projected 1 million passport applications in/during 2017

pangbang

I started a thread on this previously but it was shut down for false statistics and scaremongering. Even though I used the same numbers being reported on RTE right now. I made one mistake about the one number being from the UK.

Here is the link to the RTE website article.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0415/867929-passport-applications/
Here it is verbatim

"A surge in passport applications has continued with the number of those applying for Irish passports in the first three months of this year up 26% on the same period last year.
Figures from the Department of Foreign Affairs show that requests from Britain and Northern Ireland were up 68% in the first quarter.

The decision of the UK to leave the EU is thought to be a large factor in the increased demand for Irish passports.
Between January and March 2017, 51,000 applications were received from the UK, compared with 30,000 last year.

If the current surge continues, it is expected that applications will pass the one million mark in 2017.
The last thread was shut down with this statement from a moderator....
"It's 250,000 applications so far this year. Not 51,000. Yes, it's projected that there will be 1 million applications but only a fraction of that are people abroad i.e. the vast majority of that 1 million are Irish people living in Ireland renewing their passports. So where would the 'extra million people' come from? I'm not letting a thread run with such blatant misinformation. Try again without false statistics and scaremongering."

Surely theres nothing wrong with this thread, right? I missed the part about the applications being from the uk specifically the first time around admittedly.
So again....what do people think of this?

pangbang

And I don't know why my post has screwed up font! :P

Donal55

pangbang wrote: »

I started a thread on this previously but it was shut down for false statistics and scaremongering. Even though I used the same numbers being reported on RTE right now. I made one mistake about the one number being from the UK.

Here is the link to the RTE website article.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0415/867929-passport-applications/
Here it is verbatim

"A surge in passport applications has continued with the number of those applying for Irish passports in the first three months of this year up 26% on the same period last year.
Figures from the Department of Foreign Affairs show that requests from Britain and Northern Ireland were up 68% in the first quarter.

The decision of the UK to leave the EU is thought to be a large factor in the increased demand for Irish passports.
Between January and March 2017, 51,000 applications were received from the UK, compared with 30,000 last year.

If the current surge continues, it is expected that applications will pass the one million mark in 2017.
The last thread was shut down with this statement from a moderator....
"It's 250,000 applications so far this year. Not 51,000. Yes, it's projected that there will be 1 million applications but only a fraction of that are people abroad i.e. the vast majority of that 1 million are Irish people living in Ireland renewing their passports. So where would the 'extra million people' come from? I'm not letting a thread run with such blatant misinformation. Try again without false statistics and scaremongering."

Surely theres nothing wrong with this thread, right? I missed the part about the applications being from the uk specifically the first time around admittedly.
So again....what do people think of this?

Fake news.

pangbang

Donal55 wrote: »

Fake news.

Although it obviously doesn't include all information, care to explain what is actually "fake"?

Yourself isit

Since most of the passports are renewals your points are what's commonly called bollocks. In the parlance of the day.

Donal55

pangbang wrote: »

Although it obviously doesn't include all information, care to explain what is actually "fake"?

The fact that it obviously doesn't include all information.

Glenster

The only thing wrong with your thread is how boring it is.

pangbang

Yourself isit wrote: »

Since most of the passports are renewals your points are what's commonly called bollocks. In the parlance of the day.

That's the great thing about bollocks, its easy to prove. So why don't you prove to me that "most" passports are renewals?

That's how this dance goes, isn't it? Ask for proof of a number and then disappear?

Tom Mann Centuria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6LOWKVq5sQ

pangbang

Donal55 wrote: »

The fact that it obviously doesn't include all information.

Ah right, so your definition of fake is "not all there". Interesting take on that word!

It would make exams difficult, 100% scores or its all fake :P

dav3

1 million issued, not 1 million brand new applications. If anyone needs a passport this year, for whatever reason, you'll be counted in the 1 million.

pangbang

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6LOWKVq5sQ

Hey, its in the news and not projecting decades away....

