Crashed UK cars coming into Ireland

Aska

I was coming home on the Liverpool / Dublin ferry last night and the truck in front had 8 damaged cars, nothing too extreme like roll overs etc. but what is the story behind these imports? are they going to be reregistered over here and fixed up and sold on? they looked to good to me to be ready for the breakers yard, the Sportage on the back was a 16 reg. Anybody any insight in to these imports.

MonkieSocks

Have a look here

https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

Atlantic Dawn

Probably to be fixed up and resold to some suckers.

RustyNut

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Probably to be fixed up and resold to some suckers.

And loose a few miles on the boat as well.

NIMAN

Maybe they have been bought by a scrap yard?

Irish Steve

A number of Irish dismantlers are taking in write off's from the UK, as they can get very good money here for the parts (engines, gearboxes etc) that are usually undamaged, and the cost of them, even with the transport, is a lot less than they are having to pay for Irish write off's, and a user looking for used parts neither knows or cares if it came from the UK or Ireland, they just want the cheapest way to get their car back on the road.

Mintoe

Aska wrote: »

I was coming home on the Liverpool / Dublin ferry last night and the truck in front had 8 damaged cars, nothing too extreme like roll overs etc. but what is the story behind these imports? are they going to be reregistered over here and fixed up and sold on? they looked to good to me to be ready for the breakers yard, the Sportage on the back was a 16 reg. Anybody any insight in to these imports.

A large unnamed salvage auction company are bringing in uk cat c's & d's and selling them..... most end up being repaired and sold to unsuspecting new owners..... what's on that transporter ain't gonna be sold for parts that's for sure....

Old Perry

Aska wrote: »

I was coming home on the Liverpool / Dublin ferry last night and the truck in front had 8 damaged cars, nothing too extreme like roll overs etc. but what is the story behind these imports? are they going to be reregistered over here and fixed up and sold on? they looked to good to me to be ready for the breakers yard, the Sportage on the back was a 16 reg. Anybody any insight in to these imports.

I work in Dublin and live outside and regularly pass carriers with cars all yellow reg damaged cars heading out midlands or west.

bazz26

Buy Cat D/Cat C damaged cars from UK auctions on the cheap, then repair them over here and sell them on at nearly full price to unsuspecting buyers who don't want to spend €30 on a comprehensive history check.

mikeybrennan

is there no law against declaring the damage

surely that loophole needs to be closed

bennyineire

mikeybrennan wrote: »

is there no law against declaring the damage

surely that loophole needs to be closed

If you do a cartel check it will come up, simple solution right there

mikeybrennan

bennyineire wrote: »

If you do a cartel check it will come up, simple solution right there

ya I forgot this is the motor trade

every man for himself

boardsuser1

bennyineire wrote: »

If you do a cartel check it will come up, simple solution right there

Spot on.

Done a cartell check last year on a 2008 Seat Leon that was a UK import.

The ad looked great, car even better.

Cost was €8000.

I rang the seller and said is everything ok with it, he assured me it was all good.

So just to be safe i did a cartell check.

It was a category D write off.

When i challenged the seller he said 'Oh yeah it was only the bumper'

I find it odd why a car would be written off over a phone number

It's a black 2008 Leon, i won't give the full reg, but it is 08-D-126***

Toyotafanboi

Is there something wrong with fixing cosmetic repairs and reselling cars?

They wouldn't be my first choice personally but none of the cars on that truck look like death traps or anything.

Mintoe

bennyineire wrote: »

If you do a cartel check it will come up, simple solution right there

All UK write offs show on any history check not just cartell..... ITS JUST A SHAME THE ALL IRISH WRITE OFFS WONT BE ON EVERY HISTORY CHECK, sone history check companies are better than others

challengemaster

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is there something wrong with fixing cosmetic repairs and reselling cars?

They wouldn't be my first choice personally but none of the cars on that truck look like death traps or anything.

Considering the state of most Irish owned vehicles on the road, I'd be willing to bet most people wouldn't care as long as it looked and worked fine when they got it and was safe to be on the road.

