Routes 1 & 75

ddx05

Dublin Bus announced that "due to customer feedback", Routes 1 and 75 will have a revised timetable.

New Route 1: dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/11/

New Route 75: dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/751/

As a person that has never used Route 1, I will not comment, but I use the 75 on a daily basis and I'm really not surprised at DB for making another terrible move.

At peak times, the 75 is always full to capacity and I honestly cannot see how a reduction in frequency is going to benefit the people using the service. The only thing I can hope for is that DB changes the operation of the route so that the buses ACTUALLY SHOW UP when they're timetabled. The increased Sunday frequency is a welcome addition though.

Please give me your opinions on this change, and from what I know, Routes 15 and 150 are up for review next.

dashcamdanny

ddx05 wrote: »

Dublin Bus announced that "due to customer feedback", Routes 1 and 75 will have a revised timetable.

New Route 1: dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/11/

New Route 75: dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/751/

As a person that has never used Route 1, I will not comment, but I use the 75 on a daily basis and I'm really not surprised at DB for making another terrible move.

At peak times, the 75 is always full to capacity and I honestly cannot see how a reduction in frequency is going to benefit the people using the service. The only thing I can hope for is that DB changes the operation of the route so that the buses ACTUALLY SHOW UP when they're timetabled. The increased Sunday frequency is a welcome addition though.

Please give me your opinions on this change, and from what I know, Routes 15 and 150 are up for review next.

Is the 75 driving past customers because its full at peek times?

ddx05

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Is the 75 driving past customers because its full at peek times?

Yes, thats the point im making. It doesnt help when there are less buses for people to get on. The 15 minute peak hour frequency should have been kept

LXFlyer

I have to admit that the cut in peak frequency on the 75 is unbelievable. Orbital routes need more buses not fewer. I would have had a 20 minute frequency in both directions from 06:30 to 08:30 and 16:30 to 18:30.

The good things in the timetable are the increased running time - that will mean much better reliability, and the much much better Sunday timetable with 30 minute frequency during the afternoon.

devnull

You'd never think it after looking at the announcement.
http://dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Revised-Timetable-on-Route-75/

We’re always listening and we heard you when you wanted more from Route 75.

We’re delighted to let you know that as of Sunday 28 May 2017, Route 75 will depart every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday with, an enhanced frequency on a Sunday.

This is just one of the ways that we’re always trying to improve our service for you.

The NTA need to ensure that operators of PSO services are not allowed to publish updates that hide the true impact of the changes, operators should be required to confirm the full nature of any timetable changes rather than spin like the above.

If services are being reduced it should be stated in the announcement rather than hidden away in the timetable.

KD345

devnull wrote: »

You'd never think it after looking at the announcement.
http://dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Revised-Timetable-on-Route-75/



The NTA need to ensure that operators of PSO services are not allowed to publish updates that hide the true impact of the changes, operators should be required to confirm the full nature of any timetable changes rather than spin like the above.

If services are being reduced it should be stated in the announcement rather than hidden away in the timetable.

Agreed. There are three less departures per day than previous, this should not be dressed up as passengers getting 'more from route 75'.

Overall, I think these changes will make the route more reliable, and there may even be more buses allocated to the service, but this should be explained better.

LXFlyer

KD345 wrote: »

Agreed. There are three less departures per day than previous, this should not be dressed up as passengers getting 'more from route 75'.

Overall, I think these changes will make the route more reliable, and there may even be more buses allocated to the service, but this should be explained better.

The change in the middle of the day makes sense - there was an extra departure in both directions that really wasn't needed.

But it's the reduction in peak hour departures that is frankly crazy.

The standard 30 minute frequency all day is a good improvement outside of peak hours. The detour around Sandyford at peak times distorts the headways heading west of Kilmacud, where you will still have 40-45 minute gaps between buses as a result. These variations amplify the need to split the route into two with a constant standard routing all day.

I'd also question why the last bus can't be at 23:30 all week, rather than just Sundays?

Dyr

the revised 1 is just replacing one fantasy timetable with another. If it was accurate then every second or third 1 from sandymount at peak times would be a 1c because thats the reality

ddx05

lxflyer wrote: »

The change in the middle of the day makes sense - there was an extra departure in both directions that really wasn't needed.

