Law on petrol stations showing prices

mikeecho

What is the legislation on petrol forecourts displaying their prices.

I ask because in the UK, they only display prices for Regular Petrol and Regular Diesel.

Stations that sell premium fuels ie, Shell V Power, BP Ultimate etc, dont display the premium prices on the monolith. With the eventual intoduction of such fuels here by Circle K, will they have to change the monolith, or will they just have to display prices for regular fuel ?

ohnonotgmail

the relevant order mentions petrol, diesel and 95 unleaded.

mikeecho

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the relevant order mentions petrol, diesel and 95 unleaded.

So, what about 98 petrol and premium diesel (60cetane)

I presume petrol refers to leaded.

ohnonotgmail

all here http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/178/made/en/print

mikeecho

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

all here http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/178/made/en/print

Just regular fuel fuel prices so.

ohnonotgmail

My reading of it is that if they are selling any fuel that falls under those three categories that they need to display prices for all the fuels sold. So if they start selling Shell V power or the like they need to display that on the big sign along with the price of regular diesel and petrol.

Sleeper12

mikeecho wrote:

So, what about 98 petrol and premium diesel (60cetane)

Are you sure these are coming to Ireland? We used to have 98 octane but consumers choice magazine tested them and proved that they made little or no difference. They made a slight difference to high performance cars I think. Within weeks of the publication of their tests "premium, special, advanced etc" were taken off the market in Ireland because people stopped paying the extra 10p as they were wasting money.

mikeecho

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Are you sure these are coming to Ireland? We used to have 98 octane but consumers choice magazine tested them and proved that they made little or no difference. They made a slight difference to high performance cars I think. Within weeks of the publication of their tests "premium, special, advanced etc" were taken off the market in Ireland because people stopped paying the extra 10p as they were wasting money.

Circle K aledgedly have plans to reintroduce 98ron petrol as milesPlus 98 petrol, and will have a higher cetane diesel 60cetane milesPlus diesel (regular diesel is 51)

I'm looking forward to the eventual availability of high cetane diesel.

I've used it abroad, and i think is super doopper.
I'll definitely be using it here.

Edit: with so few petrol cars on the road, I can't see 98ron lasting.
As for premium diesel, it will have a market, not a hugh market, bit a sustainable market.

Sleeper12

mikeecho wrote:

Edit: with so few petrol cars on the road, I can't see 98ron lasting. As for premium diesel, it will have a market, not a hugh market, bit a sustainable market.

It will have a market if it actually does anything. I'd possibly use it myself.

mikeecho

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It will have a market if it actually does anything. I'd possibly use it myself.

You and me both, but if you look at threads here, people are shocked that they have to spend any money to bring their car up to a standard that'll pass an nct.

Unfortunately.. the majority of drivers want to spend nothing on their motors. just put a lash of dipetane at the last minute, and do no more for another 12 months

GM228

mikeecho wrote: »

So, what about 98 petrol and premium diesel (60cetane)

I presume petrol refers to leaded.

The order covers all types of diesel and petrol (both leaded and unleaded) for use in vehicles.

Why the order distinguishes between "petrol" and "95 unleaded" is a bit odd though as "mineral hydrocarbon light oil" under the heading of petrol covers all forms of petrol leaded and unleaded.

mikeecho

GM228 wrote: »

The order covers all types of diesel and petrol (both leaded and unleaded) for use in vehicles.

Why the order distinguishes between "petrol" and "95 unleaded" is a bit odd though as "mineral hydrocarbon light oil" under the heading of petrol covers all forms of petrol leaded and unleaded.

Petrol was leaded petrol, unleaded was seen as a new fuel.

Fact that new regulations refer to petrol (leaded) and unleaded 95 as seperate fuels, make me think that petrol stations will argue that there are no regulations for unleaded 98.

ohnonotgmail

mikeecho wrote: »

Petrol was leaded petrol, unleaded was seen as a new fuel.

Fact that new regulations refer to petrol (leaded) and unleaded 95 as seperate fuels, make me think that petrol stations will argue that there are no regulations for unleaded 98.

for Unleaded 95 it defines it as having a minimum RON of 95. That would cover Unleaded 98 as well

GM228

mikeecho wrote: »

Petrol was leaded petrol, unleaded was seen as a new fuel.

Fact that new regulations refer to petrol (leaded) and unleaded 95 as seperate fuels, make me think that petrol stations will argue that there are no regulations for unleaded 98.

It covers leaded and unleaded.

Petrol is defined for the purposes of the Price Order as per the Imposition of Duties (No. 221) (Excise Duties) Order 1975 as:-

"mineral hydrocarbon light oil" means hydrocarbon oil of which not less than 50 per cent. by volume distils at a temperature not exceeding 185 degrees centigrade, or of which not less than 95 per cent. by volume distils at a temperature not exceeding 240 degrees centigrade or which gives off an inflammable vapour at a temperature of less than 22.8 degrees centigrade when tested in the manner prescribed by the Acts relating to petroleum but does not include white spirit. The method of testing oil for the purposes of ascertaining whether it complies with the provisions relating to the distillation of a certain volume thereof at a certain temperature shall be such as the Revenue Commissioners shall prescribe.

That pretty much covers any type of petrol, but to avoid any doubt the Finance Act 1988 refers to the 1975 order confirming the definition includes unleaded petrol. Also the Finance Act 1999 includes super unleaded petrol with a research octane number of 96 or more within the definition of mineral hydrocarbon light oil, again it refers to the 1975 order - in other words I don't think petrol stations will have a leg to stand on if they make that arguement as leaded, unleaded and super unleaded are all covered by the definition of petrol for the price order.