Looking for alternatives please

Stoner

We received great advice that we followed here in 2014.

We have a civic tourer. The young man is two and has a rear facing child seat from Sweden.

As a result the passenger seat is very tight.

We've looked at a few cars

But at the moment the skoda kodiaq and superb combi are looking good, ambition models in each.

We were offered 12 for the Civic on a trade in 2014. I think privately we'd get 25 percent more

On the road each skoda would be about 36K

For cash there's about 2K off on the superb and about 1200 on the kodiaq.

Essentially there's little in it on the money side.

The Superb is longer , it's not really but even in 5 seat mode the kodiaq is not as comfortable with the child seat in.

The Civic is too small for this seat

Anyway herself isn't mad on it's looks or name.

So would anyone have anything to say on this ?

Thank you again .

Pkiernan

Stoner wrote: »

We received great advice that we followed here in 2014.

We have a civic tourer. The young man is two and has a rear facing child seat from Sweden.

As a result the passenger seat is very tight.

We've looked at a few cars

But at the moment the skoda kodiaq and superb combi are looking good, ambition models in each.

We were offered 12 for the Civic on a trade in 2014. I think privately we'd get 25 percent more

On the road each skoda would be about 36K

For cash there's about 2K off on the superb and about 1200 on the kodiaq.

Essentially there's little in it on the money side.

The Superb is longer , it's not really but even in 5 seat mode the kodiaq is not as comfortable with the child seat in.

The Civic is too small for this seat

Anyway herself isn't mad on it's looks or name.

So would anyone have anything to say on this ?

Thank you again .

Ford S max

Indricotherium

Stoner wrote: »

We received great advice that we followed here in 2014.

We have a civic tourer. The young man is two and has a rear facing child seat from Sweden.

As a result the passenger seat is very tight.

We've looked at a few cars

But at the moment the skoda kodiaq and superb combi are looking good, ambition models in each.

We were offered 12 for the Civic on a trade in 2014. I think privately we'd get 25 percent more

On the road each skoda would be about 36K

For cash there's about 2K off on the superb and about 1200 on the kodiaq.

Essentially there's little in it on the money side.

The Superb is longer , it's not really but even in 5 seat mode the kodiaq is not as comfortable with the child seat in.

The Civic is too small for this seat

Anyway herself isn't mad on it's looks or name.

So would anyone have anything to say on this ?

Thank you again .

Change the car seat.

Stoner

Indricotherium wrote:

Change the car seat.

Not an option.

Indricotherium

Stoner wrote: »

Not an option.

You're talking about dropping 20 grand because a car seat you are going to be using for about 3 months makes the front passenger seat a little uncomfortable?

That's bananas.

Stoner

Indricotherium wrote:

That's bananas.

No I'm not.

He'll be seated rear facing for years.

Anyway back to options on cars.

Nuw

I wouldn't be as direct as the other poster but even if you do keep the seat for years, it will still be by far cheaper to replace it rather than the car... but OK.

Out of the two I'd go for the Superb, better to drive and most likely easier on the juice in the real world.

grogi

Stoner wrote: »

So would anyone have anything to say on this?

Superb. Nothing else in popular market will give you as much space in the rear row.

And you're doing right think with the RWF seat.

Odyssey 2005

Been driving a superb since 2009. You won't be sorry. I have the saloon though. Don't like the combi.

Stoner

Thanks all.

I don't see anything else in that range either.

The kodiaq is more or less the same size. I've compared the technical data and there's nothing in it. But I think the superb has a better configuration for us as we don't care or need the 7 seat arrangement even if you get it with 5 seats it's still hampered by it's Potential for 7

Stoner

grogi wrote:

And you're doing right thing with the RWF seat.

Thanks. I know the safety data on this is pretty alarming, once you hear it and speak to the RSA guys it would be hard not to go with it. So it's a given not an option for us.

Stoner

Odyssey 2005 wrote:

Been driving a superb since 2009. You won't be sorry. I have the saloon though. Don't like the combi.

The combi is for the boarder collies, I'd have the saloon too but there are practical reasons for it.

Mooooo

An a6 or 5 series estate secondhand perhaps? Don't know would they have more space or not but may be worth checking out as they seem to be bigger than Passat /superb size cars

Oafley Jones

Stoner wrote: »

No I'm not.

He'll be seated rear facing for years.

Anyway back to options on cars.

Out of curiousty, what's the car seat? Ours maxed out at 35 pounds for rear facing.

grogi

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Out of curiousty, what's the car seat? Ours maxed out at 35 pounds for rear facing.

There are many seats that are certified and Plus Tested up to 25kg.

For instance Maxi Cosi Moby, Axkid Wolmax or Minikid etc.

Oafley Jones

grogi wrote: »

There are many seats that are certified and Plus Tested up to 25kg.

For instance Maxi Cosi Moby, Axkid Wolmax or Minikid etc.

Will have to look at those, height requirements would be an issue as well given my eldest is very tall.

grogi

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Will have to look at those, height requirements would be an issue as well given my eldest is very tall.

Here is the list tested by the Swedish.

http://ntf.se/konsumentupplysning/marknadsoversikter/bilbarnstolar/?filterType=&filterApproval=&sort=NameOfProduct

Look for the string 'Plustestad: 25 kg'

Stoner

Oafley Jones wrote:

Out of curiousty, what's the car seat? Ours maxed out at 35 pounds for rear facing.

Currently we've two axkid minikids imported from Sweden 0-25 KG

I think my wife has some gigantic thing lined up for after that.

