Could Waterford Get Senior Minister by Leo?

Jamie2k9

Leo was talking about regional balance for his new cabinet....

subpar

I dont think so.

Max Powers

subpar wrote: »

I dont think so.

Long shot alright, few commentators mentioned him in relation to justice dept, who knows, he's done admirable work on grace case,PAC, and has gone long way in recent years to building up his reputation.couple years back,I think it was the times that nominated him best td/backbencher think.

Road-Hog

Max Powers wrote: »

Long shot alright, few commentators mentioned him in relation to justice dept, who knows, he's done admirable work on grace case,PAC, and has gone long way in recent years to building up his reputation.couple years back,I think it was the times that nominated him best td/backbencher think.

Who the eff are your rabbiting on about....'Deasey' I assume? Zero chance of him getting a snr minister....Coffey maybe if he had gotten re elected and after that there is on JP Phelan..;)

Harry Palmr

Waterford is a political void

noby

Road-Hog wrote: »

Who the eff are your rabbiting on about....'Deasey' I assume? Zero chance of him getting a snr minister....Coffey maybe if he had gotten re elected and after that there is on JP Phelan..;)

Coffey backed the wrong horse.

longshanks

He talks about regional balance yet is unaware of an Ireland outside the M50.

TheQuietFella

longshanks wrote: »

He talks about regional balance yet is unaware of an Ireland outside the M50.

It's like an independent country inside of the M50.
It's where it's all happening. An Irish Mecca!
Jobs, jobs and more jobs. Property prices booming!
Restaurants and bars are packed on a daily basis.
Shops and I mean those on the high end are busy, busy, busy!

Why would anyone want to look beyond the M50?

Max Powers

Road-Hog wrote: »

Who the eff are your rabbiting on about....'Deasey' I assume? Zero chance of him getting a snr minister....Coffey maybe if he had gotten re elected and after that there is on JP Phelan..;)

Jeez road hog, no need to be so aggressive, you're right about jp phelan, seems certain from political anoraks that he in for promotion.the same anoraks saying possibly deasy, only repeating what I heard/read on radio/paper.

Squidvicious

I wouldn't rule him out for a junior ministry. He seriously got himself on Kenny's wrong side and had no chances until now. He would have been seen as having a bit of a rebel streak but that might change as he's older and maybe happier with new leadership. One difficulty will be regional rivals. John Paul seems to be up for promotion and Kehoe in Wexford is being tipped for promotion too. Might not be room for a third minister/junior minister in the region.

zurbfoundation

So did this happen?

tombliboo83

zurbfoundation wrote: »

So did this happen?

No. Nothing for Waterford and nothing for Deasy. A career politician who's as useful as a chocolate teapot.

BBM77

tombliboo83 wrote: »

No. Nothing for Waterford and nothing for Deasy. A career politician who's as useful as a chocolate teapot.

It was never on the cards. I said it before and I’ll say it again Deasy is a complete outcast in FG. I really believe they want shot of him and have another FG Waterford TD. And quite frankly I can’t blame them.

goochy

His other half looks well in current vip magazine

Squidvicious

To be fair, there were only two cabinet posts up for grabs. There had been speculation that there might be more but clearly Varadkar decided not to make wholesale changes. Those that were promoted were previously junior ministers and it would have been a fair shock if someone from the back benches was promoted straight to senior minister. In theory, Deasy could still be appointed junior minister next week but it looks unlikely now as Varadkar will probably keep most of the current junior ministers so less room for newcomers.

Max Powers

Squidvicious wrote: »

To be fair, there were only two cabinet posts up for grabs. There had been speculation that there might be more but clearly Varadkar decided not to make wholesale changes. Those that were promoted were previously junior ministers and it would have been a fair shock if someone from the back benches was promoted straight to senior minister. In theory, Deasy could still be appointed junior minister next week but it looks unlikely now as Varadkar will probably keep most of the current junior ministers so less room for newcomers.

