Employer and revenue issue

Moonriver99

Hi all,

I really need your guidance on this matter as I am clearly not good with things like PRSI, PAYE and employment issues.

I currently work for a pharmacy and I am paid monthly. I took on the job three months ago after nine months of an internship scheme there. However revenue have said my last job was as an SNA(in 2015) and that there is no indication that i am employed or making contributions.

She basically dismissed me and said that it was absolutely up to me to contact revenue when starting a new job and I do not get this because any job I have been in, this is not something I was told I was to do. I get paid slips each month saying I am paying PAYE PRSI and USC yet I do not seem to be because the revenue are telling me that I havent worked at all.

I am under AX for the PRSI class. I can genuinely not make heads or tails of my payslip and I am sorry but I have worked for ten eleven years and it was never me who had to set this up only, always the employer. Also where is the money gone if I am not paying it to revenue? I gave all my details PPS number to my employer so I do not understand why Im not registered.

I am so sorry for my ignorance on this subject but I do not have an iota of intelligence on the subject. Does this seem right. I do think I am paying over the top for my prsi but revenue are not getting it.

EverythingGood

Moonriver99 wrote: »

Hi all,

I really need your guidance on this matter as I am clearly not good with things like PRSI, PAYE and employment issues.

I currently work for a pharmacy and I am paid monthly. I took on the job three months ago after none months of an interneship scheme there. However revenue have said my last job was as an SNA(in 2015) and that there is no indication that i am employed or making contributions.

She basically dismissed me and said that it was absolutely up to me to contact revenue when starting a new job and I do not get this because any job I have been in, this is not something I was told I was to do. I get paid slips each month saying I am paying PAYE PRSI and USC yet I do not seem to be because the revenue are telling me that I havent worked at all.

I am under AX for the PRSI class. I can genuinely not make heads or tails of my payslip and I am sorry but I have worked for ten eleven years and it was never me who had to set this up only, always the employer. Also where is the money gone if I am not paying it to revenue? I gave all my details PPS number to my employer so I do not understand why Im not registered.

I am so sorry for my ignorance on this subject but I do not have an iota of intelligence on the subject. Does this seem right. I do think I am paying over the top for my prsi but revenue are not getting it.

You can log onto revenune.ie, have your employers registration number to hand, and enter new employment details directly yourself now. Sounds like you just got a bad, unhelpful person at revenue. I generally find them to be the best state agency to deal with. Did you give your current employer a P45 from last job?

Mrs OBumble

Your last p45 is irrelevant since you weren't working earlier this year.

It is your employers responsibility to tell revenue. But some are slack about it, so its good practise to tell them yourself too.

You can do it by registering with their online system but may find it easier to call them.

Make sure youhave the date you started as an employee and their employer registration numbet when you call.

Moonriver99

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Your last p45 is irrelevant since you weren't working earlier this year.

It is your employers responsibility to tell revenue. But some are slack about it, so its good practise to tell them yourself too.

You can do it by registering with their online system but may find it easier to call them.

Make sure youhave the date you started as an employee and their employer registration numbet when you call.

I have done that today. My issue is other employees never had to do that. There is also one employee who rang up about her tax and they said she hadn't been employed since December but it's not true. She had been working since May last year. So suddenly at Dec she has been not working and now cannot claim on her tax as she unknowingly was not paying tax since December. She certainly didn't ring up and tell them she wasn't working any more.

thesimpsons

Moonriver99 wrote: »

I have done that today. My issue is other employees never had to do that. There is also one employee who rang up about her tax and they said she hadn't been employed since December but it's not true. She had been working since May last year. So suddenly at Dec she has been not working and now cannot claim on her tax as she unknowingly was not paying tax since December. She certainly didn't ring up and tell them she wasn't working any more.

You should always contact Revenue yourself when starting a new job. Most employers are great and helpful, but at the end of the day, paying correct taxes is the responsibility of the employee. Its possible that the taxes deducted from you have been forwarded to revenue correctly but are just not allocated against your PPS number. If you have all your payslips showing deductions and the P60 from 2016, you will be able to prove your case and despite all the horror stories you will hear, Revenue are very helpful.

