bathroom refit cost

amorgan

hi guys,

i'm looking to totally refit an upstairs bathroom at the moment and i'm just looking for what i can expect cost wise. the room measures 180cm x 264cm approx. (71 x 104 inches)

it's currently got a separate bath and shower which i would like to keep but possibly reposition depending on cost. i'd be looking for not much tiling ideally, to keep the cost down. maybe just the shower, floor and a row around the bath to protect walls.

i visited a showroom this morning who quoted me a minimum 6-7k including removal, disposal and all plumbing/tiling. this seems quite steep to me. any advice would be great!

Sleeper12

amorgan wrote:

i visited a showroom this morning who quoted me a minimum 6-7k including removal, disposal and all plumbing/tiling. this seems quite steep to me. any advice would be great!

A bathroom is the most expensive room in the house for a refit considering itself size.
It's more important to make sure that you get good tradesmen. And lot of bathroom shops actually don't use plumber at all. A lot don't use electricians for the electric work when in fact by law only a REC can do any electrical work in the bathroom. This includes changing a bulb believe it or not. Electrician must provide you with a certificate when finished.
Personally I'd get a recommended plumber, tiler, electrician etc. Not recommended as in oh my mate is a plumber. Recommended by friends and family for the quality of work and how quick they were willing to come back for little issues.

BrokenArrows

amorgan wrote: »

hi guys,

i'm looking to totally refit an upstairs bathroom at the moment and i'm just looking for what i can expect cost wise. the room measures 180cm x 264cm approx. (71 x 104 inches)

it's currently got a separate bath and shower which i would like to keep but possibly reposition depending on cost. i'd be looking for not much tiling ideally, to keep the cost down. maybe just the shower, floor and a row around the bath to protect walls.

i visited a showroom this morning who quoted me a minimum 6-7k including removal, disposal and all plumbing/tiling. this seems quite steep to me. any advice would be great!

So all you want to do is move the bath and shower and to put some new tiles in and paint the rest?

6-7k is taking the piss, seriously.

What exactly did this estimate involve?

The things which will make this job complicated or not will be the location and availability of the plumbing. If its easy to access and move then its an easy job.

Ripping out the old shower will probably be a pain in the ass depending on how its fitted.

van_beano

Paid €3500 for the same length and width room to yours last month, in Dublin, only difference is there's no bath and just a square area for the shower. It's an ensuite.

Got the old toilet, sink, tiles and shower pulled out. under floor pipes were redone as the original pipes were housed in a box above floor level. Replaced everything again and had the shower area and ensuite floor tiled. Also had a radiator piped into there (no previous rad there). There was a new electric shower connected here (previously an immersion shower). I already have an electric shower in the main bathroom so there was a new electrical box beside fuse box connected to stop the showers being used at the same time.

I was quoted about €6k by another company we found at the Ideal Homes expo for the same job. Shop around.

Sleepy

Even on a budget, you won't get much change from 4k for a bathroom that size I wouldn't think. There's a huge disparity in the prices of the fittings as well. You can get a set of taps for a wash hand basin for €40 or €400 so keep a close eye on your spec.

BrokenArrows

shopping around is key. For your 6-7k original quote id expect them to gut the entire bathroom and kit it out with brand new bath, shower, sink, radiator, plumb and tile the whole place as well as fit any fixtures you have (towel rack, toilet role holder, hang mirrors etc) and still have some change left over.

Calahonda52

BrokenArrows wrote: »

shopping around is key. For your 6-7k original quote id expect them to gut the entire bathroom and kit it out with brand new bath, shower, sink, radiator, plumb and tile the whole place as well as fit any fixtures you have (towel rack, toilet role holder, hang mirrors etc) and still have some change left over.

Exactly!
OP I posted some prices here recently on such a project, go look

amorgan

BrokenArrows wrote: »

So all you want to do is move the bath and shower and to put some new tiles in and paint the rest?

6-7k is taking the piss, seriously.