Mintoe

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is there something wrong with fixing cosmetic repairs and reselling cars?

They wouldn't be my first choice personally but none of the cars on that truck look like death traps or anything.

The Peugeot is a cat c and the Kia is a cat d..... this automatically makes them worth 20-25% less even if repaired with o.e. parts and not every insurer will cover them, some will with an engineers report...... private sale = buyer beware, sold by dealer = legally dealer must volunteer info relating to write off category but unfortunately lots don't

wonski

Irish Steve wrote: »

A number of Irish dismantlers are taking in write off's from the UK, as they can get very good money here for the parts (engines, gearboxes etc) that are usually undamaged, and the cost of them, even with the transport, is a lot less than they are having to pay for Irish write off's, and a user looking for used parts neither knows or cares if it came from the UK or Ireland, they just want the cheapest way to get their car back on the road.

Correct. I bought entire gearbox in the past from UK delivered to my doorstep for half of what I was asked to pay here.

Calipers I also ordered from UK at fraction of local prices.

Just a week ago was asked to pay 150-180 for a throttle body until one scrapyard from Wicklow sent it to me for 60.

I found that there is a shortage of used parts here. Scrap yards look big, but when you look for something specific it is often unavailable or in worse state than your own part that you want to replace.

Mintoe

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is there something wrong with fixing cosmetic repairs and reselling cars?

They wouldn't be my first choice personally but none of the cars on that truck look like death traps or anything.

Cat d can often be minor damage but cat c is always significant damage but not dangerous or major structural

Mintoe

wonski wrote: »

Correct. I bought entire gearbox in the past from UK delivered to my doorstep for half of what I was asked to pay here.

Calipers I also ordered from UK at fraction of local prices.

Just a week ago was asked to pay 150-180 for a throttle body until one scrapyard from Wicklow sent it to me for 60.

I found that there is a shortage of used parts here. Scrap yards look big, but when you look for something specific it is often unavailable or in worse state than your own part that you want to replace.

Simple economies of scale, UK 2nd hand parts market is just so much bigger..... more availability = lower prices

Vic_08

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is there something wrong with fixing cosmetic repairs and reselling cars?

Not if you are honest about their history.

When's the last time you saw an ad for a second hand import stating the car had been an insurance write-off in UK?

This isn't a car repair business, it's a pass a previously damaged car off as a clean one to fraudulently increase it's apparent value, scumbag Irish motor trade at it's best.

challengemaster

Vic_08 wrote: »

When's the last time you saw an ad for a second hand import stating the car had been an insurance write-off in UK?

When was the last time you saw an ad for an Irish car being honest about any accidents or crashes it was in either?

Toyotafanboi

challengemaster wrote: »

Considering the state of most Irish owned vehicles on the road, I'd be willing to bet most people wouldn't care as long as it looked and worked fine when they got it and was safe to be on the road.

I'd agree with that

Vic_08 wrote: »

This isn't a car repair business, it's a pass a previously damaged car off as a clean one to fraudulently increase it's apparent value, scumbag Irish motor trade at it's best.

It's a bit like buying stolen goods though, the buyer is as bad as the thief. If the consumer market is lapping up the product, why would the supplier change its source?

Any upheaval in the "scumbag" Irish motor industry will have to come from the consumer pushing for better quality stock.

As stated above, if the car looks ok, goes ok and is safe to drive, most people care no further than that and to an extent I suppose why should they?

Panjandrums

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bazz26

Panjandrums wrote: »

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You seem to be missing the point. The cars could be perfectly repaired and never give a day's bother to their new owner or they could equally be poorly repaired but the point is that there is a strong probability that they maybe sold to their new owner without any upfront disclosure of that crash/repair history by the seller which at the very least impacts their resale value.

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Henry Ford III

Lots of cheap and suspect imports are in the country now. Many drivers will "take a chance" if the price is right.

mullingar

I'd have no problem with a cat D car. This damage would be purely cosmetic, no structural or major parts (eg airbags).