I'd guess there will be more changes at junior level than yesterday, fingers crossed positive for Waterford/SE.everyone had jp phelan tipped do must be disappointed, to be fair, this doesn't seem like varakars cabinet, had to keep old faces for party unity I suspect, I'd guess we will see his real cabinet if only elected again after general election.

robtri

yep, JP was highly tipped to get a good promotion, i believe he feels very hard done by...

MRnotlob606

we have the second worst unemployment blackspot in the country and we can't get a senior minister.

subpar

Irrespective of whether Waterford gets senior minister or not the City has consistently under achieved over he last 50 years. When you compare and contrast its lack of development with its neighbour Killkenny.

There appears to be a lack of ambition , civic pride , imagination and the sheer hard work required to properly develop the city and see it reach its true potential. Its not all the politicians fault .

Gavlor

subpar wrote: »

Irrespective of whether Waterford gets senior minister or not the City has consistently under achieved over he last 50 years. When you compare and contrast its lack of development with its neighbour Killkenny.

There appears to be a lack of ambition , civic pride , imagination and the sheer hard work required to properly develop the city and see it reach its true potential. Its not all the politicians fault .

I honestly don't get this myth that's constantly spun about Kilkenny being so far ahead of Waterford.

Kilkenny pedestrianised outside the castle and that's pretty much it. No major IDA developments apart from glanbia & banking 365. Granted they also built one of the countries worst performing shopping centres in McDonough junction and have a smithwicks factory that no longer produces much smithwicks.

I'd suggest people take a midweek trip to Kilkenny from September to may. It's a ghost town despite having one street.

It's rocking every Saturday night and that's about it.

alta stare

Gavlor wrote: »

I honestly don't get this myth that's constantly spun about Kilkenny being so far ahead of Waterford.

Kilkenny pedestrianised outside the castle and that's pretty much it. No major IDA developments apart from glanbia & banking 365. Granted they also built one of the countries worst performing shopping centres in McDonough junction and have a smithwicks factory that no longer produces much smithwicks.

I'd suggest people take a midweek trip to Kilkenny from September to may. It's a ghost town despite having one street.

It's rocking every Saturday night and that's about it.

From the hundreds if not thousands of Waterford/Kilkenny threads someone has finally said it how it is in a simple non argumentative way. Fair play.

I said it before and ill say it again Kilkenny is a nice town to live in and visit, it is small and compact so it gives the impression its hopping all of the time but that is not the case. Overall it has less to do and see than Waterford.

When it comes to government representation Waterford like many counties do not have the luck or draw of any influentual politicans so its not like Waterford is on its own.

Dublin is an hour and a half away Cork is two Limerick also two so Waterford is never going to get the love, infastructure or money we all like to believe it deserves. WCC have done a fantastic job on the Greenway, Viking Triangle, Waterford Crystal etc and the potential of our coast and mountains is huge so lets promote those. People also forget how busy Tramore/Dunmore are over the summer so that is another thing we have we makes us a more attractive place to visit over somewhere with just a castle.

We put too much attention on our neighbours and i can never fathom why.

road_high

alta stare wrote: »

From the hundreds if not thousands of Waterford/Kilkenny threads someone has finally said it how it is in a simple non argumentative way. Fair play.

I said it before and ill say it again Kilkenny is a nice town to live in and visit, it is small and compact so it gives the impression its hopping all of the time but that is not the case. Overall it has less to do and see than Waterford.

When it comes to government representation Waterford like many counties do not have the luck or draw of any influentual politicans so its not like Waterford is on its own.

Dublin is an hour and a half away Cork is two Limerick also two so Waterford is never going to get the love, infastructure or money we all like to believe it deserves. WCC have done a fantastic job on the Greenway, Viking Triangle, Waterford Crystal etc and the potential of our coast and mountains is huge so lets promote those. People also forget how busy Tramore/Dunmore are over the summer so that is another thing we have we makes us a more attractive place to visit over somewhere with just a castle.

We put too much attention on our neighbours and i can never fathom why.

