Luas - Why not an actual connection?

XPS_Zero

I have had reason to ride the Luas way more than usual lately.

Looking down at the tracks I note that there are a lot of kinda backup turns that are obviously designed to be used if a service has to be limited, for example it looks like a Point to Connoly service can be set up if possible.

Anyway, it appears (I may be looking at it wrong) that as well as crossing OVER each other, red and green do slide into each other and actually connect as well, so why are they not going to run like that normally? Why not any Brides Glen to Tallaght services say?

n97 mini

Was explained on the radio recently. When you have very frequent services connections are a non issue, and if line A runs the same route all the time, and line B does too, then there's no additional knowledge required by users. They just know they need to change at a particular point. Makes sense.

I suppose it's the public transport version of KISS.

Victor

There are physical connections so that stock can be moved between lines / depots: http://url.ie/11sti

However, because the turns are tight, especially from Abbey Street to Marlborough Street, only limited turns could be installed. These aren't enough to allow scheduled inter-lining.

end of the road

Victor wrote: »

There are physical connections so that stock can be moved between lines / depots: http://url.ie/11sti

However, because the turns are tight, especially from Abbey Street to Marlborough Street, only limited turns could be installed. These aren't enough to allow scheduled inter-lining.

i presume that is because if used regularly they would delay services due to the speeds involved?

LXFlyer

This question has been asked and answered repeatedly here and on the Infrastructure thread.

The space available at the Abbey St/Marlborough St Junction is insufficient to allow an operational connection.

The connection is between the eastbound red line and southbound green line. It requires a tram on the red line to cross over the green line and then reverse onto the green line, and for that manoevere to be manually controlled.

The two lines will operate independently of one another but with no fare penalty for transferring between the two.

From an operational perspective it is much easier to maintain headways and simpler for customers to operate the lines separately - the walking distance between the stops is about 2-3 minutes.

pclive

Its all about less waiting and makes perfect sense as explained here

http://www.dublininquirer.com/2017/04/18/theres-reason-new-luas-trams-wont-switch-lines/

Tarabuses

It will be interesting to see crowds of interchanging passengers trying to cross O'Connell Street to catch a tram in Abbey Street and vice versa.

markpb

Tarabuses wrote: »

It will be interesting to see crowds of interchanging passengers trying to cross O'Connell Street to catch a tram in Abbey Street and vice versa.

Because that doesn't happen between Dublin Bus and Luas today?

LuckyLloyd

markpb wrote: »

Because that doesn't happen between Dublin Bus and Luas today?

Not in the same likely volumes.

ArmaniJeanss

Tarabuses wrote: »

It will be interesting to see crowds of interchanging passengers trying to cross O'Connell Street to catch a tram in Abbey Street and vice versa.

No real difference to people coming out of Connolly Station and crossing to Busarus to get a Luas to the Point.

cgcsb

This again? Has this not been covered multiple times?

cgcsb

Tarabuses wrote: »

It will be interesting to see crowds of interchanging passengers trying to cross O'Connell Street to catch a tram in Abbey Street and vice versa.

They will only have to cross the southbound carriageway, there aren't that many cars on O'Connell St thanks to some brave moves taken against the car lobby in the early 2000s

end of the road

cgcsb wrote: »

This again? Has this not been covered multiple times?

and it will come up again sometime. that's just life

L1011

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

No real difference to people coming out of Connolly Station and crossing to Busarus to get a Luas to the Point.

Makea more sense to go to George's Dock

Victor

L1011 wrote: »

Makea more sense to go to George's Dock

Often yes, but Busáras is more 'legible'

Tarabuses

cgcsb wrote: »

They will only have to cross the southbound carriageway, there aren't that many cars on O'Connell St thanks to some brave moves taken against the car lobby in the early 2000s

But it is not only cars that will be in the way.

Chivito550

Tarabuses wrote: »

But it is not only cars that will be in the way.

How is this any different to any other on street tram system in the world? In Melbourne there are 8 tram routes going up and down Swanston Street and 3 going up and down Elizabeth Street, all in north/south direction. To connect to one of east/west routes, including the 3 routes on Flinders St, 6 routes on Collins Street, 3 routes on Bourke St or 3 routes on LaTrobe St, you simply get off a tram and cross the road. The exact same as with the LUAS. It couldn't be easier. You won't get knocked down unless you are acting the b0llox.

Irish public transport is terrible, but this is not an example of this. Interchanges are the standard across the world. We just don't have a clue about real public transport in Ireland hence why people give out about this.

Infini

Tarabuses wrote: »

It will be interesting to see crowds of interchanging passengers trying to cross O'Connell Street to catch a tram in Abbey Street and vice versa.

Honestly switching trams at abbey street stop wount be much of a hassle the southbound greenline stop is literally around the corner from it and the northbound is only a minutes walk. All you probably will have to do is not tag off when switching trams and thats it.

Dravokivich

Infini wrote: »

Honestly switching trams at abbey street stop wount be much of a hassle the southbound greenline stop is literally around the corner from it and the northbound is only a minutes walk. All you probably will have to do is not tag off when switching trams and thats it.

At the moment it's a requirement to tag off/on when transferring. i don't think that's due to the distance between Stephen's green and Abbey St / Jervis St either. Have Luas said they were going to change that?