In same way, if your friend has her payslips and P60 she will be able to get her case sorted too. Have ye both being paying emergency tax (as it is revenue who would give your employer the correct tax credits and deductions, but if Revenue don't know about your place of employment, they can't do that). Once you are registered correctly with revenue, you should then request a P21 Balancing Statement for 2016 to do a recalculation of last years taxes. Similarly, do the same when you have your 2017 P60 form (next February)

Moonriver99

I did not hand in a p45 from what I remember but I do not think I'm being emergency taxed .

I don't really buy that it's up to me entirely to do this as I was told by my employer that he would take care of it. In any time I've worked it's always been that my employer has taken care of this and I'm sorry but revenue were pretty unhelpful. This may be a new thing but I've never had an employer take me on it sounds so dodgy to me. Why give me my payslips saying im paying prsi usc etc. When I'm quite obviously not. It has never been told to me or anyone that I take care of my taxes. I know I sound wholly stupid but no one I know has ever had to ring up revenue to make sure they were a registered employee.


Whatever about me, I cannot understand why my colleague is only noted as working from May to December last year and then suddenly she is not working according to revenue. She is still working there. I have not received a p60. She has.

Moonriver99

Thank you as well for all replied. At least il be cautious and ensure I have to look after it myself. Personally im not sure I trust my employer. I'm paid from a bank account but work the company I actually work for I'd is a different name.

relax carry on

Moonriver99 wrote: »

I did not hand in a p45 from what I remember but I do not think I'm being emergency taxed .

I don't really buy that it's up to me entirely to do this as I was told by my employer that he would take care of it. In any time I've worked it's always been that my employer has taken care of this and I'm sorry but revenue were pretty unhelpful. This may be a new thing but I've never had an employer take me on it sounds so dodgy to me. Why give me my payslips saying im paying prsi usc etc. When I'm quite obviously not. It has never been told to me or anyone that I take care of my taxes. I know I sound wholly stupid but no one I know has ever had to ring up revenue to make sure they were a registered employee.


Whatever about me, I cannot understand why my colleague is only noted as working from May to December last year and then suddenly she is not working according to revenue. She is still working there. I have not received a p60. She has.

It's a new system within Revenue that's been in for months. The onus is on you or your employer to register your employment. It's not something that's handled over the phone anymore.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/online/jobs-pensions.html

Re the December cease date, that's a technical problem which can occur when employers file their end of year returns with Revenue. It can be sorted out with a request via the my enquiries service.

Moonriver99

relax carry on wrote: »

It's a new system within Revenue that's been in for months. The onus is on you or your employer to register your employment. It's not something that's handled over the phone anymore.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/online/jobs-pensions.html

Re the December cease date, that's a technical problem which can occur when employers file their end of year returns with Revenue. It can be sorted out with a request via the my enquiries service.

Thank you. I am glad I know that and accept the responsibility in future.

I know I sound suspicious but do you think there is a bad /dodgy reason why an employee would be left out? I'm really only asking because my colleague is wary of our employer. Is there any benefit to take someone off as not working although they are working??? Sorry I do not know loopholes for employer's in employment law and I'm keen to make sure everything is fine. It just seems like a big oversight when filing tax returns.

Moonriver99

Also just to point out, while the onus is on me how come my employer has registered the other employees in the company and not me. He also knocked off one at the end of the year. Does not seem really right.

hinault

Moonriver99 wrote: »

Hi all,

I really need your guidance on this matter as I am clearly not good with things like PRSI, PAYE and employment issues.

I currently work for a pharmacy and I am paid monthly. I took on the job three months ago after nine months of an internship scheme there. However revenue have said my last job was as an SNA(in 2015) and that there is no indication that i am employed or making contributions.

She basically dismissed me and said that it was absolutely up to me to contact revenue when starting a new job and I do not get this because any job I have been in, this is not something I was told I was to do. I get paid slips each month saying I am paying PAYE PRSI and USC yet I do not seem to be because the revenue are telling me that I havent worked at all.

I am under AX for the PRSI class. I can genuinely not make heads or tails of my payslip and I am sorry but I have worked for ten eleven years and it was never me who had to set this up only, always the employer. Also where is the money gone if I am not paying it to revenue? I gave all my details PPS number to my employer so I do not understand why Im not registered.

I am so sorry for my ignorance on this subject but I do not have an iota of intelligence on the subject. Does this seem right. I do think I am paying over the top for my prsi but revenue are not getting it.

If you are employed, it is the responsibility of your employer to be deducting the correct amount of income tax (PAYE), PRSI and USC from your gross salary, and it is your employers duty to pay of the deductions to the collector-general on your behalf.

