Sporty diesel advice requied

welshireland

I am looking into getting a sporty diesel 2010 to 2014
I am stuck between a
Leon FR
VRS
Or a Mondeo X sport 2.2 or 2.0

I do a fair bit of milage maybe 700 miles a week and would need to tow a horsebox maybe 10 times a year.

Any advice would be very appreciated
Thanks a million

_Brian

Would the Leon be heavy enough to pull a horse box ?

welshireland

_Brian wrote: »

Would the Leon be heavy enough to pull a horse box ?

I dont think so myself. I do see people towing with golfs and passage however.

Ubbquittious

I wouldnt like to be towing a horsebox too far with a VRS, although it could be done. In Poland they'd probably tow one with a Cinquecento

_Brian

Personally I'd be thinking Mondeo formyour case.

How about the Octavia Scout.

kona

335d xdrive?

Del2005

welshireland wrote: »

I am looking into getting a sporty diesel 2010 to 2014
I am stuck between a
Leon FR
VRS
Or a Mondeo X sport 2.2 or 2.0

I do a fair bit of milage maybe 700 miles a week and would need to tow a horsebox maybe 10 times a year.

Any advice would be very appreciated
Thanks a million

Find the MAN/DGVW for the trailer you want to tow and see if any of the cars you want can tow it.

http://www.towcar.info/towing.php

chicorytip

Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 d. 06-07.

Reventon93

S60 R-design? Hear they're basically indestructable. And the diesels are supposed to be good (except the 1.6).

welshireland

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I wouldnt like to be towing a horsebox too far with a VRS, although it could be done. In Poland they'd probably tow one with a Cinquecento

Why not with a VRS? What would u advise ? A 4x4 wouldn't suit milage wise and it's fairly unofton

welshireland

_Brian wrote: »

Personally I'd be thinking Mondeo formyour case.

How about the Octavia Scout.

Why so ? What's a Skoda Scout?

welshireland

kona wrote: »

335d xdrive?

Is that a BMW ?

Shannon757

welshireland wrote: »

Is that a BMW ?

Yes.

MarkN

welshireland wrote: »

I am looking into getting a sporty diesel 2010 to 2014
I am stuck between a
Leon FR
VRS
Or a Mondeo X sport 2.2 or 2.0

I do a fair bit of milage maybe 700 miles a week and would need to tow a horsebox maybe 10 times a year.


Any advice would be very appreciated
Thanks a million

Bigger car would be nice for the distances you do maybe? So Leon ruled out for that reason perhaps.

VRS seems to be the most familiar of the three when it comes to all round practicality and performance. If the Mondeo was an ST diesel it would be a tougher choice I think. Although the mileage on this certainly suggests the Mondeo is reliable

http://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1743485&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26o%3D259%26l%5B%5D%3D10%26g%3D0

welshireland

Del2005 wrote: »

Find the MAN/DGVW for the trailer you want to tow and see if any of the cars you want can tow it.

http://www.towcar.info/towing.php

Thank you for this

CiniO

Civic 2.2
If has 140BHP originally, and you can tune it up simply to over 200bhp just through chip tuning. Probably uprated clutch would be needed - especially if you're towing, but that costs not more than original clutch with flywheel.

Should be sporty enough.
It's factory rated to tow 1500kg, so possibly could be enough for your horsebox.

CiniO

Ubbquittious wrote: »

In Poland they'd probably tow one with a Cinquecento

???
I don't think I've ever seen any horsebox in Poland ever.

kravmaga

welshireland wrote: »

I am looking into getting a sporty diesel 2010 to 2014
I am stuck between a
Leon FR
VRS
Or a Mondeo X sport 2.2 or 2.0

I do a fair bit of milage maybe 700 miles a week and would need to tow a horsebox maybe 10 times a year.

Any advice would be very appreciated
Thanks a million

I would go with the Skoda Octavia VRS 2ltr diesel

Toyotafanboi

Threads in buying and main motors forum merged. Lets try keep it to one thread per topic please OP, thanks.

GustavoFring

Can't see why the FR would be discounted before the Octy tbh unless there's a difference on towing ability (haven't looked it up). You'll probably get a much newer FR over an RS and both will be as comfy daily.

Mooooo

Is it going to be one animal in the box and if so is the horse box only big enough for that animal? Reason I ask is if the horse has space to move you would want a heavier car in front. Or what will you be towing in the box?

bazz26

What about a Subaru Legacy?



http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1742146&r=s.php%3Fm%3D83%26o%3D699%26r%3D2011%26g%3D0

Del2005

bazz26 wrote: »

What about a Subaru Legacy?



http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1742146&r=s.php%3Fm%3D83%26o%3D699%26r%3D2011%26g%3D0

Are their diesels any good? Isn't there a thread here where someone had terrible trouble with one.

bazz26

They had alot of problems with the diesels in the previous generation Legacy but they were supposed to be more reliable when the last generation was launched back in 2011.

