Ifa grain protest

The part time boy

Can someone please explain What's going on cause as I may not know what going on but it looks stupid .

First off It 10 months sense the bad harvest . Yes I know there still unpaid bills out there but why have they waited this long to do something like this .

Also if the department are going pay compensation for crops lost how will they know who lost what It a 10 months ago. Or they looking for a flat fee across the board to all tillage farmers which is not a good idea tbh

carrollsno1

The part time boy wrote: »

Can someone please explain What's going on cause as I may not know what going on but it looks stupid .

First off It 10 months sense the bad harvest . Yes I know there still unpaid bills out there but why have they waited this long to do something like this .

Also if the department are going pay compensation for crops lost how will they know who lost what It a 10 months ago. Or they looking for a flat fee across the board to all tillage farmers which is not a good idea tbh

All i can see is typical tillage farmer f#ck all to be at only whinge if they cant make money from it any year why havent they gotten out already 🀔?

Username John

carrollsno1 wrote: »

All i can see is typical tillage farmer f#ck all to be at only whinge if they cant make money from it any year why havent they gotten out already 🀔?

Sure you could say that about any and ever farmer...

Tell me Carrolls - when you went to give back your SFP, you know, the free money you get from the EU, did you have any bother?

ganmo

It's more of a protest about the fact the compensation they were offered was paultry compared to what the dairy lads got a few months before for a predictable price drop

carrollsno1

Username John wrote: »

Sure you could say that about any and ever farmer...

Tell me Carrolls - when you went to give back your SFP, you know, the free money you get from the EU, did you have any bother?

Part time beef farming is whats facing me at home no real interest in that probably have to lease a farm to milk cows off of and give the farm owner the SFP in the rent so i woild rather see it go back to europe in that case. Imho SFP is holding back young farmers and is holding the potential of a lot of farms back as tis handy money for having a few fancy bullocks run around the fields by the road. The problem in Ireland i think is that a lot of the farmers of a certain generation have to much money. Another thing to look at is those tillage farmers have done f#ck all over the last year in terms of work load come on men go get a job like, tillage would be ideal for part time farming.

pedigree 6

ganmo wrote: »

It's more of a protest about the fact the compensation they were offered was paultry compared to what the dairy lads got a few months before for a predictable price drop

They're looking for a maximum of e15.000 not the e5,000 currently offered.

I'm a dairy lad. The dairy compensation scheme that the French farmers covered the place in sh1te for gave me 1600 (I think?). It didn't do much at the time for me to remember it exactly.:rolleyes:

Don't want this to turn into a dairy v's tillage thread but those are the facts as far as I can see.

blue5000

ganmo wrote: »

It's more of a protest about the fact the compensation they were offered was paultry compared to what the dairy lads got a few months before for a predictable price drop

Not really following it but I think that's it, they were talking about 15k compo, now it's down to 5k.

The part time boy

Flat fee to everyone ?

That bit stupid tbh. Some people lost all there crops In some fields . Some it was a salvage job might have got a ton per acre of it. They should get compensated.

However even though price is not great for 3 years some people got good crops last year . They should not be treated the same as someone who lost a field

Waffletraktor

pedigree 6 wrote: »

They're looking for a maximum of e15.000 not the e5,000 currently offered.

I'm a dairy lad. The dairy compensation scheme that the French farmers covered the place in sh1te for gave me 1600 (I think?). It didn't do much at the time for me to remember it exactly.:rolleyes:

Don't want this to turn into a dairy v's tillage thread but those are the facts as far as I can see.

I would hazard a guess that making eu dairy inventory disappear into storage helped more than your ski holiday.

pedigree 6

Waffletraktor wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that making eu dairy inventory disappear into storage helped more than your ski holiday.

Ah that was only Mahoney and Timmaay going skiing and that endearing phrase came into use then from a certain French aristocrat.

Intervention, full of French and Belgian crap milk powder that no one would buy.:p

(right i'm blocking myself off this thread now because these things and this thread won't end well).

Good luck to em anyway but my own personal opinion is farmers in general need to stop looking for aid although I may become a hypocrite in the next year.

Waffletraktor

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Ah that was only Mahoney and Timmaay going skiing and that endearing phrase came into use then from a certain French aristocrat.

Intervention, full of French and Belgian crap milk powder that no one would buy.:p

(right i'm blocking myself off this thread now because these things and this thread won't end well).

Good luck to em anyway but my own personal opinion is farmers in general need to stop looking for aid although I may become a hypocrite in the next year.

I wouldnt get too upset if guys can't see the longterm for crops in Ireland is either high value human consumption/seeds or on fodder contracts for dairy that can't grow all their feed it's not your problem.
Wheat will become ungrowable with septoria, ramularia is becoming an issue in barley. Added in the fact companies simply won't bring new disease products to the market there as the last 2 big breakdowns in wheat came in Ireland first.

rangler1

I see henry Burns and Ger bergin up there keeping up their profile.
Don't see that many tillage farmers at it so they mustn't be too badly affected

ganmo

In the states they've a crop insurance system where they're gaurenteed a minimum price and yield. It sounds like a fudge to me

TillageMan

carrollsno1 wrote: »

All i can see is typical tillage farmer f#ck all to be at only whinge if they cant make money from it any year why havent they gotten out already 🀔?

