Bags being banned at events - is this letting terrorists win?

P_1

Ok so here's one that has got me thinking. Since the bombing in Manchester, arenas, stadia and essentially any large public gathering have started banning people from bringing bags to the event with them. My question is if this is simply a piece of security theater and if the inconvenience caused to the general public is letting terrorists win by essentially forcing us to make a pretty drastic change to our daily lives?

Statistically speaking, the odds of somebody deciding to bomb the likes of Leinster v the Newport Gewnt Dragons would have to be quite low. I mean you're more likely to be hit by a bus in the morning. Is it worth all the extra grief to protect against a reasonably unlikely occurrence?

Apologies if this has already been posted but I think it's a discussion worth having and I couldn't find any other threads about it bar one in GAA.

MilesMorales1

Better safe than sorry really.

Mr. Incognito

Are metal detectors at Airports letting terrorists "win"?

People are happy enough with Security to keep them safe.

Not only from "Terrorists" -whatever that means but from Domestic nutters also.

Dravokivich

I think it's a bit extreme. But we've a world today where people have to be seen to react and take an action.

I'm old enough to remember the bag scanners as you entered Dublin Airport. Bag scanners are gone, now they pat people down and get them to minimize what they carry onto the planes. Just to look like something is being done, because there's a person there to stop you and turn you away.

Lux23

I think it suits venues to be honest because people hide lots more in bags other than bombs that they don't want people getting in!

donegal.

how much stuff do you want to bring to a gig that you need a large bag ?

PARlance

P_1 wrote: »

essentially forcing us to make a pretty drastic change to our daily lives?

Thinly veiled "I go to a concert / sporting event every day" thread.

Dravokivich

donegal. wrote: »

how much stuff do you want to bring to a gig that you need a large bag ?

One could be going somewhere after it.

You also gotta take into account it's not just going out to a gig. This big discussion here is coming from GAA. A day out in Croke Park is 3/4 hours at the stadium. Who wants to spend a fortune at the food stalls? especially if it's a family day out?

ScumLord

It's a temporary measure I think. I'm assuming that even despairing Muslims will eventually realise ISIS are full of **** and only out to stoke the ego of a small bunch of power hungry out of work sheep farmers.

osarusan

Lux23 wrote: »

I think it suits venues to be honest because people hide lots more in bags other than bombs that they don't want people getting in!

Indeed.

I'm not saying they are happy about it, but terrorism gives organisations the perfect chance to put into place policies they had already wanted to.

How Soon Is Now

Where are all the muck savages gonna put there ponchos flasks and sambos going into Croke park this summer !!!!

****ing Terrorists win again.

RobertKK

I don't see any issue, some events have lines for people with bags and those with none. Most times bags are unnecessary.
I don't know why some need bags.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

One could be going somewhere after it.

You also gotta take into account it's not just going out to a gig. This big discussion here is coming from GAA. A day out in Croke Park is 3/4 hours at the stadium. Who wants to spend a fortune at the food stalls? especially if it's a family day out?

I was at an event on Saturday and we were told not to bring bags. I left my bag at home, including my water bottle. Saturday was a very hot day and I ended up spending a total of 6 quid on water. Not a lot, I know, but I was one of the volunteers. I wasn't getting paid to do the event. As you say Im sure some venues are only delighted to ban bags forcing people to consume the over priced food and drink at the venue.

Glenster

As a bloke in my early thirties I applaud this new rule.

I advocate for a banning of bags at all events forever.

How Soon Is Now

Deleted User wrote: »

I was at an event on Saturday and we were told not to bring bags. I left my bag at home, including my water bottle. Saturday was a very hot day and I ended up spending a total of 6 quid on water. Not a lot, I know, but I was one of the volunteers. I wasn't getting paid to do the event. As you say Im sure some venues are only delighted to ban bags forcing people to consume the over priced food and drink at the venue.

This is the main reason there doing it sure.
The food and drink is crazy prices in Croke park.
All ill be bothered about is the fact i cant bring a bag to throw me rain jacket in when Dublin are playing in August and its pissing down like it normally is!

Ah well guess ill live .

buried

Hopefully those moronbook f**king phones will be banned next at these things

Irish Guitarist

I doubt it will do much good but I don't think it's letting terrorists win either. I highly doubt any terrorist has ever thought "I'll really show those infidels by getting them banned from carrying their stuff in a bag".

LadyMacBeth_

Banning events would be letting the terrorists win, banning bags is just an inconvenience.

seamus

Security theatre. People won't go if they don't feel safe.

As others say, it also suits venues not to allow big bags either, not least so people can't smuggle in food and booze, but also because they're a pain for everyone else.

My understanding is that the Manchester attacker wasn't even inside the main arena, so bag ban wouldn't have stopped him in the first place.

Like I say, security theatre. Makes you feel safer, even though you're not.

