Reseeding costs

The part time boy

Anyone work out how much reseeding cost per acre and know the brake from . Seed ploughing etc.

Have a field that be no harm to get done and doing a budget for the rest of year so seeing would I have money in Aug / Sep to do It

danjoe

The part time boy wrote: »

Anyone work out how much reseeding cost per acre and know the brake from . Seed ploughing etc.

Have a field that be no harm to get done and doing a budget for the rest of year so seeing would I have money in Aug / Sep to do It

Done ten acres this year ploughing 45 rolling once land levelling 3 times to get field as level as I could did myself approx 40 seed 60 power harrowed once and seed sown at same time 50 and final roll 10 total €205/acre excluding fertiliser and lime

Who2

Most contractors charge 150 per acre. Then 10 for spraying. That's a full plough job . Good seed usually runs around 70 an acre or even more at times. 2 ton of lime is another 48 per acre 3-4 bags of 10-10-20 say around 90 per acre and then whatever the spray stands you. Then allow a fair bit of bribery trying to trick young lads into gathering stones.

Bass Reeves

No need to plough discing is suitable. Spray with gysophate(generic name for roundup) 2/L/ acre(8 euro) + spraying cost 6-10/acre. After 3-5 days let cattle in ( as tip of leaves turn purple) plenty of them to graze it down.

Disc twice (2nd time it has to be offset to first run.) chain harrow and pick stone( if disced stones will be at a minimum), Spread seed with either a seed box or spinner and roll, roll and roll again(if you have the patience).

Discing 30-35/acre you should be able to borrow a chain harrow and roller. Seed 60-80/acre. bag of granlime /acre (10 euro) spread withh seed. Check fertility of ground to access ph and fertlizer requirements. If you have access to slurry 2kgallons/acre (15/acre to spread) before discing will you only need a bag of 18-6-12 (18-20 euro) at seeding stage and 10-20 units of N (10-15 euro).

Post emergence spray to kill weeds seedlings (10-15/acre + spraying cost). TBH I be slow reseeding if there is a lot of weeds in pasture. I get my fertility right and spray grassland for weeds. Your grass output will go up by 20-40% by this alone. Reseeding is not the answer to poor pasture quality often.

About 200/acre if you do it this way. However you need a lad with a independent spring loaded disc harrow. One of the biggest tricks to reseeding is getting cattle to graze field to the butt. They want to be roaring for 3-4 days before you let them out of the field

Mooooo

If ground is any way heavy or prone to being wet I'd advise plough, disced ground here that we should have ploughed and regretted it after the first year

Hard Knocks

Mooooo wrote: »

If ground is any way heavy or prone to being wet I'd advise plough, disced ground here that we should have ploughed and regretted it after the first year

Would you do drainage first or reseed & any focus on persistent wet spots then?

danjoe

Personally I think discs should be banned, you will not have a level field after them

GrasstoMilk

danjoe wrote: »

Personally I think discs should be banned, you will not have a level field after them

Did 18 acres here with a disc 3 years ago and it's our worst reseed to date. Going to hire an aerator this fall to see can I do something with it.
Op if the field is level just power Harrow twice sow seed and fert and roll.
I wouldn't plough unless you really had to. If you do plough make sure they don't plough any more than 6 inches down

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Did 18 acres here with a disc 3 years ago and it's our worst reseed to date. Going to hire an aerator this fall to see can I do something with it.
Op if the field is level just power Harrow twice sow seed and fert and roll.
I wouldn't plough unless you really had to. If you do plough make sure they don't plough any more than 6 inches down

If you are going to powerharrow make sure you get the contractor to only go an inch or two into the ground. Any deeper and it will be a nightmare to get cattle back on the land as it will be like powder for a while.

Reggie.

The part time boy wrote: »

Anyone work out how much reseeding cost per acre and know the brake from . Seed ploughing etc.

Have a field that be no harm to get done and doing a budget for the rest of year so seeing would I have money in Aug / Sep to do It

If the field isn't too bad level wise then spray off and let cattle graze it to the butt. 2 weeks or so later give it 2 or 3 runs of a tine harrow with seeding on the last run.
Roll it then and apply 2 bags of gran lime to the Acre plus a bag of 10-10-20 or 2k to 3k of cattle slurry....NO PIG SLURRY. Job done

Bass Reeves

Reggie. wrote: »

If the field isn't too bad level wise then spray off and let cattle graze it to the butt. 2 weeks or so later give it 2 or 3 runs of a tine harrow with seeding on the last run.
Roll it then and apply 2 bags of gran lime to the Acre plus a bag of 10-10-20 or 2k to 3k of cattle slurry....NO PIG SLURRY. Job done

Biggest mistake lads make with min till reseeding is not applying granlime at seeding stage. Unless bulk lime is applied at tilling or gran lime at reseeding stage acidification as the dead butt decays will effect germinating grass. A bag to the acre will do if ph is ok. You want more than a bag of 10-10-20/acre.

Mooooo

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Would you do drainage first or reseed & any focus on persistent wet spots then?

Drainage first, tbh I'd try and sort drainage and reseed the following year as if you do it at the same time when the land settles after drainage you will have an uneven field. Land I'm talking about is land that in spring or autumn or after periods of rain will be soft anyway regardless of drainage, ploughing improves the soakage of this type of ground

Reggie.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Biggest mistake lads make with min till reseeding is not applying granlime at seeding stage. Unless bulk lime is applied at tilling or gran lime at reseeding stage acidification as the dead butt decays will effect germinating grass. A bag to the acre will do if ph is ok. You want more than a bag of 10-10-20/acre.

