Chargers / charging products charging solutions

listermint

Had not seen a dedicated product thread here, might be a good spot to put products that people come across.

Just seen this new product launched most likely for the commercial sector but great design none the less

https://youtu.be/KT86ICX6VsI


Link added

unkel

Video doesn't play :-(

listermint

Link added and fixed URL, it was done on phone.

unkel

Good plan. Works well with an iron too

I like this one, in case wireless charging isn't viable for the forseeable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

goz83

unkel wrote: »

Good plan. Works well with an iron too

I like this one, in case wireless charging isn't viable for the forseeable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

Ugh. That thing gives me the creeps! It's like a robotic worm.

unkel

Worse. I wouldn't be walking around in the same room that yoke is in

cros13

unkel wrote: »

Worse. I wouldn't be walking around in the same room that yoke is in

You're not the only one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV6hP9wpMW8

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Good plan. Works well with an iron too

I like this one, in case wireless charging isn't viable for the forseeable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

Obviously if you own a model S , your garage is maintained immaculate by your Mexican cleaning lady and is the size of a football field ,

Can't see the point , surely the staff will be ordered to plug it in anyway

We called these projects " microprocessor do wonder " projects in college.

cros13

The real goal of the "snakebot" chargers is for automatic connection to the superchargers.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

The real goal of the "snakebot" chargers is for automatic connection to the superchargers.

That makes perfect sense. It fits right into Musk's goal of fully autonomous vehicles that you hail. Once you are finished with it it needs to be able to go back to the supercharger and charge itself for its next customer.

BoatMad

cros13 wrote: »

The real goal of the "snakebot" chargers is for automatic connection to the superchargers.

why , you think the punter can be bothered to plug the cable in , seems to work for petrol for 70 years !!!

cros13

It's primarily to allow the car to charge without the punter being present at all.

reboot

Four years in and out of warranty. I am finding no one is interested in sorting out home CP faults, your on own sadly.

Fiskar

Some testing in France with a recharging road surface,
https://www.connexionfrance.com/index.php/French-news/Electric-car-charging-road-tested-in-France

cros13

Fiskar wrote: »

Some testing in France with a recharging road surface,
https://www.connexionfrance.com/index.php/French-news/Electric-car-charging-road-tested-in-France

These kind of wireless charging solutions are going to fizzle out fairly quickly beyond destination and home charging.

There's a hard limit of ~20kW above which you are almost guaranteed interference with pacemakers and other electronics.

With conductive DC charging already at 400kW, why make roads needlessly more complex and expensive?
It makes even less sense than in-air refuelling for commercial airliners.
Technically possible but offering too little in the "pro" column and too much in the "con".

BoatMad

cros13 wrote: »

These kind of wireless charging solutions are going to fizzle out fairly quickly beyond destination and home charging.

There's a hard limit of ~20kW above which you are almost guaranteed interference with pacemakers and other electronics.

With conductive DC charging already at 400kW, why make roads needlessly more complex and expensive?
It makes even less sense than in-air refuelling for commercial airliners.
Technically possible but offering too little in the "pro" column and too much in the "con".

I agree , it's going nowhere

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

These kind of wireless charging solutions are going to fizzle out fairly quickly beyond destination and home charging.

There's a hard limit of ~20kW above which you are almost guaranteed interference with pacemakers and other electronics.

With conductive DC charging already at 400kW, why make roads needlessly more complex and expensive?
It makes even less sense than in-air refuelling for commercial airliners.
Technically possible but offering too little in the "pro" column and too much in the "con".

Probably going nowhere for cars but what about the likes of dedicated bus lanes? There might be an application there where you have city buses on the same routes all day and a "continuous" 20kW might be enough to keep the show on the road?!

Not saying it would work in our cities but the cities with decent planning!

BoatMad

KCross wrote: »

Probably going nowhere for cars but what about the likes of dedicated bus lanes? There might be an application there where you have city buses on the same routes all day and a "continuous" 20kW might be enough to keep the show on the road?!

Not saying it would work in our cities but the cities with decent planning!

Simply not cost effective

KCross

BoatMad wrote: »

Simply not cost effective

You have to factor in efficiency as well as cost. If you want electric public transport you can't have it stopping for charging.

I know there are systems to charge the buses at the bus stops but having it in the road makes it suitable for more than just buses.

I haven't seen any costs for the system but it appears to be in early enough development stages so you can't rule it out based on cost when cost is unknown.

Obviously you can't dig up entire cities to put it in but it could be put on new bus corridors or maybe it could be retrofitted at relatively small cost (i.e. entire road not requiring resurfacing... I don't know... I'm just not ruling it out until I see figures).

ELM327

I think public transport on defined routes would be the only viable use for this wireless charging.
That way you only change/resurface a small amount of road but for maximum impact as you hit thousands of people per day, and remove the worst polluting vehicles from the roads.

man_no_plan

ELM327 wrote: »

I think public transport on defined routes would be the only viable use for this wireless charging.
That way you only change/resurface a small amount of road but for maximum impact as you hit thousands of people per day, and remove the worst polluting vehicles from the roads.

It would surely be easier to run overhead lines on these routes which could run the motor with the battery only being needed when the bus deviates from that route.

Over designing things that are 'cool' isn't necessary or practical, cost ineffective most likely also.

Fire up a few poles and get on with it!

ELM327

man_no_plan wrote: »

It would surely be easier to run overhead lines on these routes which could run the motor with the battery only being needed when the bus deviates from that route.

Over designing things that are 'cool' isn't necessary or practical, cost ineffective most likely also.

Fire up a few poles and get on with it!

Hmmm. Public transport, powered by overhead lines and poles.
On a defined route. Or "Track" if you will.

We could call it Luas, or Dart!

man_no_plan

ELM327 wrote: »

Hmmm. Public transport, powered by overhead lines and poles.
On a defined route. Or "Track" if you will.

We could call it Luas, or Dart!

Not withstanding your use of the smiley face, I am obviously referring to buses which can connect in and out of the lines as required.

You will find very little deviation from the predefined routes in the two examples you provide.

And just to clarify, I'm not an engineer, spacecraft designer or electric vehicle super knowledge dude.

I just think that keeping it simple is often the best approach.

Next thing we will be having cameras in our phones, it'll never take off I tell you!

ELM327

Sorry, I was just joking.
If we're taking a logical approach to additional expense, it doesnt really make sense in my opinion to build a "wired" charging network for buses since we have already 2 public transport wired networks.

man_no_plan

ELM327 wrote: »

Sorry, I was just joking.
If we're taking a logical approach to additional expense, it doesnt really make sense in my opinion to build a "wired" charging network for buses since we have already 2 public transport wired networks.

Ah look I know, sure the smiley face gave you away!

Apart from cost moving to electricity as a fuel would make for cleaner cities.

BoatMad

man_no_plan wrote: »

Fire up a few poles and get on with it!

Luas is an example of what happens when you : fire up a few poles " in a dense urban area

Hybrid buses followed by pure BEV busses are likely to be a better solution , The urban mileage a city centre bus does is not particularly large

reboot

As posted before, I would be happy with "firing up a few poles" with even a 7kva socket, on a few lamp posts.
At least there wouldn't be the often heard excuse that "we have to have 3 phase supply". 7kva would not be expensive, and often would be sufficient for my journeys.