Working class heroes

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

This is the main reason there doing it sure.
The food and drink is crazy prices in Croke park.
All ill be bothered about is the fact i cant bring a bag to throw me rain jacket in when Dublin are playing in August and its pissing down like it normally is!

Ah well guess ill live .

Dublin aren't playing till August?:eek:

Cienciano

It's just for show to look like measures are being taken. Bit like most of airport security and taking liquids off you.

How Soon Is Now

Working class heroes wrote: »

Dublin aren't playing till August?:eek:

I mentioned August cause nearly every year around that time i get drowned at the matchs. The earlier games tend to be really warm.

retro:electro

It's inconvenient- but if it's one more measure that'll stop people putting bombs in their bags to blow up children then I'm on board with the minuscule annoyance of it.

silverharp

seamus wrote: »

Security theatre. People won't go if they don't feel safe.

As others say, it also suits venues not to allow big bags either, not least so people can't smuggle in food and booze, but also because they're a pain for everyone else.

My understanding is that the Manchester attacker wasn't even inside the main arena, so bag ban wouldn't have stopped him in the first place.

Like I say, security theatre. Makes you feel safer, even though you're not.

if security has to be seen to be done it will mean a larger amount of people congregating outside, a richer target.

P_1

silverharp wrote: »

if security has to be seen to be done it will mean a larger amount of people congregating outside, a richer target.

I was thinking the same myself. It seems to have the potential to create more problems than it solves in my eyes.

Cervantes2

I wonder will the people in the corporate boxes bags be banned...

Hank Scorpio

Just wait until they start scanning people going into super markets

Hungrycol

The terrorists are winning. They are changing how we conduct ourselves in society bit by bit. Banning bags in arenas or crowded venues is not a practical step on deterring terrorism or keeping society safe. Both the Bataclan or the Manchester bombing had noting to do with bags inside the venue.

andekwarhola

The flask, tea and ham economy will be reeling from this.

ToddyDoody

PARlance wrote: »

Thinly veiled "I go to a concert / sporting event every day" thread.

I'd love to have that status symbol though.

This person is just plain better than bitter me.

conorhal

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Better safe than sorry really.

Except for when it comes to immigration policy, in that regard it seems, it's better to be sorry....

conorhal

Hungrycol wrote: »

The terrorists are winning. They are changing how we conduct ourselves in society bit by bit. Banning bags in arenas or crowded venues is not a practical step on deterring terrorism or keeping society safe. Both the Bataclan or the Manchester bombing had noting to do with bags inside the venue.

This is the least of the freedoms that we are surrendering as the price for multiculturalism, the security state that is being built to address the issues is quite scary, You will have to sacrificed all privacy, freedom of expression and end up living in a police state before you get to feel 'secure'.

ToddyDoody

Let's allow and encourage extra big bags at events, that'll show them terrorists

DeanAustin

The authorities can't win. In the wake of the Manchester bomb, a number of people were on here saying what a joke Ireland is when it comes to security and specifically I recall people saying they'd recently been to events and were barely checked going in.

Security gets tightened and people complain anyway.

mr_edge_to_you

Yes. I think it is letting them win.

Plus it's convenient for venues to boost revenue.

I would've always brought a ruck sack with me. I have to carry emergency medication with me at all times. Generally the weather is unpredictable so if we're out as a family/couple we bundle a few rain coats in as well.

Not being able to bring a bag is a pain in the hole.

Skatedude

So who wants to steal my idea of making transparent bags and rucksacks?

Electric Sheep

Skatedude wrote: »

So who wants to steal my idea of making transparent bags and rucksacks?

They already exist - they are required at some schools in the US.

Bleating Lamb

Skatedude wrote: »

So who wants to steal my idea of making transparent bags and rucksacks?

Funny you should say that...I actually said it jokingly at work today that someone should patent the 'transparent' back pack!;)

woodchuck

donegal. wrote: »

how much stuff do you want to bring to a gig that you need a large bag ?

My OH works between different locations, so he often needs to take his laptop home with him. He's at a gig this evening, so guess who got lumped with carting it home :rolleyes: Stoopid terrorists

jester77

looks like Brussels has now been attacked.

Better safe than sorry, at least peace of mind if you are in a large venue

Capt'n Midnight

P_1 wrote: »

Statistically speaking, the odds of somebody deciding to bomb the likes of Leinster v the Newport Gewnt Dragons would have to be quite low. I mean you're more likely to be hit by a bus in the morning

To be pedantic ,

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/one-death-every-three-weeks-involving-london-buses-new-figures-show-a3091156.html

Quarterly collision data published by TfL shows 2,736 people were injured or killed on or by TfL buses during the first six months of 2015, but no data is published for the number of collisions that resulted in no injury.

A separate FOI earlier this year revealed London buses were involved in nearly 25,000 collisions in the year 2014/15 – an average of 67 every day.