If you have given your employer your PPS number, then your employer must contact Revenue to obtain details of your tax credits, so that your employer can correctly calculate all of the deductions to be made from your salary.
Your employer can obtain your tax credit details by completing Form 46, and sending the form to Revenue.
Until your employer obtains your updated tax details from Revenue, your employer is required to make deductions from your salary at "emergency" tax rates.

When Revenue issue your updated tax credit certificate to your employer, you should receive a rebate from the difference between the deductions made at "emergency" tax rates and the updated rates on your new tax certificate.

relax carry on

Moonriver99 wrote: »

Thank you. I am glad I know that and accept the responsibility in future.

I know I sound suspicious but do you think there is a bad /dodgy reason why an employee would be left out? I'm really only asking because my colleague is wary of our employer. Is there any benefit to take someone off as not working although they are working??? Sorry I do not know loopholes for employer's in employment law and I'm keen to make sure everything is fine.

There could be, but it's more likely that technical issue I mentioned. Have your colleague contact Revenue via myequires to advise that there has been no break in employment.

Moonriver99

Perfect thank You!!!!

Moonriver99

hinault wrote: »

If you are employed, it is the responsibility of your employer to be deducting the correct amount of income tax (PAYE), PRSI and USC from your gross salary, and it is your employers duty to pay of the deductions to the collector-general on your behalf.

If you have given your employer your PPS number, then your employer must contact Revenue to obtain details of your tax credits, so that your employer can correctly calculate all of the deductions to be made from your salary.
Your employer can obtain your tax credit details by completing Form 46, and sending the form to Revenue.
Until your employer obtains your updated tax details from Revenue, your employer is required to make deductions from your salary at "emergency" tax rates.

When Revenue issue your updated tax credit certificate to your employer, you should receive a rebate from the difference between the deductions made at "emergency" tax rates and the updated rates on your new tax certificate.

Omg I'm confused. So I did hand him my pps and he said he would sort everything so I believed him. But everyone else says it's my responsibility.

relax carry on

Moonriver99 wrote: »

Omg I'm confused. So I did hand him my pps and he said he would sort everything so I believed him. But everyone else says it's my responsibility.

It's both. If you've given the info to your employer and they hadn't sorted it in a week or 2 then do it your self online.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/business/paye/guide/employers-guide-paye-recommencing.html

hinault

Moonriver99 wrote: »

Omg I'm confused. So I did hand him my pps and he said he would sort everything so I believed him. But everyone else says it's my responsibility.

It's not your responsibility, if you have given your employer your PPS number.

It is your employers responsibility to correctly and accurately make deductions from your wages : your employer can only do so accurately by obtaining your tax credit certificate from Revenue. It is also your employers duty to inform Revenue that you are employed you.

arriba

Rather than wait for an employer to register the employment, which they might do after several weeks, register it yourself as soon as you begin a new employment. You can do this online in the jobs and pensions services section of myaccount.

Moonriver99

hinault wrote: »

It's not your responsibility, if you have given your employer your PPS number.

It is your employers responsibility to correctly and accurately make deductions from your wages : your employer can only do so accurately by obtaining your tax credit certificate from Revenue. It is also your employers duty to inform Revenue that you are employed you.

Then why wouldn't he do it? Like I guess my issue is of I'm under an impression that my employer is doing this for me why would I ever ring the revenue. I get pay slips every month as well specifying that I'm paying it. It doesn't make any sense for me if I trust my employer is doing what he says. It's seems like some people are saying it's my duty but I don't see how. When he took my pps, it was pretty much a given that I was going on the books and paying my share of prsi. I talked to my aunt who works in tax sje is of the same opinion. If I'm getting deductions on my pay slip and revenue isn't getting them...where are They? Sorry now I'm in no way getting on to anyone I'm just very frustrated with not understanding how this works. In all my working life I've never had to declare I'm working to the revenue. I worked for dept of education and skills and that was also done for me.

I'm totally wondering why revenue is pretty blase about the whole lot of it. Like oh yeah ok your not working according to US but you actually are working. Is that not illegal by my employer

Moonriver99

arriba wrote: »

Rather than wait for an employer to register the employment, which they might do after several weeks, register it yourself as soon as you begin a new employment. You can do this online in the jobs and pensions services section of myaccount.

I have done that. I have them my employer's company registration number