Selling horned animals in the mart

clonagh

Hi All,
Can horned animals be sold in the mart? I've a heifer that won't be factory fit and I want to sell her, can she go through the mart system?
Thanks.

Sam Kade

No even though you'd see some people chancing it depending on the Mart.

clonagh

Yeah, I've noticed that too but was always told you can't do it.

Muckit

A halter and saw wire are your best bet.

Attie

Clonagh see mart manager they will advise you.

clonagh

Thanks fellas.

_Brian

Ther seem to be sold in every mart.

Our local mart they are all penned out the back. All brought through at the end.

Bleating Lamb

If it's a weekday mart that you intend selling in there is a much greater likelihood that a Dept of Agriculture Official might pop in for a look around.

Not that for one second I am condoning the sale of animals with horns but it might actually be very stressful on an older animal trying to dehorn them.

tanko

Don't dehorn an older animal at this time of year whatever you do.
See plenty of animals with horns sold in marts around here.

Mooooo

Sell thru DoneDeal?

clonagh

tanko wrote: »

Don't dehorn an older animal at this time of year whatever you do.
See plenty of animals with horns sold in marts around here.

I won't, she too strong to skull at this stage anyway.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sam Kade wrote: »

No even though you'd see some people chancing it depending on the Mart.

You can sell them but they have to be penned separately and brought through last of their section.

You will find it hard to sell them at busy times as each farmers horned cattle have to be kept in their own pens and space won't be available at peak sales times.

bogman_bass

If there is a bank holiday Monday sale they tend to come out of the woodwork then

greysides

Just so we are clear on the legalities.....

For cattle over 28 days of age, and sheep and goats over 8 days of age, only a Veterinary Practitioner may disbud / dehorn, and in this case the Veterinary Practitioner must by law, use appropriate anaesthesia and analgesia.

_Brian

greysides wrote: »

Just so we are clear on the legalities.....

For cattle over 28 days of age, and sheep and goats over 8 days of age, only a Veterinary Practitioner may disbud / dehorn, and in this case the Veterinary Practitioner must by law, use appropriate anaesthesia and analgesia.

Wow, I had no idea of that at all
Cheers.

kowtow

greysides wrote: »

Just so we are clear on the legalities.....

For cattle over 28 days of age, and sheep and goats over 8 days of age, only a Veterinary Practitioner may disbud / dehorn, and in this case the Veterinary Practitioner must by law, use appropriate anaesthesia and analgesia.

I'm not disagreeing for one moment, but the current Teagasc document contains only the following. I always use a local anesthetic in any event but often calves will be more than two weeks - do I need a vet present after four?

Disbudding of calves is carried out to comply with
Regulations under the Diseases of Animals Act, (1966) which
prohibits the sale or export of horned animals. Disbudding
procedures must be carried out in compliance with the
Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act (1965).
Currently the legislation concerning dehorning of cattle
requires that once calves are over two weeks of age
disbudding may only be performed using with local
anaesthesia. It is illegal to disbud a calf over two weeks
old without using a local anaesthetic.
• Veterinary advice is that all calves should be treated
with a local anaesthetic when disbudding.
• Local anaesthetic may be obtained on prescription
from veterinary surgeons.
• Disbudding calves correctly is unlikely to produce
regrowth/’stumps’ preventing welfare problems and
possible rejection at marts later in life.
• Cattle cannot be marketed with horns. Marts will be guided
by the document “Dealing with horns on cattle best
practice” when accepting or rejecting animals for sale.
http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/animal
healthwelfare/animalwelfare/horned_cattle_best_practice.pd

Base price

kowtow wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing for one moment, but the current Teagasc document contains only the following. I always use a local anesthetic in any event but often calves will be more than two weeks - do I need a vet present after four?

The legislation quoted by Teagasc has been superseded by the animal health and welfare (operations and procedures) regulations 2014.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/legislation/statutoryinstruments2014/SI127of2014.pdf

kowtow

Base price wrote: »

The legislation quoted by Teagasc has been superseded by the animal health and welfare (operations and procedures) regulations 2014.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/legislation/statutoryinstruments2014/SI127of2014.pdf

Thanks for that!

A friend of mine swears by sedating calves prior to a local anesthetic - the problem of course is that you need to restrain the calves to inject the local and then wait which makes the whole process even more testing on man & beast.

Since you need a vet to sedate anyway and if you now need a vet at 28 days plus (local or not) it's almost worth going the whole hog and getting the vet to come and help make the best job of it.

Mooooo

No need to sedate prior to local, get a vet to show you where to put the local, a hollow area below the horn. Give the calves the local then go to the first calf again to dehorn. Local makes job much easier. If calves are over the month then get the vet

Base price

Here is a link showing the site of the "V" on a calf where the anesthetic is injected into.
http://www.nadis.org.uk/bulletins/disbudding-calves.aspx