Trumps solar wall

Stan27

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-ditches-coal-for-renewable-energy-with-a-solar-wall-1.3129223%3Fmode%3Damp

In fairness, not a bad idea.
-Create a lot of jobs in an already booming solar market over there.
-renewable energy
- in fairness, boarder control prob does need to be controlled better.

The_Valeyard

Mexican thieves probably steal the panels.

BlinkingLights

It will probably run on coal though.

silverharp

damn him, he promised to make the Mexicans pay for the wall, if its free he lied! impeach!!!!! Reeeeeeeee!

ChippingSodbury

“We’re thinking about building the wall as a solar wall,” he said. “Pretty good imagination, right? It’s my ideas.”

except (from the rte.ie site):

The US administration put out a call for proposals several months ago for the construction of the border wall, one of which - submitted by a Las Vegas businessman named Tom Gleason - involved using solar panels.

Stan27

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

except (from the rte.ie site):

Ye I doupt it's his idea lol

DEFTLEFTHAND

silverharp wrote: »

damn him, he promised to make the Mexicans pay for the wall, if its free he lied! impeach!!!!! Reeeeeeeee!

You'd be waiting a long time for them to cough up. They've shirked their northern border responsibilities for years. Interestingly things are run rather differently at their southern border with Guatemala.

Atlantic Dawn

Everyone will want a wall like that when it's built.

It's a great play by him because he can accuse those against it of being against green energy.

Del2005

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Everyone will want a wall like that when it's built.

It's a great play by him because he can accuse those against it of being against green energy.

Read an article on this a few weeks ago that it would take over 200 years to pay off and that's without the fact that the panels would need to be replaced a few times.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-09/turning-trump-s-border-wall-into-a-solar-plant-is-probably-a-bad-idea

So not only will it increase the cost but it'll never cover the building costs.

Manic Moran

Del2005 wrote: »

Read an article on this a few weeks ago that it would take over 200 years to pay off and that's without the fact that the panels would need to be replaced a few times.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-09/turning-trump-s-border-wall-into-a-solar-plant-is-probably-a-bad-idea

So not only will it increase the cost but it'll never cover the building costs.

Mmm.. I'm not sure how that doesn't compare with the costs if PG&E or whoever set up a similar amount of solar panels. (And it's not as if PG&E doesn't raise my electricity bill every year as well). If we have to presume that we need more power generation capability in the US, and if we presume that solar is going to be installed somewhere, and if we further presume that a solar panel costs about the same for a contractor to install in Arizona as it does for PG&E to install it in California, then making it part of the barrier doesn't seem to be much worse than building those panels near Barstow. Further, presumably every time the panels get replaced, they replace them with more effective, more modern panels which will generate even more profit with each generation, before one takes into account rate hikes. These panels probably will also get cheaper over time, as newer technologies tend to do.

Frankly, I still prefer nuclear or geothermal, but if you're going to go solar, this is as good a way of doing it as any.

Capt'n Midnight

For optimum power the panels should face south.
A lot of the wall faces southwest so that's a lot of power loss.


At those latitudes vertical panels loose a lot of power too, horizontal would be better, or better still a gentle ramp, to the south.


The wall won't be much use for solar.



Also since solar cells run in series you can drastically reduce output even if only part of it is in shadow or dirty.

Donald Trump

It's gonna be yuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggee bitches.

My second best idea ever
Best being running for president in the first place
Stick that up your twitter!

Donald Trump

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

silverharp wrote: »

damn him, he promised to make the Mexicans pay for the wall, if its free he lied! impeach!!!!! Reeeeeeeee!

You'd be waiting a long time for them to cough up. They've shirked their northern border responsibilities for years. Interestingly things are run rather differently at their southern border with Guatemala.

Part of the reason they place so much effort on the other borders is due to pressure by the US. If Mexico stops people at it's southern border, they can't make it to their Northern Border and into the US quite so easily

Ulysses Gaze

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

For optimum power the panels should face south.
A lot of the wall faces southwest so that's a lot of power loss.


At those latitudes vertical panels loose a lot of power too, horizontal would be better, or better still a gentle ramp, to the south.


The wall won't be much use for solar.



Also since solar cells run in series you can drastically reduce output even if only part of it is in shadow or dirty.

More Fake News....

This solar wall is a brilliant idea.

Trust him, you'll love it!

Atlantic Dawn

Del2005 wrote: »

Read an article on this a few weeks ago that it would take over 200 years to pay off and that's without the fact that the panels would need to be replaced a few times.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-09/turning-trump-s-border-wall-into-a-solar-plant-is-probably-a-bad-idea

So not only will it increase the cost but it'll never cover the building costs.

Sounds exactly like the pay back for solar panels on any house in Ireland, eco me hole

server down

solar definitely works. Not sure why anybody would think otherwise. Whether it works on a vertical wall is open to question.

Capt'n Midnight

server down wrote: »

solar definitely works. Not sure why anybody would think otherwise. Whether it works on a vertical wall is open to question.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Solar works on radiation/sunlight I understand. The heat of the surrounding climate doesn't directly affect the outcome so I'm told.

I am open to correction on this, however.

Solar panels work better when cold. Something about 10mV per degree or whatever.

Panels work best when facing the sun , the closer you get to the equator the close to horizontal they should be. Vertical panels would be a lot less efficient down there.

Panels also work best when facing south. A large section of the wall is facing south west. So almost no solar in the morning.

Also helps if you have access to water to clean the dust off them.
And cables to take any power back to the grid.