It's not the same Masters

hupskip

Had a student on teaching practice who is doing a PME in Primary Educatio. They kept talking about it being a Masters.

This annoyed me that it is being referred to as a Masters as I trained as a Primary Teacher for three years and then did a part time Masters of Education for two years.

As far as I'm concerned the PME should not be classified as a Masters.

dar100

What does PME stand for? What level on the NFQ is it?

cruizer101

Professional Master of Education, I think its a masters because its a two year course now as opposed to the old 1 year HDip

dar100

If it's a two year level 9 masters what is your issue op?

hupskip

dar100 wrote: »

If it's a two year level 9 masters what is your issue op?

I just don't think a Two Year PME carries the same weight as a Masters completed by somebody who has already done a Bachelor of Education degree.

hupskip

cruizer101 wrote: »

Professional Master of Education, I think its a masters because its a two year course now as opposed to the old 1 year HDip

hDip for Primary Teaching was always 18 months then extended to 2 years and then the title changed to PME.

afkasurfjunkie

Your undergrad degree is in education and your masters is an m.ed I imagine. This person has done their undergrad degree in another area. Arts or business or science or whatever and now they are undertaking a 2 year course to obtain a teaching qualification. By the time they are finished they will have 6 years of courses behind them. Also most primary teachers until recently only had a 3 year degree.
Which carries more weight is up to an interview panel to decide.

dar100

hupskip wrote: »

I just don't think a Two Year PME carries the same weight as a Masters completed by somebody who has already done a Bachelor of Education degree.

maybe not, but it is a masters degree none the less! It will also be more advanced than a primary degree!

hupskip

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

Your undergrad degree is in education and your masters is an m.ed I imagine. This person has done their undergrad degree in another area. Arts or business or science or whatever and now they are undertaking a 2 year course to obtain a teaching qualification. By the time they are finished they will have 6 years of courses behind them. Also most primary teachers until recently only had a 3 year degree.
Which carries more weight is up to an interview panel to decide.

Some people have done a 4 year Arts Degree for example, then an 18 months Hdip to get their teaching qualification and then a 2 year Masters in Education. This type of Masters is far more challenging and beneficial in my eyes.

dar100

hupskip wrote: »

Some people have done a 4 year Arts Degree for example, then an 18 months Hdip to get their teaching qualification and then a 2 year Masters in Education. This type of Masters is far more challenging and beneficial in my eyes.

A masters is a masters!! The fact that someone may or may not have done a hdip before does not make it anyway more challenging or exclusive

hupskip

dar100 wrote: »

A masters is a masters!! The fact that someone may or may not have done a hdip before have does not make it anyway more challenging or exclusive

Its essentially the same as the previous hDip only a few months extra and decide to call it a Masters

dar100

hupskip wrote: »

Its essentially the same as the previous hDip only a few months extra and decide to call it a Masters

It's a level 9 I presume? Therefore it is at a higher level and again I'd assume a large thesis?

hupskip

dar100 wrote: »

It's a level 9 I presume? Therefore it is at a higher level and again I'd assume a large thesis?

No they do a 10,000 word Research Project.
In my Masters of Education I did a 20,000 word thesis.

dar100

hupskip wrote: »

No they do a 10,000 word Research Project.
In my Masters of Education I did a 20,000 word thesis.

So you're feeling screwed over, basically? 😊

hupskip

dar100 wrote: »

So you're feeling screwed over, basically? 😊

In a way yes, I don't think somebody who is entering the world of education for the first time can suddenly have a masters in it after two years.

gctest50

Well, they do now

hupskip

gctest50 wrote: »

Well, they do now

On paper ya, I just feel it's not right and because of this many graduates of the PME will feel they have their Masters and will be less inclined to take up another one down the line, where they will get a far better insight into the world of education.

Stroke Politics

It was my understanding that a Masters is a level 10 qualification. The postgrad diploma that was completed in my day is different from the graduate diploma, and was a level 9 qualification.

So when I did the one year grad dip in speciial ed at Saint pats, we were told that it was a level 10 qualification, which could be topped up to Masters level after a further year study and assignment.

hupskip

Stroke Politics wrote: »

It was my understanding that a Masters is a level 10 qualification. The postgrad diploma that was completed in my day is different from the graduate diploma, and was a level 9 qualification.

So when I did the one year grad dip in speciial ed at Saint pats, we were told that it was a level 10 qualification, which could be topped up to Masters level after a further year study and assignment.

Have you a Teaching Qualification behind you?

dar100

Stroke Politics wrote: »

It was my understanding that a Masters is a level 10 qualification. The postgrad diploma that was completed in my day is different from the graduate diploma, and was a level 9 qualification.

So when I did the one year grad dip in speciial ed at Saint pats, we were told that it was a level 10 qualification, which could be topped up to Masters level after a further year study and assignment.

That's wrong, a post grad dip and masters is level 9. A PhD is level 10!! Graduate dip is usually level 8

hupskip

dar100 wrote: »

That's wrong, a post grad dip and masters is level 9. A PhD is level 10!! Graduate dip is usually level 8

PhD is level 10 you're right, don't see myself making that step just yet :P

hupskip

Anyway I just hope Principal's don't think that graduates of the PME will have the same experience as somebody with a separate Teaching Qualification and follow up Masters of Education done.

dar100

hupskip wrote: »

PhD is level 10 you're right, don't see myself making that step just yet :P

Ah sure you'll get there one day 😊

PawneeRanger

hupskip wrote: »

On paper ya, I just feel it's not right and because of this many graduates of the PME will feel they have their Masters and will be less inclined to take up another one down the line, where they will get a far better insight into the world of education.

I have to say, I really hope you didn't share this opinion with the student that was on placement...

The PME is a way for those with a non-education primary degree to gain an initial teaching qualification at masters level.

The M.Ed is designed for those are already teaching which is why you can specialise.

How exactly do you know how "many graduates" of the PME will feel? Or what the M.Ed uptake will be further down the line? They need to get into the workforce and decide if they want to specialise in a certain area before they consider an M.Ed.

Tbh, you just come across as bitter.

hupskip

PawneeRanger wrote: »

I have to say, I really hope you didn't share this opinion with the student that was on placement...

The PME is a way for those with a non-education primary degree to gain an initial teaching qualification at masters level.

The M.Ed is designed for those are already teaching which is why you can specialise.

How exactly do you know how "many graduates" of the PME will feel? Or what the M.Ed uptake will be further down the line? They need to get into the workforce and decide if they want to specialise in a certain area before they consider an M.Ed.

Tbh, you just come across as bitter.

You are missing the point completely I'm trying to make

muttnjeff

hupskip wrote: »

Anyway I just hope Principal's don't think that graduates of the PME will have the same experience as somebody with a separate Teaching Qualification and follow up Masters of Education done.

In my experience as you are both fully qualified teachers-the principal will take the one who gets on best with the children and with the rest of the staff. I know who my money's on!

hupskip

muttnjeff wrote: »

In my experience as you are both fully qualified teachers-the principal will take the one who gets on best with the children and with the rest of the staff. I know who my money's on!

I have a permanent job

muttnjeff

hupskip wrote: »

I have a permanent job

well then-live and let live