Henry Ford III

I'm not sure any diesel is "sporty". Some have a decent turn of speed but that still won't make them sporty.

grogi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'm not sure any diesel is "sporty". Some have a decent turn of speed but that still won't make them sporty.

You cannot be more wrong...

If something wins Le Mans, it is sporty enough in my book...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10_TDI

Henry Ford III

grogi wrote:

If something wins LeMans, it is sporty enough in my book...

For what it's worth I saw those Audi's winning in person at Le Man's. The were very fast, reliable and relatively economical. The rules suited them. They had to pit less.

_Brian

welshireland wrote: »

Why so ? What's a Skoda Scout?

www.donedeal.ie/view/14903167
Skoda Octavia Combi Scout 2.0tdi 184BHP DSG 4X4

bazz26

How sporty does a car need to be that is pulling a horsebox? :pac:

Ubbquittious

Anyone remember the old lotto ad with the fella pulling the trailer into the field?

Fiskar

Sport and diesel do not go together, get real.

grogi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

For what it's worth I saw those Audi's winning in person at Le Man's. The were very fast, reliable and relatively economical. The rules suited them. They had to pit less.

Interestingly enough, after the R10 was retired and replaced with diesel R15, Le Mans was won by another diesel - Peugeot 908 HDi FAP...

But my vote would go for a vRS. Unless you can go for one of the twin turbo BMWs - 123d for example...

Henry Ford III

grogi wrote: »

Interestingly enough, after the R10 was retired and replaced with diesel R15, Le Mans was won by another diesel - Peugeot 908 HDi FAP...

Indeed but the 24h de Le Mans is dictated more by the then regulations than outright speed, never mind sportiness.

For example the Audi R8 (racecar) 3.6l V8 was dominant up to 2006. It was petrol powered.

Porsche have won the last 2 years with a petrol powered 2 litre v4 919 Hybrid.

The fastest lap ever (qualifying) was set in 1971 by a Porsche 917 (up to) 5l flat 12 - also petrol.

grogi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Indeed but the 24h de Le Mans is dictated more by the then regulations than outright speed, never mind sportiness.

For example the Audi R8 (racecar) 3.6l V8 was dominant up to 2006. It was petrol powered.

Porsche have won the last 2 years with a petrol powered 2 litre v4 919 Hybrid.

The fastest lap ever (qualifying) was set in 1971 by a Porsche 917 (up to) 5l flat 12 - also petrol.

Goes down to defining what really sport is... Each discipline has its rules - and within those rules the participants compete - and the results the competitors want to achieve.

Some will tell that motorsport is not sport, because it is not about pure muscle... Figure skating is not sport because it is not about speed. Everything can be a sport - online gaming is considered one; there are even problems with doping in e-sport.

In general I don't think that diesel's typical application is in racing, but for sure there are competitions that can find usage for one. And calling anything not-sporty is simply over-simplification.

Henry Ford III

grogi wrote: »

Goes down to defining what really sport is... Each discipline has its rules - and within those rules the participants compete - and the results the competitors want to achieve.

Some will tell that motorsport is not sport, because it is not about pure muscle... Figure skating is not sport because it is not about speed. Everything can be a sport - online gaming is considered one; there are even problems with doping in e-sport.

In general I don't think that diesel's typical application is in racing, but for sure there are competitions that can find usage for one. And calling anything not-sporty is simply over-simplification.

Holy over analysis Batman!

p.s. To get back to the point - no diesel is sporty. Some are fast and win races, but none are inherently sporty.

Gwynston

Henry Ford III wrote: »

p.s. To get back to the point - no diesel is sporty. Some are fast and win races, but none are inherently sporty.

What nonsense! Everything is relative.

A Golf GTD is most certainly intended to be sporty, and is marketed and bought as such. As is the diesel Octavia vRS. They might not be AS sporty as the equivalent petrol GTi or vRS, but they're certainly way more sporty than a 1.0 petrol Micra, for instance... or most mainstream petrol hatches for that matter.

It's not just the engine that makes something sporty to drive.

Nonoperational

I wouldn't take any notice, if you provoke them we will start getting into emissions talk and city bans... yawn.

Henry Ford III

Gwynston wrote: »

What nonsense! Everything is relative.

A Golf GTD is most certainly intended to be sporty, and is marketed and bought as such. As is the diesel Octavia vRS. They might not be AS sporty as the equivalent petrol GTi or vRS, but they're certainly way more sporty than a 1.0 petrol Micra, for instance... or most mainstream petrol hatches for that matter.

It's not just the engine that makes something sporty to drive.

