Citroen C-Crosser - diesel additive low

TigerTim

Hi All,

Just have a permanent fault on my 2008 Citroen C-Crosser. Fault is "level in additive tank low". Laptop says there's just over half a litre left so not an immediate issue. It's a sealed bag of Eloys DPF fluid which costs a whopping €409 from Citroen main dealer & then mechanics cost to fit it & reset counter. Anyone have this issue & is there any cheaper way around it.

Thanks,

T.

colm_mcm

This could be a runner?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRP-KIT-CERINA-DPF-FAP-3-Lt-EOLYS-176-CITROEN-C-CROSSER-2-2-HDi-02-10-ORIGINALE-/400710343649

mikeecho

Is this not just Ad Blu

Available from petrol stations, motor factors etc.

colm_mcm

No, they're not interchangeable.

mikeecho

colm_mcm wrote: »

No, they're not interchangeable.

What's the difference ?

bazz26

mikeecho wrote: »

Is this not just Ad Blu

Available from petrol stations, motor factors etc.

No AdBlu in those yokes back then, it would have been Eloys which is a DPF additive.

colm_mcm

mikeecho wrote: »

What's the difference ?

Adblue uses urea and Eolys uses cerium, the same stuff they use in self cleaning ovens. (Well, cerium oxide anyway)

Row

There's no real way avoiding this price as its a large pouch and they are on the expensive side...:rolleyes:
Not much cheaper online and you run the risk of the postman Bursting the pouch on delivery...:eek:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRP-ADDITIVO-CERINA-DPF-FAP-INFINEUM-F7995-PEUGEOT-4007-2-2-HDI-10-ORIGINALE-/400651858899

Also 9 times out of 10 the old pouch will have burst or has leaked out some fluid so using the old pouch is a none runner.

colm_mcm

Has anyone successfully taken a fuller bag from a newer crashed car? Didn't they still use eolys till 2014 or so? Are they interchangeable between models?

Fiskar

TigerTim wrote: »

Hi All,

Just have a permanent fault on my 2008 Citroen C-Crosser. Fault is "level in additive tank low". Laptop says there's just over half a litre left so not an immediate issue. It's a sealed bag of Eloys DPF fluid which costs a whopping €409 from Citroen main dealer & then mechanics cost to fit it & reset counter. Anyone have this issue & is there any cheaper way around it.

Thanks,

T.

It should not cost that much, I had the S40 topped up and internal service indicator reset for €225 in a Ford garage in Drogheda a few yr ago. Any Ford garage can do the car. They all shared the love for that engine (1.6D)!

Although going by what Row is indicating the Citroen guys seem to have come up with their own version of the French twist.
It never ceases to amaze me what diesel engines throw up with their weird and expensive emissions controls systems.

colm_mcm

I think the s40 has an actual tank though as opposed to a bag?

Row

The C4 Picasso's/Peugeot 3008's/5008's tend to have pouches which work out around €180/€190 but the 4007/Crossovers really sock it on with larger pouch.

From 2011/12 onwards Peugeot/Citroen went back to the tank system as the pouches tended to leak over time.

On the early 607's Pre 2002 Peugeot used DPX 42 fluid with a White cap.
From Mid 2002 onwards EOLYS 176 was used (Green cap)on all 407's/C5's etc.

Then INFINEUM F7995 replaced Eloys 176 and again has a Green cap and can be mixed with the older eloys 176.

Then to confuse things further they introduced EOLYS POWER FLEX which has a Light blue Cap....Both INFINEUM F7995 & EOLYS POWER FLEX are currently available from Peugeot Citroen today and one does not know which he needs until they remove covers and check the connector on the additive tank...:rolleyes:

Blue Connector = EOLYS POWER FLEX with Blue Cap
Green Connector = INFINEUM F7995 with Green Cap.

Peugeot/Citroen claim if you mix EOLYS POWER FLEX (Blue Cap) & INFINEUM F7995 (Green Cap) in the same tank it will result in blocking your Dpf.

Not forgetting the newer Peugeot/Citroens now use Ad-Blue along side they above additives..:)

Fiskar

Excellent summary of the French twist Row.

Best I scratch french cars off my shopping list! Very indecisive lot when it comes to testing design!

TigerTim

Great reply, Row

Hardly worth saving a few quid ordering off Ebay when risk of bag damage is too great. Looks like I'm snookered. I've got 6 years without changing it so I suppose its not too bad. Other than that, I'm very happy with the C-Crosser.

Could always get the local Polish guy to cut out the DPF & reprogram the ECU. Don't think its an NCT failure here yet but is, AFAIK, in the UK. Not very keen on doing that, though.