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

1 million issued, not 1 million brand new applications. If anyone needs a passport this year, for whatever reason, you'll be counted in the 1 million.

I wouldn't be too surprised if that's a big part of it, sure. Can you prove it, I'd be interested.

Plus the reason it is in the news is because its NOT NORMAL...I guess!

dav3

pangbang wrote: »

I wouldn't be too surprised if that's a big part of it, sure. Can you prove it, I'd be interested.

Plus the reason it is in the news is because its NOT NORMAL...I guess!

https://www.dfa.ie/passporttracking/passportstatistics/

Knock yourself out

Collie D

Wouldn't go so far as to call it fake news but the stats are a little meaningless if they don't give renewal numbers.

Also do the figures include the new passport card? I last renewed my passport in 2010 and it's valid until 2020 but applied for a card last year which has a completely different number. Is that application included in the 2016 figures?

pangbang

Glenster wrote: »

The only thing wrong with your thread is how boring it is.

Well you cant be too interesting with these subjects, hence why the last one was shut down.

Let me make it a bit more interesting then. If there is a significant increase in passport applications, that infers that a lot of people at least have the intention of moving here.

So, considering how much of a damp squib the economy is, and the housing crisis.......how do you think we would cope with a potentially large increase in people moving here?

Glenster

pangbang wrote: »

Well you cant be too interesting with these subjects, hence why the last one was shut down.

Let me make it a bit more interesting then. If there is a significant increase in passport applications, that infers that a lot of people at least have the intention of moving here.

So, considering how much of a damp squib the economy is, and the housing crisis.......how do you think we would cope with a potentially large increase in people moving here?

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Tom Mann Centuria

It's more likely 2nd generation Irish in the UK are hoping to (or have the option in the future to) work in the broader EU, and want an EU member passport.

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

https://www.dfa.ie/passporttracking/passportstatistics/

Knock yourself out

Those statistics are out of date, and barely anything at all on actual applications. So maybe you can back up the claim that most applications are simply renewals, like I asked originally

pangbang

Glenster wrote: »

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Sorry, like I said, theres only so interesting youre allowed to be with these topics.

Really Interested

pangbang wrote: »

Well you cant be too interesting with these subjects, hence why the last one was shut down.

Let me make it a bit more interesting then. If there is a significant increase in passport applications, that infers that a lot of people at least have the intention of moving here.

So, considering how much of a damp squib the economy is, and the housing crisis.......how do you think we would cope with a potentially large increase in people moving here?

Most U.K. Nationals are not intending moving here, an Irish Passport gives them foot in EU and UK passport gives them Brexit. So Mr Murphy from London maintains all his EU rights post Brexit. In fact if a person in U.K. Is entitled to a Irish passport he does not need to apply for it to move here he can just jump on a plane with his UK passport and move as a Irish citizen he has every right to live here wit or without Irish passport.

dav3

pangbang wrote: »

Well you cant be too interesting with these subjects, hence why the last one was shut down.

Let me make it a bit more interesting then. If there is a significant increase in passport applications, that infers that a lot of people at least have the intention of moving here.

So, considering how much of a damp squib the economy is, and the housing crisis.......how do you think we would cope with a potentially large increase in people moving here?

An increase from Northern Ireland and UK offices due to people wanting an EU passport allowing them free travel within the EU when brexit kicks in. Combined with our population growth = around 1 million passports issued this year.

Yourself isit

pangbang wrote: »

I wouldn't be too surprised if that's a big part of it, sure. Can you prove it, I'd be interested.

Plus the reason it is in the news is because its NOT NORMAL...I guess!

Do you think nobody is going to renew their passports this year?

pangbang

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

It's more likely 2nd generation Irish in the UK are hoping to (or have the option in the future to) work in the broader EU and want an EU member passport.