And the weird obsession with kilkenny goes on and on...is there ever a thread without comparing? To fact you have to continually tell yourself this tripe just Says it all really

Gavlor

road_high wrote: »

And the weird obsession with kilkenny goes on and on...is there ever a thread without comparing? To fact you have to continually tell yourself this tripe just Says it all really

Somebody else referenced Kilkenny, I simply pointed out that there is no comparison. Don't be so precious.

Max Powers

road_high wrote: »

And the weird obsession with kilkenny goes on and on...is there ever a thread without comparing? To fact you have to continually tell yourself this tripe just Says it all really

A bit silly road high, considering you're on here yourself regularly.

alta stare

road_high wrote: »

And the weird obsession with kilkenny goes on and on...is there ever a thread without comparing? To fact you have to continually tell yourself this tripe just Says it all really

Do you always find it hard to read something and also pay attention to what it actually says?

Squidvicious

alta stare wrote: »

From the hundreds if not thousands of Waterford/Kilkenny threads someone has finally said it how it is in a simple non argumentative way. Fair play.

I said it before and ill say it again Kilkenny is a nice town to live in and visit, it is small and compact so it gives the impression its hopping all of the time but that is not the case. Overall it has less to do and see than Waterford.

When it comes to government representation Waterford like many counties do not have the luck or draw of any influentual politicans so its not like Waterford is on its own.

Dublin is an hour and a half away Cork is two Limerick also two so Waterford is never going to get the love, infastructure or money we all like to believe it deserves. WCC have done a fantastic job on the Greenway, Viking Triangle, Waterford Crystal etc and the potential of our coast and mountains is huge so lets promote those. People also forget how busy Tramore/Dunmore are over the summer so that is another thing we have we makes us a more attractive place to visit over somewhere with just a castle.

We put too much attention on our neighbours and i can never fathom why.

This Waterford/Kilkenny comparison does come up a lot for whatever reason.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/63zjq6/megaregions_of_ireland_based_on_commutes/

I think that the above is a useful way of comparing cities/towns in Ireland if that's what you want to do. Simple population of a town or city can sometimes be deceptive as it doesn't take into account hinterland. The attached shows the effective working population of the top ten towns/cities in Ireland. I'm sure that you can pick holed in this as a means of comparing towns/cities but in my view it's a useful shorthand for showing where they all stand in size/importance. It's based on CSO statistics.

As for the rest of what you say, you're perfectly correct that Waterford has a huge amount to offer. In many ways, it doesn't really matter which is bigger/better, Kilkenny or Waterford - they both have lots to recommend them. The most important thing is doing all that can be done to improve your own city/region.

BBM77

Gavlor wrote: »

I honestly don't get this myth that's constantly spun about Kilkenny being so far ahead of Waterford.

Kilkenny pedestrianised outside the castle and that's pretty much it. No major IDA developments apart from glanbia & banking 365. Granted they also built one of the countries worst performing shopping centres in McDonough junction and have a smithwicks factory that no longer produces much smithwicks.

I'd suggest people take a midweek trip to Kilkenny from September to may. It's a ghost town despite having one street.

It's rocking every Saturday night and that's about it.

alta stare wrote: »

From the hundreds if not thousands of Waterford/Kilkenny threads someone has finally said it how it is in a simple non argumentative way. Fair play.

I said it before and ill say it again Kilkenny is a nice town to live in and visit, it is small and compact so it gives the impression its hopping all of the time but that is not the case. Overall it has less to do and see than Waterford.

When it comes to government representation Waterford like many counties do not have the luck or draw of any influentual politicans so its not like Waterford is on its own.

Dublin is an hour and a half away Cork is two Limerick also two so Waterford is never going to get the love, infastructure or money we all like to believe it deserves. WCC have done a fantastic job on the Greenway, Viking Triangle, Waterford Crystal etc and the potential of our coast and mountains is huge so lets promote those. People also forget how busy Tramore/Dunmore are over the summer so that is another thing we have we makes us a more attractive place to visit over somewhere with just a castle.

We put too much attention on our neighbours and i can never fathom why.