The IFA don't represent tillage farmers. The one year we needed help was 2009 when grain was on the floor and weather was a disaster? If I remember correctly yee were the ones moaning and whinging that year and they were off representing dairy farmers. We have the best climate here in Ireland for tillage farming and we are on par with New Zealand for achieving world record yields. My friend Grain is only going one way at the moment and straw is being snapped up already making at least €100 acre on flat in my area. I wonder who will be whinging in 2 months time.
I average 11.5-12tons/ha winter barley and between 12-13tons/ha in winter wheat so I'm making money from tillage farming and before you say it I don't own much land nearly all leased. I can afford to change my Fendt every 2-3 years. The tillage farmer is great for the local economy because he actually spends money when he makes money.

ganmo

TillageMan wrote: »

The IFA don't represent tillage farmers. The one year we needed help was 2009 when grain was on the floor and weather was a disaster? If I remember correctly yee were the ones moaning and whinging that year and they were off representing dairy farmers. We have the best climate here in Ireland for tillage farming and we are on par with New Zealand for achieving world record yields. My friend Grain is only going one way at the moment and straw is being snapped up already making at least €100 acre on flat in my area. I wonder who will be whinging in 2 months time.
I average 11.5-12tons/ha winter barley and between 12-13tons/ha in winter wheat so I'm making money from tillage farming and before you say it I don't own much land nearly all leased. I can afford to change my Fendt every 2-3 years. The tillage farmer is great for the local economy because he actually spends money when he makes money.

Is there any other tillage representation group? I know there's the grain traders association but I thought it was for feed mills etc

TillageMan

ganmo wrote: »

Is there any other tillage representation group? I know there's the grain traders association but I thought it was for feed mills etc

The Irish Grain Growers Group are the only group at present and they are doing a good job but only getting started.

Grueller

Welcome aboard tillage man.
To be honest this sector against sector scutter helps nobody. If a promise of money has been reneged on there needs to be action, regardless of whether anyone thinks the methodology used to divide the money was equitable or not.

carrollsno1

TillageMan wrote: »

The IFA don't represent tillage farmers. The one year we needed help was 2009 when grain was on the floor and weather was a disaster? If I remember correctly yee were the ones moaning and whinging that year and they were off representing dairy farmers. We have the best climate here in Ireland for tillage farming and we are on par with New Zealand for achieving world record yields. My friend Grain is only going one way at the moment and straw is being snapped up already making at least €100 acre on flat in my area. I wonder who will be whinging in 2 months time.
I average 11.5-12tons/ha winter barley and between 12-13tons/ha in winter wheat so I'm making money from tillage farming and before you say it I don't own much land nearly all leased. I can afford to change my Fendt every 2-3 years. The tillage farmer is great for the local economy because he actually spends money when he makes money.

Were not dairy farmers well not yet anyway. So because you buy a big f#ck off tractor you think your putting more money back in to the local economy? What about the farmers paying contractors? Relief milkers? Buying feed and fertiliser in the co-ops? Vet bills?

TillageMan

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Were not dairy farmers well not yet anyway. So because you buy a big f#ck off tractor you think your putting more money back in to the local economy? What about the farmers paying contractors? Relief milkers? Buying feed and fertiliser in the co-ops? Vet bills?

I referenced the tractor as a example because you said there was no money in tillage. The tillage farmer has the largest spend with their merchant for agri inputs, spends more with his diesel supplier, spends more in the machinery trade whether that's parts or pieces of machinery. The tillage sector also employs additional labour and uses agri contractors so I don't see your point. The tillage sector has had to contend with volatile prices for over 12 years we know how to many risk grow by growing a variety of different crops and by forward selling our Grain throughout the year. The same can't be said about the dairy sector, prices fell below 30c a litre last year and every dairy farmer in the country got relief money. What's going to happen when milk falls below 20c litre again and it will happen. The tillage sector is one of a few sectors that's carbon positive with activities such as minimum tillage, cover crops, buffer strips, EFA areas. Our sector is being used to piggy back the expansion in cow numbers. What are dairy farmers going to do with the excess nitrogen and phosphorus produced?
Remember this farming is cyclical. In my opinion the dairy industry is like the new Celtic tiger property sector and we all know how that ended.

ganmo

TillageMan wrote: »

I referenced the tractor as a example because you said there was no money in tillage. The tillage farmer has the largest spend with their merchant for agri inputs, spends more with his diesel supplier, spends more in the machinery trade whether that's parts or pieces of machinery. The tillage sector also employs additional labour and uses agri contractors so I don't see your point. The tillage sector has had to contend with volatile prices for over 12 years we know how to many risk grow by growing a variety of different crops and by forward selling our Grain throughout the year. The same can't be said about the dairy sector, prices fell below 30c a litre last year and every dairy farmer in the country got relief money. What's going to happen when milk falls below 20c litre again and it will happen. The tillage sector is one of a few sectors that's carbon positive with activities such as minimum tillage, cover crops, buffer strips, EFA areas. Our sector is being used to piggy back the expansion in cow numbers. What are dairy farmers going to do with the excess nitrogen and phosphorus produced?
Remember this farming is cyclical. In my opinion the dairy industry is like the new Celtic tiger property sector and we all know how that ended.

Very good post

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