Internet Access for Minors Bill 2017 - Gobsheens

Atlantic Dawn

Can our TD's who are trying to implement this bill go and feck off to some offshore island with no internet or communication to the outside world, shower of backward gombeen bloody idiots. Some gems include...

• be illegal for parents to allow their children born after 2015 to own a portable device which has the internet. (any parent giving a child unrestricted access to the internet is an idiot full stop)
• the primary aim is to introduce a new law that will force device manufacturers to develop a ?child-friendly? mobile phone or tablet, which has limited access to the web. (yes I can see the likes of Apple/Samsung spending a few billion developing a specifically backward device for this country)
• making it illegal for any commercial outlet to provide access to Wi-Fi without identification.(are they for real? bloody fools, would I need to produce my passport in my local pub to access the wifi?)
• A retail outlet caught selling a device to a minor will be subject to a fine not exceeding ?100.(There's this new developement called the internet that someone can order from)
  

http://www.thejournal.ie/ban-children-mobile-phones-3381404-May2017/

me_irl

Why don't they just rename it the "speaking as a mother" bill.

Seems like parents aren't trusted to do their basic role any more so it's up to society to ensure they don't feed lil Timmy bleach.

Nonsense.

Cantona's Collars

Yet schools want kids to have tablets.

Winterlong

Lets use blunt force instead of perhaps educating kids on safe internet usage. Great idea.

Dravokivich

You can't parent a child passively, which is all you'll be doing if the devices or software have restriction capabilities.

If they have such a big issue with the internet, just cut us all off.

Kimbot

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Can our TD's who are trying to implement this bill go and feck off to some offshore island with no internet or communication to the outside world, shower of backward gombeen bloody idiots. Some gems include...

• be illegal for parents to allow their children born after 2015 to own a portable device which has the internet. (any parent giving a child unrestricted access to the internet is an idiot full stop)
• the primary aim is to introduce a new law that will force device manufacturers to develop a ?child-friendly? mobile phone or tablet, which has limited access to the web. (yes I can see the likes of Apple/Samsung spending a few billion developing a specifically backward device for this country)
  
  Don't companies do this already with their "Child Mode" on phones that the parent can cut down on what they have access to etc.
  
• making it illegal for any commercial outlet to provide access to Wi-Fi without identification.(are they for real? bloody fools, would I need to produce my passport in my local pub to access the wifi?)
• A retail outlet caught selling a device to a minor will be subject to a fine not exceeding ?100.(There's this new developement called the internet that someone can order from)
  
  Im pretty sure that online will look for ID for sales too if they bring this in.
  

http://www.thejournal.ie/ban-children-mobile-phones-3381404-May2017/

Madness Ted..... Madness

ScumLord

Sorry Timmy, you're not allowed to use this device. Now show me how it works so I can stop you.

Our government are really stuck in a time warp, they seem confused and upset by new technology, they have no place telling other people what to do. There's very few members of our government that deserve reelection.

soups05

how about we just ban the internet for under 18s.


then sit back and enjoy the fun as they riot and burn down the country pmsl.

very few things bother kids for long, but deny them internet and you got a major freak out brewing in 5 seconds

silverharp

4D chess, its actually a clever move to create a generation of IT hackers and up-skill the next generation.

me_irl

silverharp wrote: »

4D chess, its actually a clever move to create a generation of IT hackers and up-skill the next generation.

Like that game on Star Trek?

That might be a good distraction for the kids.

SEPT 23 1989

prayers,raffles and internet access are the most pressing problems in Ireland

me_irl

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

prayers,raffles and internet access are the most pressing problems in Ireland

Dunno, that eggy-faced guard is getting a lot of screen time on the six one.

Permabear

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hatrickpatrick

I sincerely doubt that this has a snowball's chance in hell of passing, tbh.

The_Valeyard

I believe we should call this 'The Mrs Lovejoy Act'

gandalf

Let's legislate instead of promoting proper parental supervision of children!

Stupidity of the highest order and again shows that people who don't understand technology shouldn't legislate for it's use!

ThisRegard

Whatever about the means they put forward, I agree with the end to a point.

ScumLord

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In Irish law it's the thought that counts, it doesn't actually have to be enforceable.

heroics

I just sent him an email about this. Be interesting to see if he replies.

It was not an email encouraging it in case anyone thought that.

HigginsJ

We live in an age where great ideas like Coder Dojo are available to help young children learn how to code and this moron wants to ban internet access.

How about some IT, Coding, App Development classes in schools to help our children learn skills that will help them as they grow.

