Irish Rail Annual Point to Point Ticket Query

Duzzie

I hope this is ok to post here. I have a query regarding using an Irish Rail Point to Point Annual train ticket.
If I have an annual ticket from station A to station B, can that ticket be used to travel to / from an intermediate station?? I will be using it on week days between the two specified stations but want to use it on occasional weekend days to travel to an intermediate station. Anyone know if this would constitute travelling outside of the conditions of the ticket or if it is OK as the intermediate station is with the point to point route?? I have asked a couple of Irish Rail ticket kiosks and they weren't sure. One suggested I "should be ok as long as it is occasional" but didn't seem too sure.

Thanks in advance

Dravokivich

Wouldn't be too confident of the feedback you've gotten so far.

goingnowhere

For a ticket A to B it is completely legal to disembark/board at C if C is a station between A and B. Likewise if D is also between A and B you can go C-D, A-D, D-B, C-B etc, its all covered.

So say you have Drogheda - Pearse, getting on or off at Malahide is completely legal

Duzzie

goingnowhere wrote: »

For a ticket A to B it is completely legal to disembark/board at C if C is a station between A and B. Likewise if D is also between A and B you can go C-D, A-D, D-B, C-B etc, its all covered.

So say you have Drogheda - Pearse, getting on or off at Malahide is completely legal

Using your stations. The train from Drogheda doesnt stop at Raheny. Would it be ok to get the train from Drogheda to Malahide, then take a Dart from Malahide to Raheny using a Drogheda to Pearse ticket?

Dravokivich wrote: »

Wouldn't be too confident of the feedback you've gotten so far.

The problem was they werent sure either way, said it was unlikely to be an issue but they werent sure, hence my confusion

Hilly Bill

You can travel to and from any station if it's between the the points specified by the card.

GM228

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You can travel to and from any station if it's between the the points specified by the card.

Only with single and return tickets, and it's supposed to be for the purpose of a journey break, not the start/end point of the journey.

Any other type of ticket and you are liable for the fare to/from the intermediate station.

LXFlyer

GM228 wrote: »

Only with single and return tickets, and it's supposed to be for the purpose of a journey break, not the start/end point of the journey.

Any other type of ticket and you are liable for the fare to/from the intermediate station.

Not true.

A point to point period pass such as a weekly, monthly or annual ticket between Drogheda and Dublin Pearse can be used to make journeys from Drogheda to any station between Drogheda and Pearse.

GM228

lxflyer wrote: »

GM228 wrote: »

Only with single and return tickets, and it's supposed to be for the purpose of a journey break, not the start/end point of the journey.

Any other type of ticket and you are liable for the fare to/from the intermediate station.

Not true.

A point to point period pass such as a weekly, monthly or annual ticket between Drogheda and Dublin Pearse can be used to make journeys from Drogheda to any station between Drogheda and Pearse.

This is true.

It can only be done with single and return tickets, point to point weekly, monthly, annual tickets are excluded from that ability - it is stated in the relevant T&Cs.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/conditionsoftravel1.pdf

These tickets are loaded onto Leap cards and are subject to IE T&Cs as per the Leap T&Cs.

8 Break of journey

8.1 Except as may be specified in the publications and notices of and applicable to Iarnród Éireann, the holder of an single ticket may break his or her journey at intermediate stations on any route for which the ticket is valid within the period of validity of the ticket.

8.2 Except as may be specified in the publications and notices of and applicable to Iarnród Éireann, the holder of an return ticket may break his or her journey at intermediate stations on any route for which the ticket is valid, provided the journey is completed within the same calendar day, except where the timetable does not permit, in which latter case the journey must be completed on the next available service.

As you can see S8 allows break of journey for single and return tickets only, (and return tickets break does not apply to DART and commuter journeys), and incase of any doubt S10 confirms any other ticket type can't.

10 Using tickets from any other stations

10.1 Subject to Condition 8, any passenger using a ticket for any station, either beyond or short of that for which the ticket is valid will be liable to pay the full ordinary single fare for the journey made and he or she may be liable to prosecution.

Boarding/alighting at an intermediate station (Malahide for exampme) is using the ticket "short" of that for which the ticket is valid (Dublin to Drogheda only for example) and as such the full fare is liable.

Also it is not permissable to break and resume any DART or Commuter journeys anyway.

37 Break and resumption of journey

37.1 Except as may be specified in the publications and notices of and applicable to Iarnród Éireann, the holder of a single ticket, return ticket or any ticket issued for travel between two stations on the DART/Suburban Rail system may not break and resume his or her journey at intermediate stations.

Oiriallach

Section of that same PDF has the following (with regard to commuter season tickets):

36.2.1 the ticket is only valid at and between the stations named thereon including (unless otherwise stated) such intermediate stations as are open from time to time for passenger traffic during the period of validity of the ticket;

LXFlyer

Oiriallach wrote: »

Section of that same PDF has the following (with regard to commuter season tickets):

36.2.1 the ticket is only valid at and between the stations named thereon including (unless otherwise stated) such intermediate stations as are open from time to time for passenger traffic during the period of validity of the ticket;

Which was precisely my point.

GM228

Oiriallach wrote: »

Section of that same PDF has the following (with regard to commuter season tickets):

36.2.1 the ticket is only valid at and between the stations named thereon including (unless otherwise stated) such intermediate stations as are open from time to time for passenger traffic during the period of validity of the ticket;

lxflyer wrote: »

Which was precisely my point.

Fair enough

S8, 10, 36 and 37 do seem to contradict each other (the conditions of carriage and charter are due to be updated later this year).

Duzzie

Oiriallach wrote: »

Section of that same PDF has the following (with regard to commuter season tickets):

36.2.1 the ticket is only valid at and between the stations named thereon including (unless otherwise stated) such intermediate stations as are open from time to time for passenger traffic during the period of validity of the ticket;

Thanks, I think that clears it up, although i'm not sure what the above in bold and underlined is getting at

techdiver

You can use the ticket at any intermediate station. I do it all the time.

I purposely got my ticket from station a to station b as far along the line within the same fare bracket as I might use the further station from time to time.

The ticket validators will recognise your ticket as valid in any station.