Indricotherium

Stoner wrote: »

Thanks. I know the safety data on this is pretty alarming, once you hear it and speak to the RSA guys it would be hard not to go with it. So it's a given not an option for us.

You shouldn't look at any one set of data in isolation, and the RSA are a fine organisation doing great work, but all they care about is road deaths.

There's more to safety than mitigating injury in an accident that might happen.

Emotional safety, being able to see out the front, talk to the driver, and engage with the journey are all eliminated on daily basis by sticking children who are well able for a forward facing seat in a ridiculously over engineered rear facing seat.

In my opinion this is much more damaging than an injury in a crash that in all likelihood won't happen.

Stoner

Indricotherium wrote:

You shouldn't look at any one set of data in isolation, and the RSA are a fine organisation doing great work, but all they care about is road deaths.

We didn't look at a set of data in isolation. I look at data every day in my job I understand the dangers of such an approach, thank you for the advice though I understand that I didn't point that out though.

My wife and I have made a decision to do this as we consider it the best method for our child we are both capable of assessing data, she's looked into this extensively.

I appreciate the input and that it is genuine and coming from a good place, we are all responsible for our children's safety and entitled to an opinion but should do what we think is best for our children.

I'm just looking for alternatives that have a good long distance between the back of the front seat and the back seat, as discussed I just wanted to talk about what car to buy, not what baby seat to get, that's why I posted here in the motors forum.

I think the superb is the correct car and as usual I've received great advice here thank you all.
I think they've gone out of their way to make their cars longer than the competition.
The A6 is a lovely car. We only use this car two to three days a week so I'm assuming petrol would be better that's why I was interested to hear that the superb was now on offer with the 1.4 TSI automatic 150 BHP option. I didn't think the 125 BHP petrol would have the diddy for such a large car. The extra 25 would make all the difference. Only test drove the 2L 150 BHP diesel though.

My wife isn't mad on the Skoda brand but I don't care about that as I think it's excellent value for the cars they sell.

Indricotherium

Stoner wrote: »

My wife isn't mad on the Skoda brand but I don't care about that as I think it's excellent value for the cars they sell.

Show her the umbrellas in the doors.

R.O.R

I've sat in the back of an A8 Lwb and the leg room there is about on par with the back of a superb, so that is your best option.

A former colleague has a rear facing seat for his 4 year old in the back of his V90 and that's rubbing against the back of the front seat.

Lantus

Skoda are massive for the money. The SUV will always be slightly smaller so the superb is the max space. Great car.

I couldn't wait to get my kids into forward facing seats. You can talk to them and show them stuff as you drive.

Forcing a 3 year old to sit backwards sounds a bit cruel.

What evidence compels you to do this? We all want our kids to be safe but modern cars in conjunction with driving in a very safe and steady manner are your best defence.

R.O.R

Lantus wrote: »

What evidence compels you to do this? We all want our kids to be safe but modern cars in conjunction with driving in a very safe and steady manner are your best defence.

There's lots of evidence and statistics to prove young children are much safer (5 x safer) in rear facing seats than forward facing seats. It's due to the relative size & weight of their heads compared to their overall size, and their neck muscles are not as well developed as adults.

I didn't do it myself as I couldn't wait to be able to see the young 'uns in the rear view mirror, looking all around and enjoying themselves. That and the fact no.1 child was unusually tall for his age meant I didn't look in to it further, but the research and statistics make sense.

Oafley Jones

R.O.R wrote: »

There's lots of evidence and statistics to prove young children are much safer (5 x safer) in rear facing seats than forward facing seats. It's due to the relative size & weight of their heads compared to their overall size, and their neck muscles are not as well developed as adults.

The evidence is overwhelming. It's obvious, when you think about it. It's not just kids e.g. military troop transport aircraft will often have rearward facing seats for survivability.

We had a last generation Superb combi. In terms of legroom it was epic. Enormous boot too. Narrow enough though.

Lantus

R.O.R wrote:

There's lots of evidence and statistics to prove young children are much safer (5 x safer) in rear facing seats than forward facing seats. It's due to the relative size & weight of their heads compared to their overall size, and their neck muscles are not as well developed as adults.

Makes sense but a link would be good to the primary research.

Ultimately all of the abhorrent issues with cars and accidents will be resolved by automation. I look forward to day when I can crack open beer getting into my car and then take a nap.

Gwynston

Lantus wrote: »

Ultimately all of the abhorrent issues with cars and accidents will be resolved by automation. I look forward to day when I can crack open beer getting into my car and then take a nap.

What a waste of good beer!
It would be flat by the time you woke up

R.O.R

Lantus wrote: »

Makes sense but a link would be good to the primary research.

Very sorry - http://bfy.tw/C9HN

Indricotherium

R.O.R wrote: »

Very sorry - http://bfy.tw/C9HN

I thinking you are going to back an argument with research you should generally do the leg work yourself.

R.O.R

Indricotherium wrote: »

I thinking you are going to back an argument with research you should generally do the leg work yourself.

Do you want to edit that in to understandable English at some point?

Indricotherium

Indricotherium wrote: »

I think if you are going to back an argument with research you should generally do the leg work yourself.

Done.

Stoner

Indricotherium wrote:

I thinking you are going to back an argument with research you should generally do the leg work yourself.

It's not a thread about an argument regarding the configuration of car seats.

I opened the thread to look for alternative cars in the motors section, you just keep derailing it with incorrect assumptions about how long I'm using a car seat for etc

I've tried twice to politely turn it back to cars!