When did Ireland become a jurisdiction (instead of a country)?

LordSutch

So much talk nowadays in the Irish media about this jurisdiction & that jurisdiction, as opposed to when I was growing up, when Ireland & all the other EU states were countries.

I understand the technical reasons, but why the change in terminology in Irish media circles in recent years?

Now its all talk about jurisdictions instead of countries.

Why?

gifted

I still call it Ireland

Cee-Jay-Cee

LordSutch wrote: »

So much talk nowadays in the Irish media about this jurisdiction & that jurisdiction, as opposed to when I was growing up, when Ireland & all the other EU states were countries.

I understand the technical reasons, but why the change in terminology in Irish media circles in recent years?

Now its all talk about jurisdictions instead of countries.

Why?

It hasn't changed. The term jurisdiction is usually used when referring to legal/law matters.

Beyondgone

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

It hasn't changed. The term jurisdiction is usually used when referring to legal/law matters.

In "Documents".

When did "papers" become "documents"? Was it the same time this place became a "jurisdiction"? Will it stay a "jurisdiction" going forward?

SEPT 23 1989

For what died the sons of Roisin

odyssey06

Are you sure RTE et al would ever have used 'country' in such a way? I thought jurisdiction was a way of fudging around the territorial claim to Northern Ireland? As far as RTE as concerned, the 'country' included Northern Ireland; the ''jurisdiction" was an acknowledgement of the actual area where laws passed in the Dail would be in force?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Beyondgone wrote: »

In "Documents".

When did "papers" become "documents"? Was it the same time this place became a "jurisdiction"? Will it stay a "jurisdiction" going forward?

What are you talking about?? What documents? What papers??

LordSutch

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

It hasn't changed. The term jurisdiction is usually used when referring to legal/law matters.

Well indeed, hence my question.

Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

Just asking.

namloc1980

LordSutch wrote: »

Well indeed, hence my question.

Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

Just asking.

Haven't noticed myself. Must be listening to the wrong news.

Beyondgone

LordSutch wrote: »

Well indeed, hence my question.

Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

Just asking.

Part of the "beige" Ideal? The one Sutherland et al espouse? Possibly.

RiderOnTheStorm

I listen to the radio a good bit (several hours per day) and have not heard of this before. Maybe its an RTE thing. Don't listen to them much. They annoy me with persistently calling Islamic State the "so called Islamic State", and pronouncing "news" as "noose"...

odyssey06

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

I listen to the radio a good bit (several hours per day) and have not heard of this before. Maybe its an RTE thing. Don't listen to them much. They annoy me with persistently calling Islamic State the "so called Islamic State", and pronouncing "news" as "noose"...

And when did 'pornography' become 'porn' as far as RTE are concerned?
The poor newsreaders can't handle the extra syllables?

Bishopsback

LordSutch wrote: »

Well indeed, hence my question.

Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

Just asking.

If you could link something as an example it might help.
Its not something I've noticed too much tbh, even when thinking about it.
Probably now with brexit it will become more prevailant, as not only will UK and Irish laws differ, EU laws and regulations will differ also.
Tbf, there are 2 jurisdictions on this island anyway, extradition has to be sought to transfer criminal suspects from one part to the other.

Beyondgone

Bishopsback wrote: »

If you could link something as an example it might help.
Its not something I've noticed too much tbh, even when thinking about it.
Probably now with brexit it will become more prevailant, as not only will UK and Irish laws differ, EU laws and regulations will differ also.
Tbf, there are 2 jurisdictions on this island anyway, extradition has to be sought to transfer criminal suspects from one part to the other.

They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

odyssey06

Beyondgone wrote: »

They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

Foreign national seems a lot more polite than legal alien though... Foreign national to me means "You are someone's, just not ours".

Bishopsback

Beyondgone wrote: »

They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

I imagine that's just anyone living or visiting here who is not an Irish citizen.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

For what died the sons of Roisin

the destruction of the one true Ring

Beyondgone

odyssey06 wrote: »

Foreign national seems a lot more polite than legal alien though... Foreign national to me means "You are someone's, just not ours".

I maybe alone in this, and that would be far from unusual. But "foreign National" sounds, to me, as false, disingenuous, sh1tty and cop-outey as "Irish Neutrality". If someone is ok to live here, ok to work here, ok to pay taxes here, calling them a "foreign national" can go to be fcuked. That may well just be me. It usually is.

odyssey06

Beyondgone wrote: »

I maybe alone in this, and that would be far from unusual. But "foreign National" sounds, to me, as false, disingenuous, sh1tty and cop-outey as "Irish Neutrality". If someone is ok to live here, ok to work here, ok to pay taxes here, calling them a "foreign national" can go to be fcuked. That may well just be me. It usually is.

I dont understand. We can hardly call them irish anymore than an irishman working in birmingham would want to be called british.

I think it is quite respectful.

Birdie Num Num

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

For what died the sons of Roisin

Was it fame?

Beyondgone

odyssey06 wrote: »

I dont understand. We can hardly call them irish anymore than an irishman working in birmingham would want to be called british.

I think it is quite respectful.

Would "person" or "citizen" or "suspect" not cover it? "Foreign National" always grates on me.

odyssey06

Beyondgone wrote: »

Would "person" or "citizen" or "suspect" not cover it? "Foreign National" always grates on me.

Foreign citizen would be better... but to me a foreign national means this person came from somewhere. They didnt fall out of the sky. They have their own nationality. Its not better or worse than ours but it is their own.

The Rape of Lucretia

Beyondgone wrote: »

They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

Are foreign nationals not what we used to just call foreigners ?

Beyondgone

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Are foreign nationals not what we used to just call foreigners ?

I'd take that over the "document" speak of "foreign national".

gitzy16v

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Are foreign nationals not what we used to just call foreigners ?

I'd say immigrants would normally be the term used....but Yeh I'd always just say foreigner and they'll correct me if they got Irish citizenship quite proudly saying theyr e Irish now.
I know a good few,decent people making a great life for themselves and foreign nationals isn how I'd describe them.

Beyondgone

gitzy16v wrote: »

I'd say immigrants would normally be the term used....but Yeh I'd always just say foreigner and they'll correct me if they got Irish citizenship quite proudly saying theyr e Irish now.
I know a good few,decent people making a great life for themselves and foreign nationals isn how I'd describe them.

This ^. Pretty much.

oneilla

The only times I've heard jurisdiction was in relation to the border with regards to police and legal matters.

AtomicHorror

In my job we talk about jurisdictions as opposed to countries (EU or anywhere else) because we're referring to any region with one set of regulations. Some countries have multiple jurisdictions, some jurisdictions cover multiple countries.

Nothing's been changed or downgraded here.