I completely agree with you both. But the answer to the question is also in your posts. What has p’ed people of is that some sections in Kilkenny are trying to push Kilkenny as that main city in the southeast and the economic driver. Which for the reasons you highlighted is just a fantasy. Not making any excuses for Waterford’s shortcomings, the fact that tourism and retail is only being properly developed now in Waterford is ridiculous. But the politics of pushing Kilkenny as a city has done a lot of damage to the southeast. That is where the attention comes from.

AdMMM

John Deasy left out in the cold again with John Paul Phelan getting the nod for a Junior Ministry.

The fact that he was given Local Government and Electoral Reform I'd imagine will put to bed the issue of the Waterford boundary, unless he wants to find himself contesting in the Waterford constituency next time!

Max Powers

I think there is a full and junior in wexford...if fg to have hope in next election here in Waterford, they need to front up what is needed for north quays as a minimum.

AdMMM

FG don't want Deasy to be elected again. Coffey was their primary candidate in the last election and couldn't get over the line. Any promotion for Deasy (assuming he even wanted it in the first place) would only hurt Coffey's chances of being elected.

road_high

BBM77 wrote: »

I completely agree with you both. But the answer to the question is also in your posts. What has p?ed people of is that some sections in Kilkenny are trying to push Kilkenny as that main city in the southeast and the economic driver. Which for the reasons you highlighted is just a fantasy. Not making any excuses for Waterford?s shortcomings, the fact that tourism and retail is only being properly developed now in Waterford is ridiculous. But the politics of pushing Kilkenny as a city has done a lot of damage to the southeast. That is where the attention comes from.

Jesus "what pushing of Kilkenny as the main city"?? Look at the reality. Anything in Kilkenny is put there and worked on pretty much by the local people. Sweet FA to do with central govt.... Who do even less for Kilkenny than for Waterford. It doesn't even have a college ffs.
This is paranoia taken to new heights. Kilkenny has been growing on its own merits, regardless of central govt.
Retail is a private business- again I don't see how Waterford could be behind in that regards...it has more diverse retailing- Kilkenny has a different focus i.e. small retailers in it's core. For example Waterford has 5 Tescos- Kilkenny has none. BTW I love a trip to Waterford the odd time for a change and some shops not in Kilkenny.

Max Powers

road_high wrote: »

Jesus "what pushing of Kilkenny as the main city"?? Look at the reality. Anything in Kilkenny is put there and worked on pretty much by the local people. Sweet FA to do with central govt.... Who do even less for Kilkenny than for Waterford. It doesn't even have a college ffs.
This is paranoia taken to new heights. Kilkenny has been growing on its own merits, regardless of central govt.
Retail is a private business- again I don't see how Waterford could be behind in that regards...it has more diverse retailing- Kilkenny has a different focus i.e. small retailers in it's core. For example Waterford has 5 Tescos- Kilkenny has none. BTW I love a trip to Waterford the odd time for a change and some shops not in Kilkenny.

Road high, you have been pushing the same line consistently accusing Waterford of obsession with kk, yet you're on here consistently obsessing about Waterford...then this rubbish insinuating that kk people are some how more industrious than Waterford people, its nonsense.i think at one stage you suggested the animation place a great success was some sort of typical example of kk strategy,crazy talk.what annoys Waterford people is the likes of kk not supporting the regional city, no where to be seen when the hospital groupings were happening and we were protesting and now quiet too on the cardiac care, add into the mix historical lack of investment in stuff like roads between the two places and working with other SE counties to undermine Waterford, not buying into the region and you do get some annoyance, the whole region will suffer if Waterford doesn't thrive and we'll be further ignored, and we'll have more and more stuff not available in the region, not just lack of cardiac care.

