Going to try and fit a shower pump!

Sammy296296

Howdy,

I'm planning to fit a shower pump tomorrow. Fairly handy with electrics so fine on that side.
However my plumbing experience is not non-existent but limited.

I don’t suppose someone would have a look at the first pic attached and let me know what these circled ‘green’ fittings are? I presume they’re some form of push fitting? How would one go about removing them?

Also if you could have a look at the pump in the pic and perhaps give me some guidance on what additional fittings I’ll need to buy to attach the pump to the lines in the first pic.

Thanks for the help! And lets hope I don’t flood the house! 😊

p.s pump is a "Wasp 60" positive head. Also check and water pressure should be enough to activate.

Sleeper12

How are you planning on connecting the electrics? I'm assuming that you know that it must be connected to A RCBO & only a REC can do this?

EHP

This is one where you should just hire a qualified registered Electrician and plumber

Sammy296296

Sleeper12 wrote: »

How are you planning on connecting the electrics? I'm assuming that you know that it must be connected to A RCBO & only a REC can do this?

Yep have a breaker set aside and already wired in for this!

Sammy296296

EHP wrote: »

This is one where you should just hire a qualified registered Electrician and plumber

Ara, sure where's the fun in that??

K.Flyer

Would you not think of having the pump tested and checked for leaks before considering trying to fit it.
Fitting a pump of unknown origin and attempting to install it with zero plumbing knowledge and without having it checked for leaks and that it actually runs is asking for trouble.

Sleeper12

Have you installed a flange in the cylinder for the hot water feed?

EHP

Sammy296296 wrote:

Ara, sure where's the fun in that??

Depends on what actual electrical work needs doing for the pump, if wiring back to the board then that's restricted works and if not completed by a REC means you are breaking the law and leaving yourself open to prosecution as well as more than likely voiding your home insurance.

jca

You won't get any help here lad, no money in it for the boys. Don't ya know we're all hamfisted dummies...

Sleeper12

jca wrote:

You won't get any help here lad, no money in it for the boys. Don't ya know we're all hamfisted dummies...

I count four posts by people offering advice on the plumbing and electrical end of it. Also plumbing and electric safety. I see a lot of helpful information given already and we're only a few posts in. I don't see any useless advice given.
What exactly do you want us to say?

MON NOTE: I have taken action on the JCA post so I ask the other posters not to be goaded by it, or react to it please.

jca

What are the green rings and how to open them? As yet remains unanswered.
What additional fittings will I need to connect the pump into the system? Unanswered too.
OP says he's handy with electrics he has that covered but gets loads of warnings basically telling him he can't touch those nasty electric wires, maybe if he charged himself €75 per hour or whatever the extortionate rate a RECI is allowed charge these days he'd be ok.
@OP you'd be better off using YouTube.

MOD: YOU JUST CANT LEAVE IT ALONE CAN YOU. TAKE A BREAK.

EHP

jca wrote:

What are the green rings and how to open them? As yet remains unanswered. What additional fittings will I need to connect the pump into the system? Unanswered too. OP says he's handy with electrics he has that covered but gets loads of warnings basically telling him he can't touch those nasty electric wires, maybe if he charged himself €75 per hour or whatever the extortionate rate a RECI is allowed charge these days he'd be ok. @OP you'd be better off using YouTube.

It's the very fact he needs to ask these questions we are advising him to get a plumber in and as for the Electrical you want us to advise him on how to break the law?

pauldavis123

Get one of these, come in 1/2 inch and 3/4" versions



Put around the fitting and squeeze while pulling the pipe from the fitting.

You are trying to compress the green ring into the brass body to disengage the retaining ring.

Sammy296296

Hi,

Thanks for the help, i've figured out exactly what fittings i need and how to get the sharke-bite fittings off.
I'm not doing any electrical work to the box itself, so not breaking any laws. A RCBO is already fitted and was for a Jacuzzi bath that hasn't been used in about 10 years to going to connect the pump to that.

The last problem i have is that the pump has absolutely no indication on which are the 2 inlets and which are the 2 outlets! and i can't find a manual for it anywhere on the net!... will have to do some testing!

Sleeper12

Don't forget that you need to install a Surrey flange or Essex flange on the cylinder.

K.Flyer

Sammy296296 wrote: »

Hi,
...
The last problem i have is that the pump has absolutely no indication on which are the 2 inlets and which are the 2 outlets! and i can't find a manual for it anywhere on the net!... will have to do some testing!

Its unlikely that you would find a manual for it under that name as it is more commonly known as a Watermill, just a different colour and a different badge.
In on the sides, out of the top.

Sammy296296

Thanks for all the good advice.

So, the pump is installed, no floods, no-one was electrocuted and no laws were broken. There is now high-pressure water to the shower and kitchen sink! Delighted, including pump cost me about €75



(installed the pump in a slightly different place and left all the shark-bite fittings in place and just added new compression fittings as that's what i'm used to, no leaks!)

Sammy296296

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Don't forget that you need to install a Surrey flange or Essex flange on the cylinder.

Hi, my understanding is that a Surrey flange, draws water from slightly lower in the tank, to make sure air isn't pulled into the pump impeller?

This is what the top of my tank looks like, the outlet circled in red is the feed into the pump, do you think i'll need to replace this and fit a surrey flange instead?

spurious

Tagging on to this though have no intention of attempting any work myself.

My question is, if I were to get a pump such as the above, would I have to change my existing showers? Triton t90xr.

Sleeper12

spurious wrote:

My question is, if I were to get a pump such as the above, would I have to change my existing showers? Triton t90xr.

Your t90xr already has a pump and you can't install another pump on this shower.

Sleeper12

Sammy296296 wrote:

This is what the top of my tank looks like, the outlet circled in red is the feed into the pump, do you think i'll need to replace this and fit a surrey flange instead?

That looks fine to me.

pauldavis123

Is it OK to mount the pump on the wall? Do they not have to be level? I'm learning something now ;-)

Sleeper12

pauldavis123 wrote:

Is it OK to mount the pump on the wall? Do they not have to be level? I'm learning something now ;-)

Sorry. I'm looking at this on my phone. I thought one photo was just flipped. A pump always has to stand straight. Even when storing it newly or spare pumps they need to be standing upright.

Sammy296296

Hi, yeah the pump is level. just photo was taken at 90°