I was caught driving underage

Jordan 83626

Hi. I was just wondering. I was caught driving today in my local area I am 16 and have no licence. My mother was in the car with me and she has a full drivers licence. The guardai took both of our names and the vehicles details and also asked for our address. Do you think I will be banned from driving?

jelutong

Yes.

helimachoptor

Your mother should also be banned for being a moron

SwD

Jordan 83626 wrote: »

Hi. I was just wondering. I was caught driving today in my local area I am 16 and have no licence. My mother was in the car with me and she has a full drivers licence. The guardai took both of our names and the vehicles details and also asked for our address. Do you think I will be banned from driving?

So you were driving, illegally, without a licence or insurance.... and your mother let you?

You should be banned, she should be convicted for neglect.

RustyNut

You are likely to get a substantial fine and/or a ban. Your mother could be done for permitting you to drive with no insurance.

You are probably entitled to a caution under the juvenile lesson scheme.

Your mother will hopefully be fined and/or summonsed to court for allowing you to drive

thelad95

I have a feeling that your mother will end up worse off from this than you.

Jesus I often look in a line of traffic and wonder who has no tax, no insurance etc. but driving at 16 with no license or insurance with a parents permission is really not good.

What were the circumstances OP?

beechwood55

Your mother may end up with a conviction for this. Whose idea was it anyway?

Sam Kade

thelad95 wrote: »

I have a feeling that your mother will end up worse off from this than you.

Jesus I often look in a line of traffic and wonder who has no tax, no insurance etc. but driving at 16 with no license or insurance with a parents permission is really not good.

What were the circumstances OP?

Go to any college car park and check out the amount of people driving on their own on learner permits.

jcd5971

helimachoptor wrote:

Your mother should also be banned for being a moron

No need for that at all.

Look maybe not the best idea ever, especially nowadays but myself and many others were taught the basics the same way.

A mistake was made. No need to be rude and insulting

beechwood55

jcd5971 wrote: »

No need for that at all.

Look maybe not the best idea ever, especially nowadays but myself and many others were taught the basics the same way.

A mistake was made. No need to be rude and insulting

It's more than a mistake. It's illegal.
What people used to do years ago is irrelevant.

thelad95

Sam Kade wrote: »

Go to any college car park and check out the amount of people driving on their own on learner permits.

Yes but they still have a license of some sort and at least the car is more than likely insured. As long as you have your L plates up, you'd have to meet a guard in a fierce bad mood to do you for that.

It's not right but the implications are far less in an accident than a 16 year old with no license or insurance of any sort.

Del2005

thelad95 wrote: »

Yes but they still have a license of some sort and at least the car is more than likely insured. As long as you have your L plates up, you'd have to meet a guard in a fierce bad mood to do you for that.

It's not right but the implications are far less in an accident than a 16 year old with no license or insurance of any sort.

They don't have a licence they have a permit and by driving unaccompanied they have invalidated the permit so technically have no insurance, but this is Ireland so they are let on their way to continue driving illegally.

km991148

thelad95 wrote: »

Yes but they still have a license of some sort and at least the car is more than likely insured. As long as you have your L plates up, you'd have to meet a guard in a fierce bad mood to do you for that.

It's not right but the implications are far less in an accident than a 16 year old with no license or insurance of any sort.

lol they are both as bad as each other - in both situations they are unlicensed drivers.

And I din't get why the car is insured if an illegal/unlicensed driver is driving - why isn't the insurance void?

amcalester

km991148 wrote: »

lol they are both as bad as each other - in both situations they are unlicensed drivers.

And I din't get why the car is insured if an illegal/unlicensed driver is driving - why isn't the insurance void?

Insurance will pay out to any injured third party but not for the unlicensed driver.

They may even persue said driver to recoup any payouts.

thelad95

Del2005 wrote: »

They don't have a licence they have a permit and by driving unaccompanied they have invalidated the permit so technically have no insurance, but this is Ireland so they are let on their way to continue driving illegally.

Yes but too earn that permit they've at least gained some driver education from sitting the theory test, and most insurance companies will still pay out something at least although as has been said above the learner driver would be screwed.

No license and no insurance is way more disastrous to a third party.

km991148

amcalester wrote: »

Insurance will pay out to any injured third party but not for the unlicensed driver.

They may even persue said driver to recoup any payouts.

Its a strange situation - I think other places it is immediately void. Having this pair of safety nets (i.e. an insurance catch all for illegal behaviour) and having to catch a guard 'having a fierce bad day' can't be good for the quality of driving out there.

Timfy

km991148 wrote: »

And I din't get why the car is insured if an illegal/unlicensed driver is driving - why isn't the insurance void?

Without wanting to hijack the thread, this is something that has always confused me since moving to Ireland 10 years ago.

In the UK if you are unaccompanied and on a provisional licence, you are not insured. If you are in a vehicle that had no MOT (NCT) then again your insurance was null and void.[edit: unless you could prove that you where on your way to or returning from an MOT centre] If you modified your vehicle then your insurance was no longer valid. The insurance companies will scrutinise every incident for even the tiniest question marks.

The unaccompanied learner especially was a serious offence over there. Here in Ireland I know people who have been driving on learners permits and unaccompanied for years! As long as there's a tax disc the guards don't seem too worried!

Before I'm shot down in flames, please realise that I'm not preaching right or wrong or being all "down with sort of thing"... it just genuinely confuses me!

Back to the OP, I would imagine that you may get a warning or a fine and points on the licence that you do not even have yet. I'm not sure if your mother has committed any statute offence, but as she was technically in charge of a motor vehicle (as she was supervising yourself), despite not being behind the wheel, there may still be an offence that I'm not aware of.

Del2005

thelad95 wrote: »

Yes but too earn that permit they've at least gained some driver education from sitting the theory test, and most insurance companies will still pay out something at least although as has been said above the learner driver would be screwed.

No license and no insurance is way more disastrous to a third party.

The theory test while a good start is not a way to learn how to drive. I can read a book about how to fly a plane does that mean I can take a microlight for a spin?

Driving unaccompanied means no licence and while it's correct that 3rd parties are affected there should be more penalties for the person who drove illegally. Any other country in the world and learners driving unaccompanied is a major issue which usually results in the vehicle being lifted at least.

biko

Thanks everyone for playing.


OP, ask your mother to talk to a solicitor.