What exactly did this estimate involve?

The things which will make this job complicated or not will be the location and availability of the plumbing. If its easy to access and move then its an easy job.

Ripping out the old shower will probably be a pain in the ass depending on how its fitted.

that's pretty much all i need. she didn't go in to detail, but she was saying there's no way they'd do anything for any lower. judging by the replies here, i assume this was including high end gear.

all we need is the room stripped and a reasonable basic job of tiles/paint/ceramics. no interest in gimmicks like heated floors or heated towel racks or anything.

if anyone can pm and recommendations or companies, that would be great too. i need to get out and hit every supplier i can find!

Sleeper12

amorgan wrote:

if anyone can pm and recommendations or companies, that would be great too. i need to get out and hit every supplier i can find!

You've a better chance of getting replies if you you say what county's you are in

amorgan

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You've a better chance of getting replies if you you say what county's you are in

Good point. I'm based in Dublin 12.

Homebase670

You should always shop around. Price up what your looking for.
How many sq meters of wall tile
How many meters of floor tile.
What fittings do you need : shower/shower door/shower tray/toilet/basin/tap/mirror/lighting etc
The more precise the better, try have a plan of what you like, some graph paper is great for measuring up rooms to scale.

Shop around hardware, bathroom, tile shops.
There are some great bargains to be had.
Some shops are clearing stock and selling off display models that might suit your needs.

Try tradesmen.ie and you could just get a plumber and tiler seperately which could be much cheaper

Slunk

I know someone who recently done their bathroom. Shopping around in Dublin prices vary widley. Even on a toilet bowl, same bowl can be got nearer 80-100 cheaper depending on the place. And up all the pieces, shower, hand basin, glass panels for shower etc.
Beware of cheap tiles sale as they could be last of the stock and batches different. Especially if you buy from a chain such as home base etc where they may consolidate all remaining stock to one store for sell off which may be different batches. Have seen this and caused two different shades of white tiles.
Lastly, if you can do all of the removal yourself you will save a few quid. No point paying someone for manual work.
Prices were quotes between 5-6k for bathroom and was done for around 2.5 shopping around, removing old stuff and few other little bits and pieces.

cletus

Sleeper12 wrote: »

...when in fact by law only a REC can do any electrical work in the bathroom. This includes changing a bulb believe it or not...

Can you link to the legislation that says I must employ a sparks to change the bulb in my bathroom

Sleeper12

cletus wrote: »

Can you link to the legislation that says I must employ a sparks to change the bulb in my bathroom

http://www.safeelectric.ie/restrictedWorks.pdf

This thread covers it http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057731951

Basically a light fitting is "an electrical installation" Only a REC can modify, repair or replace this so technically it's illegal for anyone but a REC to change a bathroom light bulb & he has to cert the job too.

You have to laugh really

cletus

Thanks for that, read through the thread. It would seem to me (granted I don't have a trade), that the Electrical Installation in question would be the light fitting itself, rather than the bulb. One poster asserted that bulbs were covered under the legislation, but no supporting evidence was given, and nobody really questioned it.

Either way, I won't be paying an €80 call out fee to change a bulb (having says that I've replaced both an electric and pumped shower in my house, so I've already broken the law )

Sleeper12

The modification must be done by a REC. The bulb is part of the electrical installation.
Here's a better one for you, the shower head and hose on an electric shower can only be replaced by a REC.
It's simpler for CER to do it this way. A blanket ban on anyone but a REC doing any of this. Obviously they won't be prosecuting for changing a bathroom light bulb or a shower head

EHP

Sleeper12 wrote:

Basically a light fitting is "an electrical installation" Only a REC can modify, repair or replace this so technically it's illegal for anyone but a REC to change a bathroom light bulb & he has to cert the job too.