Couldn't agree.

A diesel car with a bigger engine, lowered suspension and a body kit may be a decent drive and will certainly be faster than a cooking version of the same model with a petrol engine, but it will never be truly "sporty".

It's to do with power delivery and engine note I think, and also due to to the fact that diesel engines are heavier which hampers braking and handling.

A sporty petrol engine will rev and rev and there's no lag nor narrow power band. The best ones sound great at high revs.

No diesel can match any of those traits. Ignoring turbo noises they generally sound pretty meh (and I'm driving one currently).

kona

Gwynston wrote: »

What nonsense! Everything is relative.

A Golf GTD is most certainly intended to be sporty, and is marketed and bought as such. As is the diesel Octavia vRS. They might not be AS sporty as the equivalent petrol GTi or vRS, but they're certainly way more sporty than a 1.0 petrol Micra, for instance...

Aiming high there 😂😂😂

CiniO

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Couldn't agree.

A diesel car with a bigger engine, lowered suspension and a body kit may be a decent drive and will certainly be faster than a cooking version of the same model with a petrol engine, but it will never be truly "sporty".

It's to do with power delivery and engine note I think, and also due to to the fact that diesel engines are heavier which hampers braking and handling.

A sporty petrol engine will rev and rev and there's no lag nor narrow power band. The best ones sound great at high revs.

No diesel can match any of those traits. Ignoring turbo noises they generally sound pretty meh (and I'm driving one currently).

Agree.

Even origin of word sporty would suggest that sporty cars are those which are suitable for motorsports.
And how many diesel cars are in use in motorsports?
You don't really get WRC TDi

endabob1

I don't know if it's suitable for motorsports but I drive one of these and find it pretty sporty
http://www.parkers.co.uk/alfa-romeo/giulietta/hatchback-2010/20-jtdm-2-veloce-5d-tct/specs/

That said i wouldn't be pulling a cardboard box with it, never mind a horse box

selectamatic

CiniO wrote: »

Agree.

Even origin of word sporty would suggest that sporty cars are those which are suitable for motorsports.
And how many diesel cars are in use in motorsports?
You don't really get WRC TDi

You don't as it's easier run a petrol engine that's not to say it'd be impossible.

A fella was running a tdi fabia or golf in some British rallies for a few years dunno if he's still at it but he was competitive much to the indignation of the purists.

I personally much prefer petrol but I don't sign up to this diesels can't be sporty sh1te. If it's reasonably fast and handles well a car can be sporty regardless of what it's burning. It's up to the driver to keep a car in it's powerband

A 2009 bmw 3 series e90 with the m57 engine would be my suggestion or perhaps an e60 5 series with the same lump. No timing chain issues with these. The newer n47 and n57 are a different kettle of fish.

A d5 s40 Volvo would be another there's a Volvo approved polestar chip that brings them to 210bhp.

A remap on any of the above will add greatly to the sport :P

Fiskar

WRC, wouldn't see a diesel in this sport.

The exhaust note alone, along with the responsiveness of petrol and light weight of the engine make petrol cars the sport cars. No diesel will ever match that. Take a look at joeachilles Youtube channel. It will change your mind on if you are anyway inclined towards diesel

grogi

selectamatic wrote: »

A 2009 bmw 3 series e90 with the m57 engine would be my suggestion or perhaps an e60 5 series with the same lump. No timing chain issues with these. The newer n47 and n57 are a different kettle of fish.

M47/M57 have their own set of issues and at that stage I would not discriminate against N47/N57. The timing chain operation has been figured out by indy garages and at least with N47 it can be done without taking the motor out.

selectamatic

grogi wrote: »

M47/M57 have their own set of issues and at that stage I would not discriminate against N47/N57. The timing chain operation has been figured out by indy garages and at least with N47 it can be done without taking the motor out.

Their own set of issues amount to standard diesel engine issues though, turbo failure injector issues etc. generally all down to poor maintenance.

N47 and 57 snap chains and it's a four figure outlay to fix them so I can't see where your coming from really truth be told.

Del2005

selectamatic wrote: »

I personally much prefer petrol but I don't sign up to this diesels can't be sporty sh1te. If it's reasonably fast and handles well a car can be sporty regardless of what it's burning. It's up to the driver to keep a car in it's powerband

With enough money and time anything can be made sporty, look at the 911 with engine in the wrong place and the amount of work required to make it work.

A mid engined RWD NA petrol isn't going to require huge amounts of work to become sporty where as a diesel saloon will. Throw enough money at a Micra and it can become sporty same as throwing enough money at an oil burner or a car with the engine in the wrong place and it'll be sporty.

selectamatic

I don't see where I mentioned throwing money at anything?

I offered a few suggestions of diesel cars that are reasonably fun to drive as the op asked for.