Mooshine, snake oil or legit?

Sam Kade

Apple cider vinegar for lowering cell counts.
https://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/mooshine-free-demo-samples/14726699?campaign=3

He sounds convincing, not that I have a problem with scc just one cow that decided 2 weeks ago to get mastitis and every time she's clear of antibiotics the same quarter swells up again, this is her third treatment :mad:

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

Apple cider vinegar for lowering cell counts.
https://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/mooshine-free-demo-samples/14726699?campaign=3

He sounds convincing, not that I have a problem with scc just one cow that decided 2 weeks ago to get mastitis and every time she's clear of antibiotics the same quarter swells up again, this is her third treatment :mad:

One word, cull...

ganmo

Looks fairly snakeoily to me.
Mainly though what makes it different from normal cider vinegar. The cow might like the taste!

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

One word, cull...

Would it not be worth drying off the quarter as she was fine the last 2 years?

Sam Kade

ganmo wrote: »

Looks fairly snakeoily to me.
Mainly though what makes it different from normal cider vinegar. The cow might like the taste!

I know of it with years supposed to be great for clearing dandruff and supposedly great for hair loss, like he said about his friend and no grey hair. You'd probably have to give gallons of it to cows though, not cheap.

pedigree 6

That add is a total p1sstake and they're not even hiding it.

Go through the pictures as well.

I knew someone that used to make moonshine once. Dead now.

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

That add is a total p1sstake and they're not even hiding it.

Go through the pictures as well.

I knew someone that used to make moonshine once. Dead now.

Hmm, It's a myth by this website, there seems to be a lot of snakeoil salesmen popping up on donedeal lately :mad:

http://crystalcreeknatural.com/pdfs/December_2011/05IngredientMythsInTheDairyIndustry.pdf

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

Apple cider vinegar for lowering cell counts.
https://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/mooshine-free-demo-samples/14726699?campaign=3

He sounds convincing, not that I have a problem with scc just one cow that decided 2 weeks ago to get mastitis and every time she's clear of antibiotics the same quarter swells up again, this is her third treatment :mad:

Did you test a sample from the quarter to see what strain of mastitis it is?

Not sure of your processor but Glanbia do a culture test.

The tube you're using, probably is useless against that strain.

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

Hmm, It's a myth by this website, there seems to be a lot of snakeoil salesmen popping up on donedeal lately :mad:

http://crystalcreeknatural.com/pdfs/December_2011/05IngredientMythsInTheDairyIndustry.pdf

You never asked about my moonshine friend man.:rolleyes:

Anyway he died of a heart attack.
Very sad.:(

ganmo

Sam Kade wrote: »

Hmm, It's a myth by this website, there seems to be a lot of snakeoil salesmen popping up on donedeal lately :mad:

http://crystalcreeknatural.com/pdfs/December_2011/05IngredientMythsInTheDairyIndustry.pdf

i thought they were always on it

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Did you test a sample from the quarter to see what strain of mastitis it is?

Not sure of your processor but Glanbia do a culture test.

The tube you're using, probably is useless against that strain.

I took a sample last year before drying off as I had at least one cow a month with mastitis. The result was that any dry cow tube would do them :rolleyes: I went with cepravin last year and no cases this year, except for this one.

Sam Kade

ganmo wrote: »

i thought they were always on it

I had one call to my yard last year, Christ he was selling some sh1te. He had a gallon that looked like water for high cell counts, ?300 for the gallon :rolleyes: Probably better off getting holy water from your local church

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

I took a sample last year before drying off as I had at least one cow a month with mastitis. The result was that any dry cow tube would do them :rolleyes: I went with cepravin last year and no cases this year, except for this one.

Very good.:)

But how do you know if the milking cow tube you're using now is effective against the strain that is in that quarter?

Because it sounds like it's not.:(

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Very good.:)

But how do you know if the milking cow tube you're using now is effective against the strain that is in that quarter?

Because it sounds like it's not.:(

I gave her tetra delta for the first 2 infections and I'm trying terexine now. The tetra delta brought down the swelling before next milking but she keeps recurring. Would I be better off sending in a sample to the vet?

Keepgrowing

Sam Kade wrote: »

I gave her tetra delta for the first 2 infections and I'm trying terexine now. The tetra delta brought down the swelling before next milking but she keeps recurring. Would I be better off sending in a sample to the vet?

Honestly Sam, I'd use Apple cider vinegar to make a salad dressing for the burger you know you should make from that cow.

blackdog1

Sam Kade wrote:

He sounds convincing, not that I have a problem with scc just one cow that decided 2 weeks ago to get mastitis and every time she's clear of antibiotics the same quarter swells up again, this is her third treatment

Had the same problem with 1. Tested it and it was strep and I got a better tube. That and a 2 shots of long acting anti inflammatory recommend by the vet sorted it.

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

I gave her tetra delta for the first 2 infections and I'm trying terexine now. The tetra delta brought down the swelling before next milking but she keeps recurring. Would I be better off sending in a sample to the vet?

I was looking it up tetra delta has an anti inflammatory corticosteroid prednisone.
So that would bring down the swelling but the ingredients still might not be treating the cause.
Terexine and tetra treat the very same mastitis. But duo fast and cobactan lc also treat straphylococcus dysgalactiae, agalactiae and uberis as well.
So..

Edit: terrexine has no anti inflammatory.