But it's the reduction in peak hour departures that is frankly crazy.

The standard 30 minute frequency all day is a good improvement outside of peak hours. The detour around Sandyford at peak times distorts the headways heading west of Kilmacud, where you will still have 40-45 minute gaps between buses as a result. These variations amplify the need to split the route into two with a constant standard routing all day.

I'd also question why the last bus can't be at 23:30 all week, rather than just Sundays?

The bus should have been split between the 75 and 175 years ago during the Network Direct changes

LXFlyer

ddx05 wrote: »

The bus should have been split between the 75 and 175 years ago during the Network Direct changes

The planned changes to the southern orbital routes never happened due to the economic crash and lack of funds.

I'd imagine any new routes are on hold until after the NTA network review is completed.

dublinman1990

KD345 wrote: »

Agreed. There are three less departures per day than previous, this should not be dressed up as passengers getting 'more from route 75'.

Overall, I think these changes will make the route more reliable, and there may even be more buses allocated to the service, but this should be explained better.

The 75 has made a notable allocation recently in putting VTs on the route. I have seen two recent sightings of VTs on the 75 at Dun Laoghaire & Stillorgan. I would ask what is the purpose of putting VTs on it. They just couldn't be allocated to increase capacity long term. Although I wonder is this idea; more of a hit & miss allocation that replaces some other allocated buses on the route in the short term.

LXFlyer

sugarman wrote: »

Unbelievable:mad:

The 75 route was bad enough during peak hours but now they've actually reduced services?

Ive lost count the amount of times ive waited for a 75 at peak hours, sometimes 30-45 minutes only for it to whizz past me full.

But the bigger issues, was buses just not showing up during off peak hours. Standing there like an ejit for well over an hour until the next one shows up. Its all good increasing the frequency on a sunday, but will they all turn up?

I've long given up on the route. Like most id take 2 buses instead. Going 30-40mins into the city centre to go 30-40mins straight back out.

The issue of the buses not showing up or being late should be eliminated by this timetable as they're all getting longer running time (time taken to get from one terminus to the other), which should mean that the timetable will be more reliable.

The problem has been that the traffic in south Dublin has got progressively worse, and the 75 has been getting knobbled in Stillorgan, Dundrum, Nutgrove and Old Bawn. The new schedule should allow sufficient time to cover for this.

LXFlyer

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The 75 has made a notable allocation recently in putting VTs on the route. I have seen two recent sightings of VTs on the 75 at Dun Laoghaire & Stillorgan. I would ask what is the purpose of putting VTs on it. They just couldn't be allocated to increase capacity long term. Although I wonder is this idea; more of a hit & miss allocation that replaces some other allocated buses on the route in the short term.

I would imagine that it was nothing more than the inbound bus running late and the controller telling the waiting driver to take another bus from Dun Laoghaire instead, which happened to be a VT, rather than delay the service even more.

Stephen15

lxflyer wrote: »

I would imagine that it was nothing more than the inbound bus running late and the controller telling the waiting driver to take another bus from Dun Laoghaire instead, which happened to be a VT, rather than delay the service even more.

It seems to be a somewhat common occurence on the routes terminating at DL Dart Station as theres often VTs parked up there for the 46A I see them from time to time on the 63 aswell. I wonder does it effect 46a capacity.

Boulevardier

Does the 75 connect with the Luas, and if not, is it proposed to do so now?

Stephen15

Boulevardier wrote: »

Does the 75 connect with the Luas, and if not, is it proposed to do so now?

Technically only on the Sandyford diversion but it stops relatively close to the Dundrum and the Tallaght on the red.

ddx05

No theres no changes to the routing (for now), but it stops very close to the Stillorgan, Dundrum and Tallaght luas stops

Stephen15

I wonder is the new timtable gearing towards the arrival of the 175.

ddx05

Stephen15 wrote: »

I wonder is the new timtable gearing towards the arrival of the 175.

Hopefully, since this new timetable will not be able to handle the already high volume of passengers at peak hours.

xper

lxflyer wrote: »

ddx05 wrote: »

The bus should have been split between the 75 and 175 years ago during the Network Direct changes

The planned changes to the southern orbital routes never happened due to the economic crash and lack of funds.

I'd imagine any new routes are on hold until after the NTA network review is completed.

