankshaft, dual mass flywheel etc. proved to be source of trouble. But petrol power-trains are not better these days...

marklazarcovic

go hybrid or electric op,far better off

SozBbz

I'm a petrol driver too, and was laughed at for buying one in 2015 by loads of people - like yourselves, I do mostly city driving and I only do a few long journeys per year. Most of my motorway driving is M50 which can also be stop/start.

I really think the tide is turning on diesel though - I wouldnt be surprised if the tax treatment of them changes (or is at least signalled to change) in coming budgets. Many cities in Europe are banning them all together.

I'm considering a new car for next year also, but will be looking at petrols/hybrids. I like hatchbacks (golf, A3, Merc A Class etc) rather than a small SUV but I'll be very disappointed if I can't get decent spec on the car that I want. I don't see myself going full electric in 2018 but maybe with the next car after than in 2021/2022.

BobMc

BobMc wrote: »

The Toyota hybrid CHR is on the list just didnt get to it on saturday. We'd normally keep our cars 5 to 8 yrs................

..defo go hybrid so IMO if the CHR suits ye.

grogi

SozBbz wrote: »

I really think the tide is turning on diesel though - I wouldnt be surprised if the tax treatment of them changes (or is at least signalled to change) in coming budgets. Many cities in Europe are banning them all together.

That is in best case a misunderstanding... Show me one European city that is banning Euro 6 diesels. Or even Euro 5...

SozBbz

grogi wrote: »

That is in best case a misunderstanding... Show me one European city that is banning Euro 6 diesels. Or even Euro 5...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/four-world-capital-cities-to-ban-diesel-vehicles-from-2025-1.2890864

It says all diesels.

It wont happen overnight but I don't want to be left owning a diesel vehicle when the 2nd hand market doesnt want them anymore.

I don't see Dublin banning them any time soon, but I suspect the tax treatment may begin to change.

BobMc

Thanks All for the advice and info --- pretty much confirmed our take on the diesels etc.

Will be having a look the the toyota and comparing then with the 3008 which was my preference at the moment.
It'll be a bit cheaper too than the toyota.

Seems the manufacturers are missing a trick with such low spec petrol models, would it not be difficult for them to make higher spec petrol models ??

grogi

BobMc wrote: »

Seems the manufacturers are missing a trick with such low spec petrol models, would it not be difficult for them to make higher spec petrol models ??

They are made, just not imported here. With the VRT model in Ireland, they are simply to expensive to attract enough buyers to bring high spec petrol cars.

grogi

SozBbz wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/four-world-capital-cities-to-ban-diesel-vehicles-from-2025-1.2890864

It says all diesels.

A classic example of lack of fact checking... London is banning only Euro3 and older (https://www.whatcar.com/news/older-diesel-cars-to-be-charged-for-driving-in-london/). Paris Euro2 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a24894/paris-bans-old-diesel-cars/) and older. I didn't bother checking for Athens and Mexico - but it will be between similar lines.

Nobody in coming 10 years will ban modern diesels from cities while allowing petrol cars in. They might ban all ICE cars though, allowing only electrics in.

biko

Stop about the potential daysel ban please.

OP knows that diesel is the worst option for them so no need to rehash it in this thread.

mloc123

Is diesel a bad option for the OP? They want a specific model/spec which is only available in diesel.. based on what they are trading in they will keep the car 2-3 years I assume.

So where is the issue? The will not have to worry about DMF/DPF problems before trading in again, they will probably save a little on fuel and servicing costs for the millage they do will be small. It will probably hold its value better.. this being Ireland.

I am all for petrol, I prefer it... I like that they do not sound like a tractor but if you have no interest in performance etc.. like the OP mentions just buy whichever fuel type is available in the spec you want.

bazz26

OP, have a look at the Kia Niro too, it's a hybrid and available with various trim levels.

BobMc

not heard of the Niro we'll be checkig that out too

Idbatterim

I really think the tide is turning on diesel though - I wouldnt be surprised if the tax treatment of them changes (or is at least signalled to change) in coming budgets. Many cities in Europe are banning them all together.

potentially for new diesels, like the changes in 2008. But there is no way our spineless government will do anything remotely drastic to current taxation, certainly not on the lower bands, which the vast vast majority are on...

anyone whos is buying a new car and concern is the pocket change motor tax that might increase fractionally v the actually significant depreciation and pcp or loan interest etc, is mad.

At most what I could see them doing, is a change to rates for new diesels, to make the motor tax enough, that only people doing enough mileage to warrant a diesel, would buy them...

Sam Russell

The Seat Ateca is available in higher spec with petrol. The Ateca Excellance 1.4 TSI 150 hp is about €31k.

Might be worth looking at. Similar to the Qashqai in size - not sure about price.