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Receipt

  • 11-05-2017 9:29am
    #1
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
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    I submitted a receipt seeking reimbursement of my medical fees which was declined on the basis that the receipt was not signed, dated, stamped or numbered. This person has been issuing standardized photocopied receipts where she just writes your name on it along with the cost per consult. She has refused to respond to repeated requests for a proper receipt. Should I contact Revenue, would they be able to help?


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  • #2
    gerrybbadd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Luke Tender Litter wrote: »
    I submitted a receipt seeking reimbursement of my medical fees which was declined on the basis that the receipt was not signed, dated, stamped or numbered. This person has been issuing standardized photocopied receipts where she just writes your name on it along with the cost per consult. She has refused to respond to repeated requests for a proper receipt. Should I contact Revenue, would they be able to help?

    Why did you send the receipt? Did you fill out a MED 1?


  • #3
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭d9oiu2wk07blr5


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Why did you send the receipt? Did you fill out a MED 1?

    The reimbursement wasn't sought under med 1. The reimbursement is insurance related so you need a proper receipt.


  • #4
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Luke Tender Litter wrote: »
    The reimbursement wasn't sought under med 1. The reimbursement is insurance related so you need a proper receipt.

    There is no particular obligation to issue a receipt. It is a matter between customer and supplier. Revenue can't help you here.


  • #5
    d9oiu2wk07blr5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭d9oiu2wk07blr5


    antoinolachtnai wrote: »
    There is no particular obligation to issue a receipt. It is a matter between customer and supplier. Revenue can't help you here.

    Is there an obligation to have proper supporting documentation of all income earned for tax reasons?


  • #6
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭Allinall


    antoinolachtnai wrote: »
    There is no particular obligation to issue a receipt. It is a matter between customer and supplier. Revenue can't help you here.

    There is certainly an obligation to provide a receipt, with the suppliers tax number quoted.

    Revenue would be very interested in this particular consultant.


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  • #7
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Allinall wrote: »
    There is certainly an obligation to provide a receipt, with the suppliers tax number quoted.

    Revenue would be very interested in this particular consultant.

    There is?

    Tell me more. I have never yet gotten a taxi receipt with a tax number on it. or even a bus ticket. Casual traders do not generally give receipts. Many cafes do not give you a receipt. Vending machines generally do not issue receipts. Are all these people doing it wrong?


  • #8
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Insurance companies will do everything the can to stop paying out.

    Such a receipt is almost impossible in todays world.

    What consultant is going to manually sign invoices.

    I'd simply tell them if it is not paid that you are going to cancel your insurance.

    Then I'd cancel your insurance.


  • #9
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    antoinolachtnai wrote:
    There is no particular obligation to issue a receipt. It is a matter between customer and supplier. Revenue can't help you here.


    Happy to be corrected here but isn't every bus supposed to give or at least offer a numbered receipt? Everyone is entitled to a receipt if requested and for accounting purposes for revenue don't you need to use a numbering system?


  • #10
    gerrybbadd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Happy to be corrected here but isn't every bus supposed to give or at least offer a numbered receipt? Everyone is entitled to a receipt if requested and for accounting purposes for revenue don't you need to use a numbering system?

    For accounting purposes, invoices have to have sequential numbers, or they're not considered valid


  • #11
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Happy to be corrected here but isn't every bus supposed to give or at least offer a numbered receipt? Everyone is entitled to a receipt if requested and for accounting purposes for revenue don't you need to use a numbering system?

    Nope, not as far as I know.


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  • #12
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    antoinolachtnai wrote: »
    Nope, not as far as I know.
    For accounting purposes, invoices have to have sequential numbers, or they're not considered valid

    The beauty of getting advice on boards. :):)


  • #13
    gerrybbadd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The beauty of getting advice on boards. :):)

    The first line of the charter has never been more relevant!

    Disclaimer: This is not a legal/tax/accountancy advice forum. Any opinion offered, in any guise, is to be taken as opinion, and nothing else

    Take it from Revenue though - What is a valid invoice?

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/guide/credit-notes.html#section3

    Point 2

    a sequential number, based on one or more series, which uniquely identifies the invoice,


  • #14
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    gerrybbadd wrote:
    Disclaimer: This is not a legal/tax/accountancy advice forum. Any opinion offered, in any guise, is to be taken as opinion, and nothing else


    I always warn posters today be careful who they get advice from.

    My own accountant has always insisted I use numbered invoices and I was pretty sure that you had a to issue a receipt.


  • #15
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    I thought we were talking about receipts?! In general there is no requirement to provide a receipt or for that matter an invoice, numbered, dated or otherwise. It is good practice, certainly.


  • #16
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    antoinolachtnai wrote:
    I thought we were talking about receipts?! In general there is no requirement to provide a receipt or for that matter an invoice, numbered, dated or otherwise. It is good practice, certainly.


    Are you sure that if someone requests a numbered receipt showing vat that they aren't entitled to it? Again my own accountant would disagree with that but I am happy to bowl today your superior knowledge


  • #17
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Not unless there is something special about your business that requires you to issue receipts. And a receipt is only an acknowledgement of payment.

    If you work on a credit basis (i.e., you do the work first and get the money at the end, or you supply the goods first and get the money after) you shouldn't be too surprised if the customer demands a written invoice before paying. Even if you have strong negative feelings about paperwork, you are obviously in a weak commercial position and in practice you will need to issue an invoice or you won't get paid. You will face great difficulties in suing your creditor for payment if you have not issued a written invoice.

    If there is VAT involved, you might have to give a VAT invoice in certain specified circumstances. The circumstances are described in the revenue document linked above. An invoice is not really the same as a receipt. People talk about them like they are the same but they are not.

    In certain circumstances you might even be forbidden from specifying the VAT on the invoice.

    This is all technical. It is good practice to always issue an invoice or detailed receipt and it is bad practice to not issue a receipt when someone asks for it. But it is not necessarily illegal.

    In the OP's case, the OP got a receipt. It sounds like an adequate receipt to me, though the insurer doesn't like it. I don't see much the OP can do in practical terms in relation to what is probably a small amount of money.


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