Gavlor

road_high wrote: »

Jesus "what pushing of Kilkenny as the main city"?? Look at the reality. Anything in Kilkenny is put there and worked on pretty much by the local people. Sweet FA to do with central govt.... Who do even less for Kilkenny than for Waterford. It doesn't even have a college ffs.
This is paranoia taken to new heights. Kilkenny has been growing on its own merits, regardless of central govt.
Retail is a private business- again I don't see how Waterford could be behind in that regards...it has more diverse retailing- Kilkenny has a different focus i.e. small retailers in it's core. For example Waterford has 5 Tescos- Kilkenny has none. BTW I love a trip to Waterford the odd time for a change and some shops not in Kilkenny.

Again? Really?

Retail is a private business, planning permission isn't.

road_high

Max Powers wrote: »

Road high, you have been pushing the same line consistently accusing Waterford of obsession with kk, yet you're on here consistently obsessing about Waterford...then this rubbish insinuating that kk people are some how more industrious than Waterford people, its nonsense.i think at one stage you suggested the animation place a great success was some sort of typical example of kk strategy,crazy talk.what annoys Waterford people is the likes of kk not supporting the regional city, no where to be seen when the hospital groupings were happening and we were protesting and now quiet too on the cardiac care, add into the mix historical lack of investment in stuff like roads between the two places and working with other SE counties to undermine Waterford, not buying into the region and you do get some annoyance, the whole region will suffer if Waterford doesn't thrive and we'll be further ignored, and we'll have more and more stuff not available in the region, not just lack of cardiac care.

Kilkenny and Waterford are on different wavelengths and thats the problem (from your perspective of course). There's no great south east region ingrained in my mentality or probably anybody north of ballyhale.
Not sure where it was insuated kilkenny was more industrious- it's just a fact that the place has and always has had to stand on its own two feet as regards central government. I think you seem to think that towns like kilkenny and Carlow are somehow going to step aside and "allow" Waterford develop in place of them- this is utter fantasy land. It's a competitive world out there, no where does this. It ain't going to happen. Time Waterford looked at itself, played on its own merits rather than expecting "support" (ah poor us) from elsewhere...if anything if you want to go down the road of invented suffering, it's Cork that are Waterfords biggest obstacle- airport, uni, hospital (read cardiac care) that have faced the greatest opposition from- kilkenny has none of those services. But kilkenny is an easier bogeyman for whatever reason (but then you expect support after endless ranting about kilkenny and all it's inherent evil (can you not see the contradiction?)
If I were Waterford I'd be love bombing kilkenny, Wexford and Carlow in order to gain the support you mention. Coming on here reading the antagonistic and openly hostile posts on here do Waterford no favours quite frankly. Just because it's next door does not equal a marriage made in heaven...

Deiseen

road_high wrote: »

Max Powers wrote: »

Road high, you have been pushing the same line consistently accusing Waterford of obsession with kk, yet you're on here consistently obsessing about Waterford...then this rubbish insinuating that kk people are some how more industrious than Waterford people, its nonsense.i think at one stage you suggested the animation place a great success was some sort of typical example of kk strategy,crazy talk.what annoys Waterford people is the likes of kk not supporting the regional city, no where to be seen when the hospital groupings were happening and we were protesting and now quiet too on the cardiac care, add into the mix historical lack of investment in stuff like roads between the two places and working with other SE counties to undermine Waterford, not buying into the region and you do get some annoyance, the whole region will suffer if Waterford doesn't thrive and we'll be further ignored, and we'll have more and more stuff not available in the region, not just lack of cardiac care.

Kilkenny and Waterford are on different wavelengths and thats the problem (from your perspective of course). There's no great south east region ingrained in my mentality or probably anybody north of ballyhale.
Not sure where it was insuated kilkenny was more industrious- it's just a fact that the place has and always has had to stand on its own two feet as regards central government. I think you seem to think that towns like kilkenny and Carlow are somehow going to step aside and "allow" Waterford develop in place of them- this is utter fantasy land. It's a competitive world out there, no where does this. It ain't going to happen. Time Waterford looked at itself, played on its own merits rather than expecting "support" (ah poor us) from elsewhere...if anything if you want to go down the road of invented suffering, it's Cork that are Waterfords biggest obstacle- airport, uni, hospital (read cardiac care) that have faced the greatest opposition from- kilkenny has none of those services. But kilkenny is an easier bogeyman for whatever reason (but then you expect support after endless ranting about kilkenny and all it's inherent evil (can you not see the contradiction?)
If I were Waterford I'd be love bombing kilkenny, Wexford and Carlow in order to gain the support you mention. Coming on here reading the antagonistic and openly hostile posts on here do Waterford no favours quite frankly. Just because it's next door does not equal a marriage made in heaven...