My 2 children read (well my 20-month-old daughter opens books until she can find a duck, dog, cow or sheep and then makes the animals noise) and my son, in particular, loves dinosaur and animal books (corrects his mom when she calls the dinosaur the wrong name) but he is also allowed a small amount of time on my I-pad through specifically installed apps and we do it together.

These guys are beyond stupid, honestly, they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Someone has put this into their head that the internet is bad and it needs to be stopped.

Why would I waste over €100 on some piece of crap tablet that does nothing when you can simply get a proper tablet for the same price and set things up so your child has limited access on it and also just share the time and experience with them.

ThisRegard

HigginsJ wrote: »

this moron wants to ban internet access.

How about some IT, Coding, App Development classes in schools to help our children learn skills that will help them as they grow.

My 2 children read (well my 20-month-old daughter opens books until she can find a duck, dog, cow or sheep and then makes the animals noise) and my son, in particular, loves dinosaur and animal books (corrects his mom when she calls the dinosaur the wrong name) but he is also allowed a small amount of time on my I-pad through specifically installed apps and we do it together.

These guys are beyond stupid, honestly, they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Someone has put this into their head that the internet is bad and it needs to be stopped.

Why would I waste over €100 on some piece of crap tablet that does nothing when you can simply get a proper tablet for the same price and set things up so your child has limited access on it and also just share the time and experience with them.

It's not proposing to ban internet access is it?

You can do all of the above while restricting access to certain subjects.

gctest50

Paddys' razor* :

Some gobsheen TDs brother is after importing a shed load of phones from China that don't work on Irish 4g internets



* Paddys razor : Like Occams razor but involves a brown envelope

HigginsJ

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Your kids obviously are a good bit older than mine but this is the line I would hope rings true when we face similar sorts of issues that you have encountered.

ThisRegard

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I was one such kid, and I'm still at it over 30 years later.

I said in the same thread in the Politics Cafe, the practicalities of such proposals are indeed questionable, but the ultimate aim can't be argued with.

ScumLord

I don't know about other kids from the 80s but I learned about stuff by taking it apart and breaking it. My father used to say I knew just enough to get myself into trouble.

ThisRegard

Problem with modern electronics is that they often can't really be taken apart, experimented with/fixed/broken, and put back together again like they used to. Pretty much made to be disposable.

Permabear

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ScumLord

ThisRegard wrote: »

Problem with modern electronics is that they often can't really be taken apart, experimented with/fixed/broken, and put back together again like they used to. Pretty much made to be disposable.

How did you find that out?

biscuithead

I can see it now. Kid is Ireland gets online to one of his many online friends around the world:

Irish kid (let's call him Sean): "Hey Zack (kid in the US/Canada/wherever), whaddup?

Zack: "Hey Sean, bro. What's new?"

Sean: "Sucks, bro. Government has forced me to use a lame-o kiddy restricted OS on my system. Can't access sh!t. Can't download movies. Can't hit torrent sites."

Zack: "Bummer, dude. Here's my FTP server address. I've set you up with unrestricted access. 15 terrabytes of movies, music, games, porn, warez. It's on 24/7. Go nuts, brah!"

Sean: "Cheers, dude. See you online later for GTA?"

Zack: "Totally, dude."

osarusan

It should be necessary to put curtains around the devices too.

me_irl

osarusan wrote: »

It should be necessary to put curtains around the devices too.

iHijab.

ThisRegard

ScumLord wrote: »

How did you find that out?

The hard way:P

Dr Crayfish

What the f*ck is a gobsheen??

me_irl

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

What the f*ck is a gobsheen??

A gobshíte with a gloss finish.

biscuithead

The retard obviously hasn't got a clue about technology. The hardware on a device cannot prevent what is accessed. That function is determined by the software. This fool seems to think that the technology community is going to get together and build a second internet.....one that can only be accessed via frequencies used on a new design of device.

HigginsJ

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Ha ha, parenting is a learn as you go alright. Our son is just gone 3 and as our say our daughter is 20 months old and while not internet related we hvae learnt from the 1st alright.

Best of luck, you have your hands full.

Pherekydes

I thought they sorted all the bad stuff out by saying a prayer to holey god?

Did it not work?

andekwarhola

A lot of parents don't give a fcuk or are well-meaning but clueless.

My son's 7 (nearly 8) year old pal told me recently he'd just got a smartphone and casually asked me for our WIFI password. My son was complaining to me that he (the pal) could look at 'everything' on the internet 'by himself' (as in, unlimited and non-restricted access unlike their tablets).

Although we do restrict access in our house, the key is basically to drum internet security and safety into them from early age, including the concept of how permanent your online disclosures are, because although you can restrict access on domestic devices, fcuk knows what they can get access to outside the home, despite your best efforts.