I was talking just last week to friend who commutes to UCD from Terenure who was saying there had been mention of Route 175 running from Tallaght to UCD being imminently announced by DB in some recent blurb he got from the powers that be in the college. I won't hold my breath, however.

ddx05 wrote: »

No theres no changes to the routing (for now), but it stops very close to the Stillorgan, Dundrum and Tallaght luas stops

Its >500m/7 mins walk from the 75 stop in Dundrum to the Luas. This is not integrated transport under any rational definition.

One would hope that after the network review, every bus route approaching or crossing a rail route would do so at a station. The Dundrum Luas stop, with its large bus lay-by would be an ideal node where several cross-suburb routes could link with the Luas and each other. I'd be thinking something along the lines of splitting both the 75 and 17 into two routes each at that point with perhaps a third pair of routes being introduced to allow the existing routes to be straightened out.

AlekSmart

xper wrote: »

I was talking just last week to friend who commutes to UCD from Terenure who was saying there had been mention of Route 175 running from Tallaght to UCD being imminently announced by DB in some recent blurb he got from the powers that be in the college. I won't hold my breath, however.

Its >500m/7 mins walk from the 75 stop in Dundrum to the Luas. This is not integrated transport under any rational definition.

One would hope that after the network review, every bus route approaching or crossing a rail route would do so at a station. The Dundrum Luas stop, with its large bus lay-by would be an ideal node where several cross-suburb routes could link with the Luas and each other. I'd be thinking something along the lines of splitting both the 75 and 17 into two routes each at that point with perhaps a third pair of routes being introduced to allow the existing routes to be straightened out.

On the issue of the Dundrum Luas Bus .....Stop (?).

Large is not what I would describe it as,although there is around a half-acre of grass,with a few scrubby trees to present an eco-picture to the greeners,the actual space for Buses is hugely constricted and convoluted,to keep down speed I assume ?

This alone is example of just how little understanding our average Planner has about Integration...Connectivity,or any of this oul Forren stuff.

With the recent arrival of Aircoach's services,and the pre-existing 14,44,44B and 161 all driven through this interesting bit of dog-leg,with no priority of any form and an ever present ceremonial guard of Eircom vehicles (connected with the Exchange) we have what,on the surface,is a very European facility,but in effect is largely irrelevant.

Maintaining a significant level of On-Street Car Parking in Dundrum Village would appear to be the Priority of the Local Authority,given that they were totally unable to impose any form of order upon the outcome of the Dundrum Town Centre development (Largest retail development in Europe at the time, blah blah etc etc),which stands as mute testimony to the lack of basic competence amongst our Native Town Planners,wherever they may lurk! :mad:

(Google Earth the damn place...take note of the totally unchanged nature and alignment of the Sandyford Road since Queen Victoria last visited us )

It's difficult to believe that ANY Proffessional Town Planner or Roads Engineer actually opened the file,never mind studied the colouredy pictures inside ?

Oh...I almost forgot...the 17...a "Peripheral" route,is unable to come anywhere near the Dundrum Luas Stop on it's journey to & from Blackrock DART...Via UCD.....why....cos,nobody bothered to even take a broad overview and study the options.....and there are a few....;)

ddx05

xper wrote: »

I was talking just last week to friend who commutes to UCD from Terenure who was saying there had been mention of Route 175 running from Tallaght to UCD being imminently announced by DB in some recent blurb he got from the powers that be in the college. I won't hold my breath, however.


Its >500m/7 mins walk from the 75 stop in Dundrum to the Luas. This is not integrated transport under any rational definition.

One would hope that after the network review, every bus route approaching or crossing a rail route would do so at a station. The Dundrum Luas stop, with its large bus lay-by would be an ideal node where several cross-suburb routes could link with the Luas and each other. I'd be thinking something along the lines of splitting both the 75 and 17 into two routes each at that point with perhaps a third pair of routes being introduced to allow the existing routes to be straightened out.

The 175 was proposed to run along the Kilininny Road, Scholarstown Road, Taylors Lane, Grange Road, Ballinteer Avenue, Sandyford Industrial Estate and joining the 75 at Stillorgan.

I think the 17 could have certain peak hour routings via Taney Road and Mount Anville Road to UCD, i.e. skip Dundrum Road, Bird Ave, Roebuck Road