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When did Ireland become a jurisdiction (instead of a country)?

  • 24-04-2017 6:57pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭


    So much talk nowadays in the Irish media about this jurisdiction & that jurisdiction, as opposed to when I was growing up, when Ireland & all the other EU states were countries.

    I understand the technical reasons, but why the change in terminology in Irish media circles in recent years?

    Now its all talk about jurisdictions instead of countries.

    Why?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭gifted


    I still call it Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    LordSutch wrote: »
    So much talk nowadays in the Irish media about this jurisdiction & that jurisdiction, as opposed to when I was growing up, when Ireland & all the other EU states were countries.

    I understand the technical reasons, but why the change in terminology in Irish media circles in recent years?

    Now its all talk about jurisdictions instead of countries.

    Why?

    It hasn't changed. The term jurisdiction is usually used when referring to legal/law matters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    It hasn't changed. The term jurisdiction is usually used when referring to legal/law matters.

    In "Documents".

    When did "papers" become "documents"? Was it the same time this place became a "jurisdiction"? Will it stay a "jurisdiction" going forward?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,037 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    For what died the sons of Roisin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,870 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Are you sure RTE et al would ever have used 'country' in such a way? I thought jurisdiction was a way of fudging around the territorial claim to Northern Ireland? As far as RTE as concerned, the 'country' included Northern Ireland; the ''jurisdiction" was an acknowledgement of the actual area where laws passed in the Dail would be in force?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    In "Documents".

    When did "papers" become "documents"? Was it the same time this place became a "jurisdiction"? Will it stay a "jurisdiction" going forward?

    What are you talking about?? What documents? What papers??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    It hasn't changed. The term jurisdiction is usually used when referring to legal/law matters.

    Well indeed, hence my question.

    Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

    Just asking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,385 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Well indeed, hence my question.

    Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

    Just asking.

    Haven't noticed myself. Must be listening to the wrong news.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Well indeed, hence my question.

    Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

    Just asking.

    Part of the "beige" Ideal? The one Sutherland et al espouse? Possibly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    I listen to the radio a good bit (several hours per day) and have not heard of this before. Maybe its an RTE thing. Don't listen to them much. They annoy me with persistently calling Islamic State the "so called Islamic State", and pronouncing "news" as "noose"...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,870 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I listen to the radio a good bit (several hours per day) and have not heard of this before. Maybe its an RTE thing. Don't listen to them much. They annoy me with persistently calling Islamic State the "so called Islamic State", and pronouncing "news" as "noose"...

    And when did 'pornography' become 'porn' as far as RTE are concerned?
    The poor newsreaders can't handle the extra syllables?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Bishopsback


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Well indeed, hence my question.

    Not a day goes by without a jurisdiction being referred to on the Irish airwaves, be it Ireland or any other EU country, so I'm just wondering if its an unconscious decision to drop 'country' or if it really is a consious decision in recognition that the EU 27 are now EU jurisdictions instead if countries?

    Just asking.

    If you could link something as an example it might help.
    Its not something I've noticed too much tbh, even when thinking about it.
    Probably now with brexit it will become more prevailant, as not only will UK and Irish laws differ, EU laws and regulations will differ also.
    Tbf, there are 2 jurisdictions on this island anyway, extradition has to be sought to transfer criminal suspects from one part to the other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    If you could link something as an example it might help.
    Its not something I've noticed too much tbh, even when thinking about it.
    Probably now with brexit it will become more prevailant, as not only will UK and Irish laws differ, EU laws and regulations will differ also.
    Tbf, there are 2 jurisdictions on this island anyway, extradition has to be sought to transfer criminal suspects from one part to the other.

    They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,870 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

    Foreign national seems a lot more polite than legal alien though... Foreign national to me means "You are someone's, just not ours".

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Bishopsback


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

    I imagine that's just anyone living or visiting here who is not an Irish citizen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,776 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    For what died the sons of Roisin

    the destruction of the one true Ring

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Foreign national seems a lot more polite than legal alien though... Foreign national to me means "You are someone's, just not ours".

    I maybe alone in this, and that would be far from unusual. But "foreign National" sounds, to me, as false, disingenuous, sh1tty and cop-outey as "Irish Neutrality". If someone is ok to live here, ok to work here, ok to pay taxes here, calling them a "foreign national" can go to be fcuked. That may well just be me. It usually is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,870 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    I maybe alone in this, and that would be far from unusual. But "foreign National" sounds, to me, as false, disingenuous, sh1tty and cop-outey as "Irish Neutrality". If someone is ok to live here, ok to work here, ok to pay taxes here, calling them a "foreign national" can go to be fcuked. That may well just be me. It usually is.

    I dont understand. We can hardly call them irish anymore than an irishman working in birmingham would want to be called british.

    I think it is quite respectful.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    For what died the sons of Roisin

    Was it fame?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    I dont understand. We can hardly call them irish anymore than an irishman working in birmingham would want to be called british.

    I think it is quite respectful.

    Would "person" or "citizen" or "suspect" not cover it? "Foreign National" always grates on me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,870 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Would "person" or "citizen" or "suspect" not cover it? "Foreign National" always grates on me.

    Foreign citizen would be better... but to me a foreign national means this person came from somewhere. They didnt fall out of the sky. They have their own nationality. Its not better or worse than ours but it is their own.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    They mention "Foreign Nationals" a lot too. Or at least they used to. That's died off a bit. I've no links, don't ask for one. What the hell is a "foreign national" when it relates to someone living in Ireland?

    Are foreign nationals not what we used to just call foreigners ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Are foreign nationals not what we used to just call foreigners ?

    I'd take that over the "document" speak of "foreign national".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Are foreign nationals not what we used to just call foreigners ?

    I'd say immigrants would normally be the term used....but Yeh I'd always just say foreigner and they'll correct me if they got Irish citizenship quite proudly saying theyr e Irish now.
    I know a good few,decent people making a great life for themselves and foreign nationals isn how I'd describe them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    I'd say immigrants would normally be the term used....but Yeh I'd always just say foreigner and they'll correct me if they got Irish citizenship quite proudly saying theyr e Irish now.
    I know a good few,decent people making a great life for themselves and foreign nationals isn how I'd describe them.

    This ^. Pretty much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭oneilla


    The only times I've heard jurisdiction was in relation to the border with regards to police and legal matters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    In my job we talk about jurisdictions as opposed to countries (EU or anywhere else) because we're referring to any region with one set of regulations. Some countries have multiple jurisdictions, some jurisdictions cover multiple countries.

    Nothing's been changed or downgraded here.


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