Car tax changes?

elperello

An interesting article in today's Irish Times about new rules which could end up costing us a lot of money.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/new-fuel-rules-will-drive-up-car-prices-and-motor-tax-costs-1.3105821

0ph0rce0

"the EU has said the new system must not add to the costs for the consumer"


That means we will be shafted somewhere down the line

colm_mcm

Changes to the way a car’s official fuel consumption and emissions are tested is changing this year, and could bring chaos to the Irish car market. Nothing has yet been done to update the motor tax and vehicle registration tax (VRT) systems.
The changes will begin from September, as the industry switches from the current New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) test to the actuallynew World Light Duty Test Programme (WLTP).

Jesus, does anyone proof-read anymore? That's before you get to the punctuation!

Atlantic Dawn

The manufacturers will have known about this for years and should have vehicles coming which will be the same or lower figures as those on the old system.

colm_mcm

Could be bad news for hybrids and PHEVs. They test them with a full battery as far as I know.

R.O.R

All new models are already subject to this. Look at the emissions on the new Insignia compared to the old model - much higher.

Extras specified on cars are also going to impact emissions, making things a nightmare to price.

zilog_jones

colm_mcm wrote: »

Could be bad news for hybrids and PHEVs. They test them with a full battery as far as I know.

If they are efficient vehicles, they should still achieve comparatively better fuel consumption and emissions than normal ICE vehicles - we'll just see more realistic figures and not the 100+ MPG nonsense we currently do.

The tax bands will need to be adjusted accordingly if there's going to be a big shift in CO2 emissions.

grogi

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The manufacturers will have known about this for years and should have vehicles coming which will be the same or lower figures as those on the old system.

If they new some magic then sure...

The new test is much more realistic and cheap tricks like Stop-Start systems will not help much.

celica00

Maybe I am wrong, but even though the test will be longer/more intense (whatever you call it), but new cars should still deliver better/solid results (compared to many older cars).
Because of that it shouldn't make a major difference altogether!?

grogi

colm_mcm wrote: »

Could be bad news for hybrids and PHEVs. They test them with a full battery as far as I know.

PHEVs need completely different test. There must be some kind of balance between EV and ICE test, because non of them is used exclusively only on one... EPA is already doing that in the States.

When it comes to conventional hybrids - if the test is long enough, the state of charge of the battery has minimal impact. The EV capacity of a hybrid is abysmal. If the test is 23km, that is just a few percent difference between running from fully charged and completely empty battery.

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https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/wltp.php#hev

zilog_jones

grogi wrote: »

The new test is much more realistic and cheap tricks like Stop-Start systems will not help much.

The Class 3b cycle (where most typical European cars will fall under) includes about 4 minutes stop time (13% of the test), so stuff like that will still help to some extent.

mikeecho

Simple solution.
A flat charge. No matter what you drive.
Broken down into :

Domestic petrol
Domestic diesel
Domestic electric
Commercial
Bike
HGV
Vehicle for disabled
Other. (Hackney, taxi, herse, ambulance, island vehicle, forklift, etc etc.. )

Flat rate..

Simple.

jca

mikeecho wrote: »

Simple solution.
A flat charge. No matter what you drive.
Broken down into :

Domestic petrol
Domestic diesel
Domestic electric
Commercial
Bike
HGV
Vehicle for disabled
Other. (Hackney, taxi, herse, ambulance, island vehicle, forklift, etc etc.. )

Flat rate..

Simple.

Strangely enough the majority of those classes are flat rate already, make domestic petrol and diesel flat rate? I can't see it happening, I'd love to see it happening but I don't think it ever will.