Most ceiling light fittings in Bathrooms are outside the zones for part 7 so don't need a REC to change the bulb, but if inside the zones technically do. The reason for this is every fitting within the zones have to be sealed against water/steam ingress, you would be amazed the amount of light fittings in bathrooms that have had covers etc removed and not replaced. The regs also look for all electrical fittings within the zones to be RCD protected and this needs to be tested when any works are completed on the fitting. This rule might seem to go a bit far but there is reason for it.

EHP

cletus wrote:

Either way, I won't be paying an €80 call out fee to change a bulb (having says that I've replaced both an electric and pumped shower in my house, so I've already broken the law )

You have broken the law, outside of this when you replaced the showers did you complete any tests to ensure your safety just because it works doesn't make it safe. Most likely your home insurance will be void also. If any REC completes any work in your property and discovers that the showers were fitted by non recs they will have to report it or else they can also be held liable in the event of something going wrong.

Sleeper12

EHP wrote:

Most ceiling light fittings in Bathrooms are outside the zones for part 7 so don't need a REC to change the bulb, but if inside the zones technically do. The reason for this is every fitting within the zones have to be sealed against water/steam ingress, you would be amazed the amount of light fittings in bathrooms that have had covers etc removed and not replaced. The regs also look for all electrical fittings within the zones to be RCD protected and this needs to be tested when any works are completed on the fitting. This rule might seem to go a bit far but there is reason for it.

The rules don't seem to be too far as far as Im concerned. It's only the extreme example can seem so.
I'm seeing more & more fuseboxs with several rcbo. Shower, immersion etc. Even a gas boiler I think. It's great to see. I show everyone how to test these every 3 months

cletus

EHP wrote: »

You have broken the law, outside of this when you replaced the showers did you complete any tests to ensure your safety just because it works doesn't make it safe. Most likely your home insurance will be void also. If any REC completes any work in your property and discovers that the showers were fitted by non recs they will have to report it or else they can also be held liable in the event of something going wrong.

I think I already acknowledged the legal breach. My house is a new build. Two ensuites were not tiled at the time of purchase. Once I had the money, they were tiled. I then installed the showers in both (plumbing and wiring were already done) I also plumbed back in the sink, rad and toilet. I didn't know the legal position at the time

Sausage dog

Repositioning the pipes & the labour involved are the unknown factors in your job. Everything else you can price, sanitary ware, new shower, tiles, tiler per sq. metre etc.

dbs103

Sorry to drag up an old thread but I'm currently looking to get our bathroom done and would be interested in finding out if you were able to get a better price anywhere.

Supernintento Chalmers

Can you say who did the work?

van_beano wrote: »

Paid €3500 for the same length and width room to yours last month, in Dublin, only difference is there's no bath and just a square area for the shower. It's an ensuite.

Got the old toilet, sink, tiles and shower pulled out. under floor pipes were redone as the original pipes were housed in a box above floor level. Replaced everything again and had the shower area and ensuite floor tiled. Also had a radiator piped into there (no previous rad there). There was a new electric shower connected here (previously an immersion shower). I already have an electric shower in the main bathroom so there was a new electrical box beside fuse box connected to stop the showers being used at the same time.

I was quoted about €6k by another company we found at the Ideal Homes expo for the same job. Shop around.

nikki236

van_beano wrote: »

Paid €3500 for the same length and width room to yours last month, in Dublin, only difference is there's no bath and just a square area for the shower. It's an ensuite.

Got the old toilet, sink, tiles and shower pulled out. under floor pipes were redone as the original pipes were housed in a box above floor level. Replaced everything again and had the shower area and ensuite floor tiled. Also had a radiator piped into there (no previous rad there). There was a new electric shower connected here (previously an immersion shower). I already have an electric shower in the main bathroom so there was a new electrical box beside fuse box connected to stop the showers being used at the same time.

I was quoted about €6k by another company we found at the Ideal Homes expo for the same job. Shop around.

Sorry to drag this post up again but @van_beano would you be able to say who you got a refit at this price please. I've been looking to get a small bathroom refit like this also and all the quotes I've been getting are 7k or more which I find just ridiculous! Thanks in advance for any help you can give