Euro car parks fine

sellasheep

I received a €50 fine in a Tesco car park the other day from this crowd for staying over time. Do I have to pay? I don't think they can get my address?

Isambard

it depends...it's part of the T&C of you parking there , so you do owe it. It's a charge rather than fine I think you'll find. A civil matter.

I guess you want to know can you avoid paying it if you ignore it?

Only one way to find that out

Davidth88

Put it in the bin. My mother in law had 10s of these 'fines ' from a dunnes carpark . How can they trace you ??

bazz26

markpb

Davidth88 wrote: »

Put it in the bin. My mother in law had 10s of these 'fines ' from a dunnes carpark . How can they trace you ??

Regardless of the enforceability of the fines, your mother in law needs to learn to park properly. Those companies tend only to ticket for overstaying or parking in disabled spots.

Homer

Davidth88 wrote: »

Put it in the bin. My mother in law had 10s of these 'fines ' from a dunnes carpark . How can they trace you ??

That says more about your mother in law than anything else..

oppenheimer1

sellasheep wrote: »

I received a €50 fine in a Tesco car park the other day from this crowd for staying over time. Do I have to pay? I don't think they can get my address?

File it under B for bin.

mikeecho

Davidth88 wrote: »

Put it in the bin. My mother in law had 10s of these 'fines ' from a dunnes carpark . How can they trace you ??

A simple request to the motor tax office, pay approx €6, and state the reason why you need the owner details of a particular registration.

That's how they can trace you.

Atlantic Dawn

mikeecho wrote: »

A simple request to the motor tax office, pay approx ?6, and state the reason why you need the owner details of a particular registration.

That's how they can trace you.

I would seriously doubt they give you the details like that. So say if I was a car thief walking around and spotted a nice Ferrari I could pay the ?6 and find out where it's kept by simply saying the owner clipped my mirror etc and I wanted to contact them? Would be open to massive abuse of privacy.

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mikeecho wrote: »

A simple request to the motor tax office, pay approx €6, and state the reason why you need the owner details of a particular registration.

That's how they can trace you.

That only happens in the world of make believe.

Details are not given out. The owner needs to verify details already held

mikeecho

Alana Dirty Chest wrote: »

That only happens in the world of make believe.

Details are not given out. The owner needs to verify details already held

It can be done.

Requests to licensing authorities (motor tax offices) for basic driver data may be made under S.I. No. 537 of 2006- Road Traffic (Licensing of Drivers) Regulations 2006, Section 56- Information and inspection of records. Requests to licensing authorities for vehicle data may be made under S.I. No.277/1994 –Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) (Amendment) Regulations, Section 3. All requests for disclosure which rely on these regulations require the payment of a fee (€6) and should be made to your local Motor Taxation Office. Certain conditions imposed in the interest of data protection apply to the release of data in these circumstances and further details are available from your local motor tax office.

Ineedaname

My friends dad used to work for Euro Car Parks.

The vast majority of people never paid the fines. They've no way of enforcing them.

mikeecho

Ineedaname wrote: »

My friends dad used to work for Euro Car Parks.

The vast majority of people never paid the fines. They've no way of enforcing them.

No way of enforcement... but there is a way to "track you down"

Davidth88

markpb wrote:

Regardless of the enforceability of the fines, your mother in law needs to learn to park properly. Those companies tend only to ticket for overstaying or parking in disabled spots.

I agree... she used to leave it in the dunnes car park for 3 or 3 hours while she went to town. I was amazed she wasn't clamped tbh:-)

Ineedaname

mikeecho wrote: »

No way of enforcement... but there is a way to "track you down"

No there isn't.

mikeecho

Ineedaname wrote: »

No there isn't.

Read back a few posts

mikeecho

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I would seriously doubt they give you the details like that. So say if I was a car thief walking around and spotted a nice Ferrari I could pay the ?6 and find out where it's kept by simply saying the owner clipped my mirror etc and I wanted to contact them? Would be open to massive abuse of privacy.

Try it out.

jamesthepeach

I have loads of them.
The first one they gave me for overstaying when i was well within the time. I just ignored them all after that.
Nothing ever happened.

Miike

S.I. No. 537 of 2006- Road Traffic (Licensing of Drivers) Regulations 2006, Section 56 Information and inspection of records.

(1) A licensing authority shall, on request and free of charge, supply to any other licensing authority, to a member of the Garda S?och?na or to an authorised officer of the Minister such information as is requested in relation to a driving licence or provisional licence granted by the authority or any notification received by the authority under Part 6.

(2) A licensing authority shall, on request and on payment of a fee of €6, supply to any person who satisfies the authority that he or she has reasonable cause there for such information as is requested in relation to a driving licence or provisional licence granted to any specified person by the authority.