Qualitatively I'd agree. But if they cant be in the UK, then surely theyd come here, right? So what kind of capacity of extra people do you think we can absorb, considering there are already thousands living on the streets?

dav3

pangbang wrote: »

Those statistics are out of date, and barely anything at all on actual applications. So maybe you can back up the claim that most applications are simply renewals, like I asked originally

What do you mean they're out of date? All the information you need is in that link if you have the ability to comprehend it.

pangbang

Yourself isit wrote: »

Do you think nobody is going to renew their passports this year?

I'm SOMEWHAT being facetious, Ive been on the receiving end of the "PROVE IT OR GTFO!" dance, no matter how obvious something might be.

Simply putting the shoe on the other foot.

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

What do you mean they're out of date? All the information you need is in that link if you have the ability to comprehend it.

No bother, man. You can easily pull those numbers then. The numbers that aren't there.

This is a great way to prove I'm an eejit....you cant pass it up!

Really Interested

pangbang wrote: »

Qualitatively I'd agree. But if they cant be in the UK, then surely theyd come here, right? So what kind of capacity of extra people do you think we can absorb, considering there are already thousands living on the streets?

Why would they need an Irish passport to come here they are an Irish citizen they can just come? They want the Irish passport so they can after Brexit maintain EU free movement.

An example UK Irish dual citizen who spends winter in Spain every year post Brexit they may need visa and medical E111, as Irish citizen with passport they just use that passport to enter Spain for the winter.

dav3

pangbang wrote: »

No bother, man. You can easily pull those numbers then. The numbers that aren't there.

This is a great way to prove I'm an eejit....you cant pass it up!

What numbers? You're talking about potentially 1 million passports issued this year.

It's only April, are you asking me to travel into the future to see what the figure will be?

Peregrine

pangbang wrote: »

No bother, man. You can easily pull those numbers then. The numbers that aren't there.

This is a great way to prove I'm an eejit....you cant pass it up!

FFS, read the damn page. It tells you the total number of applications and how many of that was issued outside Ireland in the previous four years.

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

An increase from Northern Ireland and UK offices due to people wanting an EU passport allowing them free travel within the EU when brexit kicks in. Combined with our population growth = around 1 million passports issued this year.

Did you get the numbers that I cant comprehend off the link you provided yet?

Brexit = not in the EU. Hence those people have to move within the EU. Do you dispute that most of them WONT move to Ireland?

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

What numbers? You're talking about potentially 1 million passports issued this year.

It's only April, are you asking me to travel into the future to see what the figure will be?

No, mr. slippery, I'm talking about the numbers that you stated were THERE, on the link YOU provided. That I apparently CANT comprehend

Cant own that you made a balls of it?

pangbang

Peregrine wrote: »

FFS, read the damn page. It tells you the total number of applications and how many of that was issued outside Ireland in the previous four years.

I don't think so. But again, here is a great opportunity for you to prove that I'm an eejit. Surely you cant pass it up, the same way the other guy is trying to slip out of it?

Really Interested

pangbang wrote: »

Did you get the numbers that I cant comprehend off the link you provided yet?

Brexit = not in the EU. Hence those people have to move within the EU. Do you dispute that most of them WONT move to Ireland?

Jesus. They are dual national UK and Irish. It's really not hard to understand. A person born of an Irish parent in England is both Irish and U.K. National, a person born in NI is both UK and Irish. Many dual nationals in both Ireland and U.K. Only bothered to get one passport as no difference and the extra cost not worth it. Now it's worth having 2 passports.

Really Interested

pangbang wrote: »

I don't think so. But again, here is a great opportunity for you to prove that I'm an eejit. Surely you cant pass it up, the same way the other guy is trying to slip out of it?