Competition is all well and good. Silence on important issues such as the hospital and university is just plain wrong.

road_high

Deiseen wrote: »

Competition is all well and good. Silence on important issues such as the hospital and university is just plain wrong.

Silence? I think you'll find Carlow kilkenny TDs based especially in south kilkenny have been and are very vocal on the cardiac services. Not sure what lots they can do? MICHEAL Martin FF isn't going to support that as in cork it's perceived as "taking resources" from Cork...but again Kilkenny is the villain here.
The Uni is the same. Cork undermined the upgrade to IT status years ago ensuring they "got one too". Kilkenny doesn't even have a 3rd level facility...

Chiparus

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/trust-will-be-at-the-core-of-varadkars-considerations-for-new-cabinet-35803042.html

Rules out Deasy every time.

Deiseen

road_high wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

Competition is all well and good. Silence on important issues such as the hospital and university is just plain wrong.

Silence? I think you'll find Carlow kilkenny TDs based especially in south kilkenny have been and are very vocal on the cardiac services. Not sure what lots they can do? MICHEAL Martin FF isn't going to support that as in cork it's perceived as "taking resources" from Cork...but again Kilkenny is the villain here.
The Uni is the same. Cork undermined the upgrade to IT status years ago ensuring they "got one too". Kilkenny doesn't even have a 3rd level facility...

Other than JP Phelan at a march, can you give me an example of a Carlow Kilkenny TD mentioning this?

We know cork is the enemy but if you can't have your neighbours back you up then your not going to be able to do much.

Max Powers

road_high wrote: »

Kilkenny and Waterford are on different wavelengths and thats the problem (from your perspective of course). There's no great south east region ingrained in my mentality or probably anybody north of ballyhale.
Not sure where it was insuated kilkenny was more industrious- it's just a fact that the place has and always has had to stand on its own two feet as regards central government. I think you seem to think that towns like kilkenny and Carlow are somehow going to step aside and "allow" Waterford develop in place of them- this is utter fantasy land. It's a competitive world out there, no where does this. It ain't going to happen. Time Waterford looked at itself, played on its own merits rather than expecting "support" (ah poor us) from elsewhere...if anything if you want to go down the road of invented suffering, it's Cork that are Waterfords biggest obstacle- airport, uni, hospital (read cardiac care) that have faced the greatest opposition from- kilkenny has none of those services. But kilkenny is an easier bogeyman for whatever reason (but then you expect support after endless ranting about kilkenny and all it's inherent evil (can you not see the contradiction?)
If I were Waterford I'd be love bombing kilkenny, Wexford and Carlow in order to gain the support you mention. Coming on here reading the antagonistic and openly hostile posts on here do Waterford no favours quite frankly. Just because it's next door does not equal a marriage made in heaven...

This is the short sightedness right here, no support for region and this will negatively affect us all., no one looking for a step aside from kk,wexford just proper support for region issues.facts are kk didn't get behind opposition to hospital groups,kk doctors not supporting cardiac care campaign.as much as you try to hide it, its clear you have contempt for Waterford, the things we are campaigning about: hospital, university , airport are regional issues yet you paint them as Waterford whinging, again contempt for Waterford and putting is down when you are actually putting down the issues important to whole region.kk or Waterford or wexford won't reach its potential by themselves and the region and counties will fall further behind

BBM77

road_high wrote: »

...There's no great south east region ingrained in my mentality or probably anybody north of ballyhale...

And this is why we find ourselves in a situation where people have literally died and why the south east has the highest unemployment rate. Give yourself and the lovely people north of Ballyhale a big pat on the back.