I meant a bag of 10 10 20 at min. Even if the land got 2 ton of lime a few months previous it needs 2 bags of lime at seeding for the reasons you mentioned above

Reggie.

Mooooo wrote: »

Drainage first, tbh I'd try and sort drainage and reseed the following year as if you do it at the same time when the land settles after drainage you will have an uneven field. Land I'm talking about is land that in spring or autumn or after periods of rain will be soft anyway regardless of drainage, ploughing improves the soakage of this type of ground

Make sure you soil test after ploughing and not before

charolais0153

Reggie. wrote: »

If the field isn't too bad level wise then spray off and let cattle graze it to the butt. 2 weeks or so later give it 2 or 3 runs of a tine harrow with seeding on the last run.
Roll it then and apply 2 bags of gran lime to the Acre plus a bag of 10-10-20 or 2k to 3k of cattle slurry....NO PIG SLURRY. Job done

Why no pig slurry

Reggie.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Why no pig slurry

Not sure what's in it. Could be too much N but it is known to kill seed in the ground.

adne

Any issues with timing of ground lime. Ive ground burned off a week. Goin to spread 2.5 t of lime then hope to disc in about 2 weeks

Mooooo

I spread lime after tilling but before setting

The part time boy

I am afraid I have to plough as last year of dairy farming I was full of slurry on 16th Jan and had to travel so sacarfised a field I had planned to reseed the following year. Unfortanly I never got around to it yet. The big drains are wrecking my head now though so must try and find the money .

On a side note and call me crazy but spraying off grass and then letting cattle grazing does not sit well with me and I never done it

Mooooo

The part time boy wrote: »

I am afraid I have to plough as last year of dairy farming I was full of slurry on 16th Jan and had to travel so sacarfised a field I had planned to reseed the following year. Unfortanly I never got around to it yet. The big drains are wrecking my head now though so must try and find the money .

On a side note and call me crazy but spraying off grass and then letting cattle grazing does not sit well with me and I never done it

I assume that's more important for min till once whatever is on it doesn't effect the ploughing too much doesn't really matter. Only stock I've ever put on burnt off ground would be cows I need to dry off

The part time boy

It's more using poison to kill grass and then letting cattle eat the poisoned off grass .

I no the experts says it's ok ..but it was also ok to smoke before as well

Inchilad

The part time boy wrote:

It's more using poison to kill grass and then letting cattle eat the poisoned off grass .

With you on that one.

Inchilad

Reseeded field yesterday.hasnt got lime in i dont know how long.whats the most granlime i could apply at once?

K.G.

danjoe wrote: »

Personally I think discs should be banned, you will not have a level field after them

And i think ploughs should be banned around here anyway.turn a days work into aweeks work

Mooooo

K.G. wrote: »

And i think ploughs should be banned around here anyway.turn a days work into aweeks work

Shir there are no stones in west cork!

K.G.

Mooooo wrote: »

Shir there are no stones in west cork!

They are but we,re harder than them. Btw the secret to a level field after discs is taking the angle out of the discs and giving it a third run

primary 2

i have a field i am thinking of reseeding but i dont want to plough it as i will bring up alot of stones but it is not level so would a disc level it

Who2

primary 2 wrote: »

i have a field i am thinking of reseeding but i dont want to plough it as i will bring up alot of stones but it is not level so would a disc level it

If it's solely for grazing I wouldn't be overly worried as animals won't be long putting in their own paths anyway. If your mowing then it may be an option getting a track machine for a few hours to do a bit of grading and filling and nearly all farms need a bit of a hedge or ditch cleaned anyways. Land leveller and discs will sort the rest.

primary 2

Who2 wrote: »

If it's solely for grazing I wouldn't be overly worried as animals won't be long putting in their own paths anyway. If your mowing then it may be an option getting a track machine for a few hours to do a bit of grading and filling and nearly all farms need a bit of a hedge or ditch cleaned anyways. Land leveller and discs will sort the rest.

well i was hoping to cut silage off it maybe next year but there is a few hollows init in places,i was thinking of giving it a run of a disc and power harrow,what when would be the best time to sow it? and could you spread gran lime and manure after harrowing it just before the sower?

Reggie.

primary 2 wrote: »

well i was hoping to cut silage off it maybe next year but there is a few hollows init in places,i was thinking of giving it a run of a disc and power harrow,what when would be the best time to sow it? and could you spread gran lime and manure after harrowing it just before the sower?

July and aug is the best time to sow

Who2

Reggie. wrote: »

July and aug is the best time to sow

You'll get a good reseed in the spring too but it'll take a bit more management. I done 30% of the farm a few years back and I was happy enough with results. But the mistake I made was I spent too much in the one go and was trying to cut costs and skimped on feeding it after. It was a big mistake.

letterkenny man

What drainage pipe do you lads reckon to use

Water John

I've taken to using stone covered with Terram and no pipe. Seems to work well.
My thinking was to stop soil going down into the stone.

Mooooo

6 inch if you can and put a sewer pipe over the drainage pipe into the open drain as sometimes anything growing on the bank can block the last few feet, if it's ground water go deep. Perhaps dig a few holes and see what your dealing with first,

bogman_bass

No disc, no plough.
2 runs of the powerharrow, seed and roll

Green farmer

How much would contractors charge for 2 runs of one pass ?