Cruelty free

Bellablu2011

Hi, I have decided to go completely cruelty free with my toiletries and make up etc. I am finding it so hard to find cruelty free products. Can anyone advise of any other than the body ship? Thanks

Loveinapril

A quick Google search brings up loads of companies.

Bellablu2011

Loveinapril wrote: »

A quick Google search brings up loads of companies.

I have done that but find most of them aren't locally available. That's why I thought I'd give the post a try.

Airyfairy12

The body shop isnt cruelty free, its owned by Loreal.

Charlotte Tilbury, Kat Von D, Lush, Essence, Anastasia beverly hills, Illamasque, Marc Jacobs, Catrice, Gosh, Barry M are a few I know of that are cruelty free and not owned by a company that tests on animals or sells in China.

Bellablu2011

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The body shop isnt cruelty free, its owned by Loreal.

Charlotte Tilbury, Kat Von D, Lush, Essence, Anastasia beverly hills, Illamasque, Marc Jacobs, Catrice, Gosh, Barry M are a few I know of that are cruelty free and not owned by a company that tests on animals or sells in China.

Wow, but I thought that was their major selling point!! That's crazy. Thanks for the list, I'm so bad I haven't heard of most of them ☺️

Loveinapril

Bellablu2011 wrote: »

I have done that but find most of them aren't locally available. That's why I thought I'd give the post a try.

If you write Cruelty Free cosmetics Ireland lots of blog posts and articles come up filled with lists.

njs030

Most companies are owned by a parent company that also owns companies that sell in China so it will be very hard to find any that none of your money goes to them.

All companies in the EU are cruelty free.

Bellablu2011

Loveinapril wrote: »

If you write Cruelty Free cosmetics Ireland lots of blog posts and articles come up filled with lists.

Perfect thanks so much

mcgiggles

Nyx, Elf, Inglot, wet'n'wild are a few more! If you follow Laura's views on youtube she uses (mostly) cruelty free brands :-) so theres bound to be a vid there on brands

Aeternum

My favourite cruelty free makeup brands in Ireland are NYX, Inglot, Smashbox, Illamasqua, No7, Collection, 17, Soap and Glory, Too Faced, Kat Von D, Barry M, Essence, Flormar.

I also order Colourpop and Gerard Cosmetics and Anastasia Beverly Hills online.

For skincare I use No7, Lush and Nip & Fab.

njs030

Aeternum wrote: »

My favourite cruelty free makeup brands in Ireland are NYX, Inglot, Smashbox, Illamasqua, No7, Collection, 17, Soap and Glory, Too Faced, Kat Von D, Barry M, Essence, Flormar.

I also order Colourpop and Gerard Cosmetics and Anastasia Beverly Hills online.

For skincare I use No7, Lush and Nip & Fab.

Nyx are owned by L'Oreal,
Kat Von D is owned by the same company that owns sephora and benefit who trade in China.
Too Faced and smashbox are owned by Estee Lauder.
No 7 and soap and glory are both owned by Boots who are owned by Walgreen's.

That's just the ones from your list I know off the top of my head.
If your version of cruelty free means no profits go to companies that trade in China then none of these are cruelty free.
If you mean literally the product you use are cruelty free every cosmetic in the EU is cruelty free by law.

njs030

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The body shop isnt cruelty free, its owned by Loreal.

Charlotte Tilbury, Kat Von D, Lush, Essence, Anastasia beverly hills, Illamasque, Marc Jacobs, Catrice, Gosh, Barry M are a few I know of that are cruelty free and not owned by a company that tests on animals or sells in China.

Marc Jacobs and Kat Von D are owned by the same company that owns benefit and sephora.

GingerLily

To be cruelty free do you have to also purchase your cosmetics from distribution companies that only sell cruelty free?

For example - Boots sell non-cruelty free brands so you shouldn't purchase your cruelty free cosmetics through them as they profit from non-cruelty free brand's?

Sunny Dayz

There's a blogger/youtuber Laura's Views - she's passionate about vegan and cruelty free products. Check out her social media for brands that are cruelty free.
(I'm not her btw - I just like how she doesn't ram it down your throat or try to make you feel bad for not being vegan or cruelty free yourself)

Aeternum

notjustsweet wrote: »

Nyx are owned by L'Oreal,
Kat Von D is owned by the same company that owns sephora and benefit who trade in China.
Too Faced and smashbox are owned by Estee Lauder.
No 7 and soap and glory are both owned by Boots who are owned by Walgreen's.

That's just the ones from your list I know off the top of my head.
If your version of cruelty free means no profits go to companies that trade in China then none of these are cruelty free.
If you mean literally the product you use are cruelty free every cosmetic in the EU is cruelty free by law.

My version of cruelty free - or how I choose to shop cruelty free - is by purchasing from brands that choose not to test any of their products or ingredients on animals and also choose to stay out of the Chinese market.

These brands were cruelty free before they were bought by bigger parent companies and still are.

That's just my take on it though - and I don't force my opinions or views on anyone at all and I'm happy with the brands I've decided to use.

My main bug is companies who choose so sell in China where animal testing is mandatory - but still claim to be cruelty free. Any BRAND - not their parent company - that does this I will not buy from.

njs030

Aeternum wrote: »

My version of cruelty free - or how I choose to shop cruelty free - is by purchasing from brands that choose not to test any of their products or ingredients on animals and also choose to stay out of the Chinese market.

These brands were cruelty free before they were bought by bigger parent companies and still are.
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Of course we can all make our own choices but the info you gave the op wasn't correct and I highlighted that as she was concerned that the body shop wasn't cruelty free so the same goes for the ones you mentioned.

