ai man wrong straw

Bellview · 07-05-2017 1:45pm #1

Just wondering if an ai man puts in a wrong straw into a cow (pedigree) and uses a straw from another breed where does liability lie. The straw in ai system is the bull that was requested to get used. Did not happen to me but it has happened to my neighbour. ..the calf born has been genomic tested so sire is known

patsy_mccabe · 07-05-2017 1:51pm

And is the actual sire also from the same company.

Bellview · 07-05-2017 2:39pm

patsy_mccabe wrote:

And is the actual sire also from the same company.

Yes same company. Person has gone from having a pedigree calf to a commercial. ..and it's a bull

Water John · 07-05-2017 4:21pm

I've a lovely white charolais supposedly Limousin bull calf. Not a problem like this guy has, but it does happen.

whelan2 · 07-05-2017 4:59pm

So either the cow got the wrong straw or the wrong semen was in the straw. How did the farmer tell the ai man what bull he wanted, is the code of both bulls even close to each other? I hate the new ai codes with numbers.

patsy_mccabe · 07-05-2017 5:10pm

If he kept the original AI receipt and the calf has been genomic tested, then he could certainly make a case.

whelan2 · 07-05-2017 5:35pm

I wonder how many people actually check that the straw used is the correct one?

tanko · 07-05-2017 6:26pm

whelan2 wrote: »

So either the cow got the wrong straw or the wrong semen was in the straw. How did the farmer tell the ai man what bull he wanted, is the code of both bulls even close to each other? I hate the new ai codes with numbers.

True, the new Ai codes are a balls, very easy to mix them up.
Last year I was away and left a heifer in the shed for the Ai man to do. I told him to put the Saler bull Highfield Odran SA2153 on her, when i landed home i saw the straw he used on the ground, it was the Simmental bull Curaheen Earp SI12152. I know the name of the bull is written on the straw also but he mixed up the codes. I don't know if both Bulls have the same coloured straws.
Ai technicians are often in such a hurry that they don't double check the straws.

whelan2 · 07-05-2017 7:01pm

tanko wrote: »

True, the new Ai codes are a balls, very easy to mix them up.
Last year I was away and left a heifer in the shed for the Ai man to do. I told him to put the Saler bull Highfield Odran SA2153 on her, when i landed home i saw the straw he used on the ground, it was the Simmental bull Curaheen Earp SI12152. I know the name of the bull is written on the straw also but he mixed up the codes. I don't know if both Bulls have the same coloured straws.
Ai technicians are often in such a hurry that they don't double check the straws.

Heard of something similar but the ai man had a habit of leaving the used straw at the next farm. So the straw that would be on the ground wasnt used on that farm at all iykwim

Mooooo · 07-05-2017 7:40pm

Cow here was given a big bb instead of a fr a few years back, I'd say more the height of talk between the ai man and dad, but the straws would have been the same colour, it was only when she was calving it was found out. Cow was half fecked after it but came around ok, calf ended up being kept and was sold for export I'd say it hit a half tonne before 12 months

RedPeppers · 07-05-2017 7:52pm

Happened to a neighbour here last here. He complained to Munster ai and was compensated not sure how much he got though. Had a cow here this year that should have be incalf to an RGZ AA now what she had exactly I still don't know but he was huge and grew buds so I'm guessing it was a limo happens far too often. Cow was well fecked after it but came ok

kay 9 · 07-05-2017 8:04pm

Happened here too, can't remember the bull but it was a hard calving simmental instead of an easy limo. Lost the calf and moved on. Always check the straws anymore

Bellview · 07-05-2017 9:54pm

patsy_mccabe wrote:

If he kept the original AI receipt and the calf has been genomic tested, then he could certainly make a case.

Yes all data. In icbf herd plus the bull is the requested bull..and the genomic test is back with another sire.
He will chase the ai alright will be interesting what reaction he will get...as he has all facts.
The bulls involved are the old 3 letter code.

Bellview · 07-05-2017 9:56pm

whelan2 wrote:

I wonder how many people actually check that the straw used is the correct one?

This is reason I have my own pot as keeps it easy.
The genomic test is good here to ensure ped correct as he had calf registered as a pedigree

Future Farmer · 08-05-2017 10:59am

Think 10% of animals tested for the BDGP to date had the wrong sire registered....

Some, pedigree breeders have surely ended up getting a knock on the door....

AI Tech issue, human error it happens, unfortunately, sure AI companies try to minimise it...

patsy_mccabe · 08-05-2017 12:21pm

I see that all the old beef AI bulls have being genomic tested. They must have kept some samples flesh or otherwise from them.

Future Farmer · 08-05-2017 1:00pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I see that all the old beef AI bulls have being genomic tested. They must have kept some samples flesh or otherwise from them.

They used AI Straws....

patsy_mccabe · 08-05-2017 2:45pm

Future Farmer wrote: »

They used AI Straws....

Ok, that explains it.

Donegalforever · 08-05-2017 8:16pm

An A.I. man from a prominent Ai company served my area for a long number of years.

No matter how hard I tried to locate the used AI straw that he used I could never find it.

If a calf looked nothing like the breed it was supposed to be, he would say that "it went with the cow".

tanko · 08-05-2017 8:21pm

I know a farmer who used to sellotape the straw to the docket. The Ai Man wouldn't be able to tell him any rubbish if there was a problem nine months later.

J.O. Farmer · 08-05-2017 8:41pm

tanko wrote: »

I know a farmer who used to sellotape the straw to the docket. The Ai Man wouldn't be able to tell him any rubbish if there was a problem nine months later.

There shouldn't be a problem in 9 months time then and if there is it's not the ai man's fault because I assume he'd check the straw when going to the trouble of sellotaping it.

The part time boy · 08-05-2017 8:42pm

kay 9 wrote: »

Always check the straws anymore

You not be long pissing a ai man off by asking to check the straw Every time he puts It in the flask

GiantPencil · 08-05-2017 8:47pm

Future Farmer wrote: »

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I see that all the old beef AI bulls have being genomic tested. They must have kept some samples flesh or otherwise from them.

They used AI Straws....

I was at an ICBF talk a few weeks ago and they were asking for people to donate straws of old bulls so they could be genotyped. Fellas were laughing saying they'd rather keep the straw and pray for a heifer!

croot · 08-05-2017 10:42pm

The part time boy wrote: »

You not be long pissing a ai man off by asking to check the straw Every time he puts It in the flask

AI man always leaves the straw here after service. I paid for it and I don't see how that could piss him off. Unless he was being caught out doing something wrong.

The part time boy · 08-05-2017 10:49pm

croot wrote: »

The part time boy wrote: »

You not be long pissing a ai man off by asking to check the straw Every time he puts It in the flask

AI man always leaves the straw here after service. I paid for it and I don't see how that could piss him off. Unless he was being caught out doing something wrong.

Ok at first reading I taugh kay was checking the straws before they were used . Which would be different.

I see now they might have meant check it once his gone

ai man wrong straw

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