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Ladyinthedark

I don't know anything about buisness first off but my son has an idea and has asked me for advice .he has this product that he invented but thinks it would sell better if he had big company's advertising on it like there names but would he have to ask the company can he display there logo or could he ring and ask them would it be okay or would they probably ask fir money ,as I stated I know nothing how buisness things like this work .Also he wants to set up a website ,us godaddy.com the place.i hope I'm not asking to much but I'd maybe like someone to help him how would I go about that

me_irl

First of all, this thing he invented may need a patent.

https://www.patentsoffice.ie/en/About-Us/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Patents/

Second, your son could reach out on facebook or twitter to companies that would like to support this.

Third... as far as a website goes.. There are a few resources on this forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=23

Ladyinthedark

me_irl wrote: »

First of all, this thing he invented may need a patent.

https://www.patentsoffice.ie/en/About-Us/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Patents/

Second, your son could reach out on facebook or twitter to companies that would like to support this.

Third... as far as a website goes.. There are a few resources on this forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=23

Okay thanks .he was also worried that if he started telling the big companies about this that they might want to make it themselves

me_irl

Ladyinthedark wrote: »

Okay thanks .he was also worried that if he started telling the big companies about this that they might want to make it themselves

Which is why he's going to need a patent first so he has legal recourse.

Q. What is a Patent?

A. A patent is an exclusive right granted for an invention which is a process or a product that provides a new way of doing something, or offers a new solution to a problem.

It confers upon its holder, for a limited period, the right to exclude others from exploiting (making, using, selling, importing) the patented invention except with the consent of the patentee.

Ladyinthedark

me_irl wrote: »

Which is why he's going to need a patent first so he has legal recourse.

Thank you I will get him to ring them any idea s on pricing

me_irl

Ladyinthedark wrote: »

Thank you I will get him to ring them any idea s on pricing

They have a "Fees" section on the site I linked above.

https://www.patentsoffice.ie/en/Payments/Fees/

Ladyinthedark

me_irl wrote: »

They have a "Fees" section on the site I linked above.

https://www.patentsoffice.ie/en/Payments/Fees/

Yes thanks again,I rang them and they confirmed everything I needed to find out if it's patentable .

Pelvis

You can't just rock up to the Patent Office with an "idea". It needs to be developed and meticulously documented, and to have the best case of protecting your intellectual property you need to engage the services of specialist legal professionals.

We're talking thousands in costs, and your "idea" is only protected in Ireland. These big companies could just copy it elsewhere.

Ladyinthedark

Pelvis wrote: »

You can't just rock up to the Patent Office with an "idea". It needs to be developed and meticulously documented, and to have the best case of protecting your intellectual property you need to engage the services of specialist legal professionals.

We're talking thousands in costs, and your "idea" is only protected in Ireland. These big companies could just copy it elsewhere.

An 11 year old s idea and other can steal it after it has been patented is that true

yupya1

Patent fees are small but it is the searching of existing patents and writing of your one that cost the real money (this work usually done by Patent Agent who charge by the hour similar to Solicitors but can be done yourself also)

I think his first step should be to his local enterprise office, they will give all info needed and may have some business mentors or Patent experts to meet with at a fraction of the cost.

The old school way of trying to give yourself some protection before you apply for a patent is to write and draw his product and send it by registered post to himself to give evidence of his idea at a certain date in time. This may be worthwile to give himself some peace of mind when sharing the idea initially.

Ladyinthedark

yupya1 wrote: »

Patent fees are small but it is the searching of existing patents and writing of your one that cost the real money (this work usually done by Patent Agent who charge by the hour similar to Solicitors but can be done yourself also)

I think his first step should be to his local enterprise office, they will give all info needed and may have some business mentors or Patent experts to meet with at a fraction of the cost.

The old school way of trying to give yourself some protection before you apply for a patent is to write and draw his product and send it by registered post to himself to give evidence of his idea at a certain date in time. This may be worthwile to give himself some peace of mind when sharing the idea initially.

That seems pretty simple to secure it a little lol .brilliant advice .

me_irl

Ladyinthedark wrote: »

An 11 year old s idea and other can steal it after it has been patented is that true

The Frequently Asked Questions on the site should answer that.

https://www.patentsoffice.ie/en/About-Us/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Patents/

Q. What if I want to protect my invention abroad?

A. For protection abroad, you need to apply to patent offices in individual countries or via a single application using the international patent system, known as the Patent Co-operation Treaty (PCT). This is not a worldwide patent but there are currently 148 member states throughout the world who are contracting parties to the treaty.

Or, if you are interested in Europe, you can get patent protection in most European countries by filing a single application under the European Patent
Convention (EPC). A patent application made to the EPO can designate some or all of the contracting member states. There are currently 36 member states and 4 extension states.

Also, with Pelvis' recommendation...

Q. What is patentable?

A. In order to be eligible for a patent the invention must be new, involve an inventive step and be capable of industrial application.

They link to what "inventive step" means.

Inventive step

If a patent for an invention is to be granted, the invention must contain an inventive step. This means that the invention must not be an obvious development of what has gone before, when considered by someone who is skilled in the area of technology to which the invention relates.

UPDATE: Never mind! Some great advice above.

Ladyinthedark

Mr.S wrote: »

Is this product actually sellable? As in, have you thought it through? Going through the patent process isn't just about filling out a form.

It's pretty sellable if the website and advertising is done right I think .he s worried about been able to cope with demand I might just go to the enterprise office and tell them some things about it

yupya1

Ladyinthedark wrote: »

An 11 year old s idea and other can steal it after it has been patented is that true

Well you can get a europe patent for similar small fees but America is the wild west when it comes to stuff like this.

Other companies can only steal the idea once they can change product slightly from your patent terms. These terms need to be wide ranging and cover future applications to try and prevent this (thats why patent agents are recommended but again the Enterprise office may be able to help with this)

Ladyinthedark

me_irl wrote: »

The Frequently Asked Questions on the site should answer that.

https://www.patentsoffice.ie/en/About-Us/Frequently-Asked-Questions/Patents/




Also, with Pelvis' recommendation...



They link to what "inventive step" means.



UPDATE: Never mind! Some great advice above.

thank you

Web Graphic Designer

Along with full documentation you'll also need a NDA as the first point of any action.
This non-disclosure agreement means who ever you mention the idea to, should ideally to sign this (beforehand), to prevent IP theft.
Even then, unless it's highly technical and unique it's hard it may be easy to replicate, imitate and copy.

This has nothing to do with 'advertising'.

Even if it's an 'advertising tool', it will need full specification before any promotion activity occurs at/after launch.
The 'promotional aspect' of the business plan doesn't happen until you've something rock solid, ready to 'advertise'.
You can park a domain, but it may well be 20notes wasted yearly, if nothing materialises from it.

Ladyinthedark

Web Graphic Designer wrote: »

Along with full documentation you'll also need a NDA as the first point of any action.
This non-disclosure agreement means who ever you mention the idea to, should ideally to sign this (beforehand), to prevent IP theft.
Even then, unless it's highly technical and unique it's hard it may be easy to replicate, imitate and copy.

This has nothing to do with 'advertising'.

Even if it's an 'advertising tool', it will need full specification before any promotion activity occurs at/after launch.
The 'promotional aspect' of the business plan doesn't happen until you've something rock solid, ready to 'advertise'.
You can park a domain, but it may well be 20notes wasted yearly, if nothing materialises from it.

How do I get a non disclosure agreement please

Web Graphic Designer

Ladyinthedark wrote: »

How do I get a non disclosure agreement please

Google. You(s) may benefit for a basic business studies course also.