T.

colm_mcm

Would it be worth checking the condition of the bag then refilling?

Row

I Often taught of retrofitting and additive tank from say a 407 1.6/2.0 hdi onto the crossover/4007...would be a cheaper option..:)

@TigerTim....There is a plastic box bolted underneath/infront of the rear left wheel which holds the pouch.
Your as well off drop the full plastic box after loosing the support straps and fitting the pouch on a bench.
Note more than lightly the screws holding the plastic box together will shear so you may need to tap then out or fit new bolts.

_Brian

Usage is dependant on your diesel buying habits too.
Fluid is injected into the tank every time the fuel flap is operated. So if you keep topping up small amounts of fuel it uses more than if you are filling full tanks each time as you are causing the fluid to be injected more often.

It's a silly system really.

On our old C4GP the bag wore through and spilled the fluid out, cost half covered by garage.

TigerTim

Thanks for all the replies. I've always filled the tank with diesel so that reduced the number of times the Eolys was injected.

Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet & buy the fluid. Will keep an eye on the level with the laptop. Don't have the NCT till November so will live with the big warning light on the dash until the fluid runs lower. Laptop says there's about 600mls at the mo.

Thanks,

T.

TigerTim

Row wrote: »

I Often taught of retrofitting and additive tank from say a 407 1.6/2.0 hdi onto the crossover/4007...would be a cheaper option..:)

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That is a good idea. Plenty of 407's scrapped. Wonder is the pump & fittings the same. Must investigate.

Thanks,

T.

TigerTim

Row wrote: »

I Often taught of retrofitting and additive tank from say a 407 1.6/2.0 hdi onto the crossover/4007...would be a cheaper option..:)

@TigerTim....There is a plastic box bolted underneath/infront of the rear left wheel which holds the pouch.
Your as well off drop the full plastic box after loosing the support straps and fitting the pouch on a bench.
Note more than lightly the screws holding the plastic box together will shear so you may need to tap then out or fit new bolts.

Had to pay over the money (€400) & buy a new bag of DPF fluid. As you said Row, most of the screws were seized & had to be tapped/heated out & replaced with bolts.
Looking at the old bag it looks like it would be possible to cut the connecting pipe off the bag, fit some small plastic tank in the boot & run a hose between the two. Will try this if I still have the C-Crosser when it happens again. Should be a cheaper option.

T.

Fiskar

Shocking the hidden costs of these particulate additives, be they the fluid or the ridiculous effort to hid the unit inaccessible places. Hopefully your DPF will last a decent amount of time but mine did not. Plan for gutting that item out and you will enjoy stress free motoring,

Row

TigerTim wrote: »

Had to pay over the money (€400) & buy a new bag of DPF fluid. As you said Row, most of the screws were seized & had to be tapped/heated out & replaced with bolts.
Looking at the old bag it looks like it would be possible to cut the connecting pipe off the bag, fit some small plastic tank in the boot & run a hose between the two. Will try this if I still have the C-Crosser when it happens again. Should be a cheaper option.

T.

Tis difficult to get around it alright without getting it from Citroen.
the fittings on additive tanks are nearly all standard but the pump wiring maybe different...When i get round to it i must compare wiring diagrams to see if the e.g. 407/C5 tank is compatible.
What diagnostics did you use to reset the counters..?

TigerTim

My Mechanic has a generic diagnostic device. We used that. I have a Delphi setup & looking at that afterwards, it looks like you can reset the DPF counter with that as well. I reckon keeping the bit of pipe that comes out of the bag & into the pump (looks like a specific connection), its about 3 inches of pipe & putting a rubber hose of dimension the would just fit over this connector (tighten with jubilee clip) & running it up to a small resevoir in the storage compartment in the boot should probably work (I think) & just buy a litre of fluid to top up. Something the size of a power steering resevoir or small windscreen waster bottle would be ideal.

Tim.

Row

TigerTim wrote: »

My Mechanic has a generic diagnostic device. We used that. I have a Delphi setup & looking at that afterwards, it looks like you can reset the DPF counter with that as well. I reckon keeping the bit of pipe that comes out of the bag & into the pump (looks like a specific connection), its about 3 inches of pipe & putting a rubber hose of dimension the would just fit over this connector (tighten with jubilee clip) & running it up to a small resevoir in the storage compartment in the boot should probably work (I think) & just buy a litre of fluid to top up. Something the size of a power steering reservoir or small windscreen waster bottle would be ideal.

Tim.

Delphi should reset most psa additive systems up to 2010.
Good idea with the reservoir....You should have it setup for the next top up..:)