J.O. Farmer

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I was looking it up tetra delta has an anti inflammatory corticosteroid prednisone.
So that would bring down the swelling but the ingredients still might not be treating the cause.
Terexine and tetra treat the very same mastitis. But duo fast and cobactan lc also treat straphylococcus dysgalactiae, agalactiae and uberis as well.
So..

Edit: terrexine has no anti inflammatory.

I think a lot of those tubes have ampicillin or cloxacillin or both.

The combination should be better. 2+2=5 situation but both should be effective against the streptococcus strains listed.
The staphylococcus could be more resistant but I didn't think it was a major cause of mastitis.

The problem now is he's tried a couple of tubes and they've killed off the most susceptible bacteria and he's now left with the most resistant. It might need something like amoxicillin clavulanic acid now and don't know of any tubes with it.

pedigree 6

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

I think a lot of those tubes have ampicillin or cloxacillin or both.

The combination should be better. 2+2=5 situation but both should be effective against the streptococcus strains listed.
The staphylococcus could be more resistant but I didn't think it was a major cause of mastitis.

The problem now is he's tried a couple of tubes and they've killed off the most susceptible bacteria and he's now left with the most resistant. It might need something like amoxicillin clavulanic acid now and don't know of any tubes with it.

Ingredients of Tetra delta.

Neomycin.
Novobiocin.
Dihydrostreptomycin.
Procaine Benzylpenicillin.
Prednisolone.


Don't underestimate the prevelance of straphylococcus uberis.
I've had it here and if i gave the tetra or terrexine it would have no effect on it.
The only straphylococcus it would have an effect on is aureus.

Mooooo

What injection did you find worked against uberis if any?

J.O. Farmer

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Ingredients of Tetra delta.

Neomycin.
Novobiocin.
Dihydrostreptomycin.
Procaine Benzylpenicillin.
Prednisolone.


Don't underestimate the prevelance of straphylococcus uberis.
I've had it here and if i gave the tetra or terrexine it would have no effect on it.
The only straphylococcus it would have an effect on is aureus.

Are you sure it's not streptococcus uberis. I'm not familiar with staphylococcus uberis but strep uberis I believe is one of the most common causes of mastitis.

I'd try an ampicillin and cloxacillin based tube if there's any for milking cows. I know those should be good.

There's plenty of antibiotics in the tetra delta but I can't comment one way or the other on how effective they'd be against those strains.

Actually the best thing to do would be a culture test and it'd eliminate guess work.

pedigree 6

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Are you sure it's not streptococcus uberis. I'm not familiar with staphylococcus uberis but strep uberis I believe is one of the most common causes of mastitis.

I'd try an ampicillin and cloxacillin based tube if there's any for milking cows. I know those should be good.

There's plenty of antibiotics in the tetra delta but I can't comment one way or the other on how effective they'd be against those strains.

Actually the best thing to do would be a culture test and it'd eliminate guess work.

You have me.
It's streptococci uberis. D'oh.

And I had uberis here in the past.
I wrote it out last night on paper and linked a line from uberis to straphylococcus.:rolleyes:

It's straphylococcus agalactiae and dysgalactiae that duo fast and cobacton will also treat.
I can't comment on the treatments that you prescribe. (Don't know).

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

That add is a total p1sstake and they're not even hiding it.

Go through the pictures as well.

I knew someone that used to make moonshine once. Dead now.

Not a p1sstake, they are selling 1k litre tank of it for 1600.

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

Not a p1sstake, they are selling 1k litre tank of it for 1600.

Conmen then.

I can sell you some wexford air for 50 Euro a bag.
I'll even bag it myself if you bring your own bag.

MFdaveIreland

i was chatting to a feed mill and they were adding this to mixes as it apparently reduced SCC. apple cider vinegar is a bit of a super food fir human at the minute too, must be something in it

ganmo

MFdaveIreland wrote: »

i was chatting to a feed mill and they were adding this to mixes as it apparently reduced SCC. apple cider vinegar is a bit of a super food fir human at the minute too, must be something in it

Mills will add anything to a mix if they will sell a few more tonne at a higher price
http://crystalcreeknatural.com/pdfs/December_2011/05IngredientMythsInTheDairyIndustry.pdf

The part time boy

Quote fromTipperary Farmer

“Quote from Enniskillen Dairy Farmer"

This says enough for me. It worked so good I don't want to give my name !

Sam Kade

The part time boy wrote: »

This says enough for me. It worked so good I don't want to give my name !

Tom from Tipperary
Eoin from Enniskellen

Does that help

Buford T. Justice XIX

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Conmen then.

I can sell you some wexford air for 50 Euro a bag.
I'll even bag it myself if you bring your own bag.

I might be interested, is it organic, free trade, sustainably produced vegan air?:pac:

mf240

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I might be interested, is it organic, free trade, sustainably produced vegan air?:pac:

You'd have to collect it on a push bike with fair trade tyres and a recycled frame.

The part time boy

Sam Kade wrote: »

The part time boy wrote: »

This says enough for me. It worked so good I don't want to give my name !

Tom from Tipperary
Eoin from Enniskellen

Does that help

Actally they might have fooled a few people with that . Tom Murphy . The pictures though tells me they can't be serious . But I think they are

Markcheese

I'd have no trouble using cider vinger as a "tonic', but it's not magic... Couple of bottles would be cheaper than more tubes and with holding milk... Culturing to find out which tubes is probably the best move though..
Chances are they're throwing a bit of sea weed meal in as well, as their secret mix of herbs, to put a shine on the animals coat..