What is your problem with Irish citizens applying for an Irish passport. Remember an Irish citizen does not need an Irish passport to move to and reside in Ireland in fact it's a lot cheaper just to get a stamp 6 placed in their other passport. So why would a person who has the right to both a U.K. Passport and Irish passport get both, when neither is required to live and reside in Ireland or the UK. Think it through.

pangbang

Really Interested wrote: »

Jesus. They are dual national UK and Irish. It's really not hard to understand. A person born of an Irish parent in England is both Irish and U.K. National, a person born in NI is both UK and Irish. Many dual nationals in both Ireland and U.K. Only bothered to get one passport as no difference and the extra cost not worth it. Now it's worth having 2 passports.

Look, I'm not picking a fight with you at all. Its the other two claiming stuff out of their hole.

I can agree with you qualitatively. But I still say the same thing....why are these people applying for passports unless theres at least SOME intention to move here?

If they aren't moving here, no need for a passport.

dav3

pangbang wrote: »

No, mr. slippery, I'm talking about the numbers that you stated were THERE, on the link YOU provided. That I apparently CANT comprehend

Cant own that you made a balls of it?

Have you looked at the link? It's not that difficult to understand.

The newspapers and media were wrong to mention 1 million applications, they should have said 1 million issued (some actually did), they obviously didn't think some people would be so monumentally stupid to think they were talking about new applications.

uch

I think anyone with a grandparent born during british Rule here should apply for a british passport just to get our own back, my granda was born a british citizen even though he fought against the brits in the war of independence, but wouldn't it be typical Irish to just beat them at their own game

pangbang

Really Interested wrote: »

What is your problem with Irish citizens applying for an Irish passport. Remember an Irish citizen does not need an Irish passport to move to and reside in Ireland in fact it's a lot cheaper just to get a stamp 6 placed in their other passport. So why would a person who has the right to both a U.K. Passport and Irish passport get both, when neither is required to live and reside in Ireland or the UK. Think it through.

Well its a catch 22 really....I don't have a problem with irish people applying for passports. I do have a problem with immigration, considering the "fragile" state of the country (and that's optimistic). In a country with insufficient housing, you can have immigrants, or returning Irish. But both? Where do they go?

Really Interested

pangbang wrote: »

Look, I'm not picking a fight with you at all. Its the other two claiming stuff out of their hole.

I can agree with you qualitatively. But I still say the same thing....why are these people applying for passports unless theres at least SOME intention to move here?

If they aren't moving here, no need for a passport.

Because they don't need to apply for an Irish passport to move here they have every right to move here as it is. You are misunderstanding citizenship and having a passport.

An Irish Citizen who also has a US passport does not need a Irish Passort to move back to Ireland he just moves if he wants too he can apply for his Irish passport he can just get a stamp 6 in his USA passport or he can not get an Irish passport as you as an Irish citizen do not need a Irish passport to live and reside in Ireland.

pangbang

dav3 wrote: »

Have you looked at the link? It's not that difficult to understand.

The newspapers and media were wrong to mention 1 million applications, they should have said 1 million issued (some actually did), they obviously didn't think some people would be so monumentally stupid to think they were talking about new applications.

Holy ****....youre something else. Just disappear and say nothing. Better than saying "its all there! Its all there! No seriously its all there!.....I'll keep repeating this without actually looking to see that they ARENT there!"

Go home and be a family man :P

Donal55

pangbang wrote: »

Well its a catch 22 really....I don't have a problem with irish people applying for passports. I do have a problem with immigration, considering the "fragile" state of the country (and that's optimistic). In a country with insufficient housing, you can have immigrants, or returning Irish. But both? Where do they go?

What has immigration got to do with Irish citizens renewing their passports?

Glenster

Really Interested

pangbang wrote: »

Well its a catch 22 really....I don't have a problem with irish people applying for passports. I do have a problem with immigration, considering the "fragile" state of the country (and that's optimistic). In a country with insufficient housing, you can have immigrants, or returning Irish. But both? Where do they go?

But getting a Irish passport is not required for a Irish citizen to live in Ireland. If you can't tell the difference there is no helping you.

Peregrine

You're asking for evidence for things that can be deduced from your own link. When given another link, you say it's not there. You're just trolling.