Your money goes to a company that endorses animal testing in some of it's companies. If you're OK with that it's your choice but those companies aren't classed as cruelty free so shouldn't be recommend as such.

As I said all cosmetics in the EU are cruelty free so it's a bit of a strange distinction.

Dotty2

Eh, yes it is!!

Dotty2

NYX might be owned by L'Oreal but that has ZERO impact on the internal operations and manufacturing of a company. If they are cruelty free and have obtained the cruelty free bunny logo you may bet they are 100% cruelty free. You have no idea how hard it is to earn that logo.

People please stop tarring companies withe one brush, in fact the wrong brush. You need to look at a business internally before you can judge.

E.G. 82% of Clinique cosmetics are the EXACT same as Marks and Spenser's. How? Because they are made on the exact same process line, with the same ingrediants and then distributed into different packaging's to suit the different brands.

Parchment

If you are vehement about avoiding products tested on animals/animal cruelty it makes no sense to purchase from a company whos parent company tests on animals. It puts money in the pockets of the companies that do test.

njs030

Dotty2 wrote: »

NYX might be owned by L'Oreal but that has ZERO impact on the internal operations and manufacturing of a company. If they are cruelty free and have obtained the cruelty free bunny logo you may bet they are 100% cruelty free. You have no idea how hard it is to earn that logo.

So true.
Which is why NYX aren't on the leaping bunny cruelty free list.

Wafflepie

Kat Von D's makeup is Vegan, not tested on animals and is not sold in Mainland China, confirmed by the brand, is on the Peta cruelty free list.
Kat Von D is also an animal activist and even called out Katy Perry for using actual bunny on her clothing collection shoes which were made in China.

Lush is also cruelty free and have the bunny logo.

njs030

Wafflepie wrote: »

Kat Von D's makeup is Vegan, not tested on animals and is not sold in Mainland China, confirmed by the brand, is on the Peta cruelty free list.
Kat Von D is also an animal activist and even called out Katy Perry for using actual bunny on her clothing collection shoes which were made in China.

Lush is also cruelty free and have the bunny logo.

If you read the thread it's been said already KVD isnt independently owned, profits go towards animal testing.


There's multiple "bunny" lists- PETA's list (the cruelty free bunny) is criticized as they don't check any applications and often dont update the list unless told to do so by the company- basically if you say you're cruelty free they put you on the list.
They don't check suppliers and they don't care about parent companies or where the money ends up.
It's generally not known as a good resource for cruelty free products, the leaping bunny covers all three and more.

Lush is amazing we all know that

Dotty2

In that case, what products are left to buy?? L'Oreal, P&G, Estee Lauder etc... they own EVERYTHING! They are the main mothering companies globally. Just because the mother company tests on animals, it does not impact the companies under there umbrella.

Dotty2

Please stop focusing on the mother company because in that case NONE of these are vegan or vegetarian. Focus on the individual companies and their actions. They all operate for themselves with their own ethics, procedures etc. Companies put so much time, effort and money into their company's passions, so pay attention to these. Look things up and make your own judgement by educating yourself. Watch out for cruelty free campaigns that pop up and support them, it puts pressure on companies who do test on animals to do the right thing.

njs030

Dotty2 wrote: »

Please stop focusing on the mother company because in that case NONE of these are vegan or vegetarian. Focus on the individual companies and their actions. They all operate for themselves with their own ethics, procedures etc. Companies put so much time, effort and money into their company's passions, so pay attention to these. Look things up and make your own judgement by educating yourself. Watch out for cruelty free campaigns that pop up and support them, it puts pressure on companies who do test on animals to do the right thing.

Dotty, take some time to think about the bigger picture.
None of these companies are as ethical as they claim to be because all of them happily take money from a parent company who's funds come from animal testing.
Where do you think the money came from to buy KVD's company? Or nyx? The body shop?

Why haven't Lush sold out? I'm sure they'd like big advertising budgets, but maybe they don't want to give up their ethics in exchange.

Nothing changes while things stay the same-
If KVD suddenly loses sales do you think she will stay or they will want to keep her?
Of course not.
That's how things change, not by handing over your money the same as always and pretending somehow it makes a difference because you don't buy from her sister company - when the money ends up in the same place anyway.

Watch the cruelty free campaigns, then go and find out who paid for them, who gains from your support before you spend your money.
I'm guess you aren't aware a lot of the time cosmetic companies like EL pay for them....

Parchment

Dotty2 wrote: »

In that case, what products are left to buy?? L'Oreal, P&G, Estee Lauder etc... they own EVERYTHING! They are the main mothering companies globally. Just because the mother company tests on animals, it does not impact the companies under there umbrella.

Take your shopping online or to health food shops.

If you want to avoid animal cruelty you need to avoid most of the big names - thats the sacrifice you make i guess.

Dotty2

I 100% understand & respect your comments. Let me try an analogy here... a girl of 18 who's a vegan, but her parents aren't. Does that make her any less of a vegan because she lives with non-vegans and possibly hands up wages weekly to support a non-vegan family?

Parchment

Dotty2 wrote: »

I 100% understand & respect your comments. Let me try an analogy here... a girl of 18 who's a vegan, but her parents aren't. Does that make her any less of a vegan because she lives with non-vegans and possibly hands up wages weekly to support a non-vegan family?

This is nuts.

Lets say you were totally against sweat shops and buying clothes made in sweat shops. Would you go and buy an ethically made product - if it was made by Primark and sold inside their regular Penneys shops?

Of course not - the money goes to Penneys. You are supporting sweat shop labour.