(3) A licensing authority shall, on request, admit a member of the Garda S?och?na or an authorised officer of the Minister to the offices of the licensing authority while such offices are open for business and shall permit such member or officer to inspect the records and other documents which the licensing authority are required to keep in accordance with these Regulations and to make copies of them.

Section 2 is a bit terrifying. What constitutes satisfaction of reasonable cause? o.O

GM228

Miike wrote: »

S.I. No. 537 of 2006- Road Traffic (Licensing of Drivers) Regulations 2006, Section 56 Information and inspection of records.


Section 2 is a bit terrifying. What constitutes satisfaction of reasonable cause? o.O

The important thing to note about S56(2) is it is in relation to records "as the minister" directs as per S55.

This is covered under S42 (2)(h) of the Road Traffic Act 1961 which requires a ministerial regulation. It also only applies to information in relation to licences, namely to disclose if someone is disqualified for holding a licence or if a licence have been endorsed. No other information such as an address can be disclosed. Also the fee is now €15, not €6.

?Cee?view

mikeecho wrote: »

It can be done.

Requests to licensing authorities (motor tax offices) for basic driver data may be made under S.I. No. 537 of 2006- Road Traffic (Licensing of Drivers) Regulations 2006, Section 56- Information and inspection of records. Requests to licensing authorities for vehicle data may be made under S.I. No.277/1994 –Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) (Amendment) Regulations, Section 3. All requests for disclosure which rely on these regulations require the payment of a fee (€6) and should be made to your local Motor Taxation Office. Certain conditions imposed in the interest of data protection apply to the release of data in these circumstances and further details are available from your local motor tax office.

Did you miss the underlined bit? Releasing information to Dunnes or their agent would be a breach of relevant data protection laws.

mikeecho

?Cee?view wrote: »

Did you miss the underlined bit? Releasing information to Dunnes or their agent would be a breach of relevant data protection laws.

What are the certain conditions ?

?Cee?view

mikeecho wrote: »

What are the certain conditions ?

https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Data-Protection-Acts-1988-and-2003:-Informal-Consolidation/796.htm

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1988/act/25/enacted/en/html

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2003/act/6/enacted/en/html

http://www.eugdpr.org/

Knock yourself out reading about the conditions, but expect to be bored sick if you do

mikeecho

Someone better tell the motortax office.

Because they do give out registered owner name and address for the fee.

GM228

mikeecho wrote: »

Someone better tell the motortax office.

Because they do give out registered owner name and address for the fee.

Really? So you have experience of this even though it is against DP law and contrary to the requirements provided for in accordance with S56 (2).

The only information disclosed is if a driver is disqualified fron holding a licence or if a licence has been endorsed - i.e someone has a valid licence, to get those details you must supply the details your suggesting they give out - name, address and licence no.

The idea was basically to allow potential employers check licences were valid for those who required a licence such as the transport sector.

mikeecho

Not for checking someone's driving licence.
But for checking the licencing of a motor vehicle, ie a number plate.

Neighbour had a moped left on their property by one of their previous tenants, didn't know which one, as it had been there for over a year.

They went to motor tax office, gave the reason why they needed the owner details, paid the fee, and provided their own id.

Owner details were supplied

Miike

GM228 wrote: »

The important thing to note about S56(2) is it is in relation to records "as the minister" directs as per S55.

This is covered under S42 (2)(h) of the Road Traffic Act 1961 which requires a ministerial regulation. It also only applies to information in relation to licences, namely to disclose if someone is disqualified for holding a licence or if a licence have been endorsed. No other information such as an address can be disclosed. Also the fee is now €15, not €6.

You are my actual idol

grogi

mikeecho wrote: »

Owner details were supplied

I got a letter yesterday from one of the car importers in Ireland - "constantly ensuring quality blablablah crap" - ongoing recall in short.

Nothing unusual, but I bought the car privately a couple months ago, and no dealer has seen me. The data is consistent with the logbook - so it is where it came from.

GM228

grogi wrote: »

I got a letter yesterday from one of the car importers in Ireland - "constantly ensuring quality blablablah crap" - ongoing recall in short.

Nothing unusual, but I bought the car privately a couple months ago, and no dealer has seen me. The data is consistent with the logbook - so it is where it came from.

In relation to a recall, owner details are provided from the NVDF to vehicle manufacturers who then give those details to whoever is dealing with the recall issues here, so even in private sales they will still have that information. It's a requirement under EU law.

All vehicle manufacturers and vehicle distributors have access to the NVDF.

Fred Swanson

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josip

sellasheep wrote: »

I received a €50 fine in a Tesco car park the other day from this crowd for staying over time. Do I have to pay? I don't think they can get my address?

Post the fine to this crowd in Italy, let them fight it out to the death.