Basically :
Cat A = fit for being crushed only, no parts. (eg fire damage)
Cat B = complete write off with structural damage, parts available for second hand market. (roof cut off etc)
Cat C = no structural damage, but requires major repairs, eg airbag kits, dashboards, fixed body panels to be pulled
Cat D = no structural damage, requires minor parts such as bolt-on bits (eg bumper/wing/bonnet/lights etc)

James Bond Junior

Panjandrums wrote: »

I understood the point, I just didn't fully agree with it.The vast majority of private sales are less than 10k euro on Done deal (35000\40000) and 30000 out of 40000 are for less than 5000 euro.
A person purchases a car privately for 5000 euro then 2 years later wants to sell for 3000, I don't think a Cat D or Cat C is going to have a considerable negative on the value of the car.

I find it unlikely that someone would purchase a car privately for circa 10k without a history check.

Dealers are another kettle of fish but has anyone personally witnessed a dealer selling a written off car to an unsuspecting customer?

There is a dealer on the ballysimon road in Limerick who has a large amount of high end cars for sale in this manner. They are fixed in a local crash repair place and then sent up to be sold. They are not disclosing these details. I'm not going into the details on a public forum but anybody who thinks this doesn't happen is very naive.

Del2005

bazz26 wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point. The cars could be perfectly repaired and never give a day's bother to their new owner or they could equally be poorly repaired but the point is that there is a strong probability that they maybe sold to their new owner without any upfront disclosure of that crash/repair history by the seller which at the very least impacts their resale value.

Plenty of new cars get damaged in transit and are repaired and sold without the owner being informed. At least with the UK imports its relatively easy to find out if a vehicle is damage repaired when buying new it's impossible to know.

Toyotafanboi

Generally, new cars damaged in transit is very light damage that PDR or SMART repairs can sort. Small bumper scuffs and door dings.

You don't see many new cars CAT C or D damaged in transit needing new panels etc.

bazz26

Del2005 wrote: »

Plenty of new cars get damaged in transit and are repaired and sold without the owner being informed. At least with the UK imports its relatively easy to find out if a vehicle is damage repaired when buying new it's impossible to know.

There is no comparison between new cars getting a bit of damage getting on or off a transporter/ship and cars being involved in a crash.

Isambard

Mintoe wrote: »

All UK write offs show on any history check not just cartell..... ITS JUST A SHAME THE ALL IRISH WRITE OFFS WONT BE ON EVERY HISTORY CHECK, sone history check companies are better than others

there is nothing to compel an owner to declare his car is a write off. These may not have even been c or d, just accident damaged.

testicles

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Eric Cartman

mullingar wrote: »

I'd have no problem with a cat D car. This damage would be purely cosmetic, no structural or major parts (eg airbags).

Basically :
Cat A = fit for being crushed only, no parts. (eg fire damage)
Cat B = complete write off with structural damage, parts available for second hand market. (roof cut off etc)
Cat C = no structural damage, but requires major repairs, eg airbag kits, dashboards, fixed body panels to be pulled
Cat D = no structural damage, requires minor parts such as bolt-on bits (eg bumper/wing/bonnet/lights etc)

Cat C is the one that would worry me most. Airbags are expensive, little circuits that emulate them are not. It wouldn't shock me if there was actually nothing behind the wheel / dash. Any car that had previously had an airbag deployment would be of concern to me.

James Bond Junior

testicles wrote: »

Stephen will be onto you with a solicitor's letter Mr. Bond...

Black and WHITE!

mikeecho

bazz26 wrote: »

There is no comparison between new cars getting a bit of damage getting on or off a transporter/ship and cars being involved in a crash.

Hang around the marina in cork, and look at the new fords parked up waiting to be repaired. Some of it would scare you off buying a new car.

I was told by a guy that works for ford that every.. and i mean every mustang that came into Ireland that was built in the US had to have its rear bumper realigned... but that's just shoddy workmanship