Lidl & Aldi battery drill

GY A1

Aldi battery drill 18v €40
Next Thursday

https://www.aldi.ie/c/specialbuys/dates/2017-04-20?q=%3Apopular&page=1

Lidl battery drill 20v €60

http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=54159

Only 1 battery with each drill tho.
Although Lidl have option on same day to buy spare battery and charger for €35

Downside with Aldi one is No spare battery

Both 3 year guaranteed

aidannulty

Both of these drills are total ****e. I bought the Lidl one a few years ago. I had it about 2 months and it wouldn't charge. Lidl collected it but told me it was a battery problem but batteries not covered by warranty. They wouldn't even post drill back to me unless I paid 30e postage I think it was. I didn't agree to that and let them keep it. I haven't bought an electrical item thelre since. Last year I bought the one aldi. Every time I went to use it the battery was dead, even though it did charge. Ud be best of spending about 100e and get a dewalt or makita drill in b&q. They are excellent.

drunkmonkey

You'll get a DeWalt in b&q for about €100, http://www.diy.com/departments/dewalt-cordless-18v-13ah-li-ion-combi-drill-1-battery-dcd776c1-gb/765799_BQ.prd

cfeeneyinterior

aidannulty wrote: »

Both of these drills are total ****e. I bought the Lidl one a few years ago. I had it about 2 months and it wouldn't charge. Lidl collected it but told me it was a battery problem but batteries not covered by warranty. They wouldn't even post drill back to me unless I paid 30e postage I think it was. I didn't agree to that and let them keep it. I haven't bought an electrical item thelre since. Last year I bought the one aldi. Every time I went to use it the battery was dead, even though it did charge. Ud be best of spending about 100e and get a dewalt or makita drill in b&q. They are excellent.

100% agree. Waste of money. You'll get years out of a dewalt for odd jobs

Waesfjord

try thi drill, 2 batteries, decent brand. £90 / €112 (irish site)

http://www.ie.screwfix.com/hitachi-dv18dgl-jg-18v-2-5ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill.html

Also get a free torch (UK site only), so will need to use Parcel motel.

Briain O Loinsigh

The aldi work zone titanium brand is very good. They're an all red colour power tool.

I have a saw and drill set and it's manufactured in Germany.

Wouldn't bother with the green stuff though ,10 a penny rubbish.

G rock

Just as a matter of interest, what sort of min spec should I look out for for light home diy jobs. Specifically, and sorry for the dumb question, but what difference between two drills with the same voltage (18v) but different amp ratings (say 1.3 vs 5 or whatever)

colm_mcm

The amp hour rating gives you an indication of the capacity of the battery.
I would def look for one with a 2 speed gearbox too, as the increased torque and lower speed of the low gear makes screwdriving and drilling big holes easier.
A half inch chuck as opposed to 10mm is desirable too. It's not a deal breaker but often alludes to the drill being a bit heavier duty.

Briain O Loinsigh

G rock wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, what sort of min spec should I look out for for light home diy jobs. Specifically, and sorry for the dumb question, but what difference between two drills with the same voltage (18v) but different amp ratings (say 1.3 vs 5 or whatever)

Amps are the most important for torque. Voltage is secondary.
2ah would be minimum required for a hammer action.
I've a small Bosch drill ,18v 2ah and it will drill masonry , just about.
You need torque for pressing against surface.

I've also a small 10.8v 1.3ah screw gun , the torque can be surprising on it for low voltage.

Don't worry too much about volts basically, amps are always better.

Zimmerframe

Battery amps have nothing to do with the torque.

A 4 amp battery lasts twice as long as a 2 amp battery, simple as that.
If you buy e.g. a Bosch 18v drill, and have a 4 amp battery or a 1.5 amp battery, you will not notice the difference other than run time and weight.

This is pretty decent for the price.

http://www.woodies.ie/bosch-18v-li-ion-pro-combi-drill-plus-1123930

witnessmenow

Briain O Loinsigh wrote: »

Amps are the most important for torque. Voltage is secondary.
2ah would be minimum required for a hammer action.
I've a small Bosch drill ,18v 2ah and it will drill masonry , just about.
You need torque for pressing against surface.

I've also a small 10.8v 1.3ah screw gun , the torque can be surprising on it for low voltage.

Don't worry too much about volts basically, amps are always better.

Zimmerframe wrote: »

Battery amps have nothing to do with the torque.

A 4 amp battery lasts twice as long as a 2 amp battery, simple as that.
If you buy e.g. a Bosch 18v drill, and have a 4 amp battery or a 1.5 amp battery, you will not notice the difference other than run time and weight.

This is pretty decent for the price.

http://www.woodies.ie/bosch-18v-li-ion-pro-combi-drill-plus-1123930

Ye both are wrong kinda

Briain is using "ah" as the amps that a drill is using and zimmer is using amps as the capacity of battery. Neither of you are using them right.

Amp hour (Ah, although normally Milli Amp Hour, MAh) measures capacity of a battery. Amps is the amount of current something is using and is directly related to how much power it is using.

Voltage is not secondary to Amps in the amount of power anything has, they are equal (the equation is power = voltage by current)

TheDriver

On a side note, I needed a drill last year for odd bit of diy such as hanging pics etc, used once a month. Bought a wired Argos value drill with hammer action for 16 euro and a great drill for what I needed. You don't need to spend much if its for light diy use

Zimmerframe

witnessmenow wrote: »

Ye both are wrong kinda

Briain is using "ah" as the amps that a drill is using and zimmer is using amps as the capacity of battery. Neither of you are using them right.

Amp hour (Ah, although normally Milli Amp Hour, MAh) measures capacity of a battery. Amps is the amount of current something is using and is directly related to how much power it is using.

Voltage is not secondary to Amps in the amount of power anything has, they are equal (the equation is power = voltage by current)

No:

1. I am not "kinda wrong". The person who asked the question simply asked "what difference between two drills with the same voltage (18v) but different amp ratings (say 1.3 vs 5 or whatever)".
He is clearly talking about the ampere hour rating of the battery, but he didn't mention ah so neither did I. I replied that there is no difference other than a 4 amp battery lasts twice as long as a 2 amp battery. This is correct information, and I used the same terminology as he did.

2. In fact, you are "kinda wrong", battery power in this instance is never measured in milliamps, it's clearly written on each drill battery, that it is aH.

3. Brian is not talking about, about the drill amperage, because he clearly doesn't know what current the drill takes and besides he mentioned ah when referring to the drill. He is talking about batteries, and with respect his post is not "kinda wrong", almost everything about it is totally wrong.


e.g.

Here Bosch state the torque of the drill, even though they are selling it as "tool only". The user can put a 1.5 ah battery or a 6 ah battery in it, makes no difference other than run time and weight as I stated..

https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/boschtools-ocs/18v-lithium-ion-cordless-drill-drivers-ddb180-132540-p/

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SachaJ

I picked up that Bosch in Woodies yesterday as some scumbag nicked my Makitas. Have to say it feels lovely in the hand and very well balanced. I'd prefer it to my Makitas now tbh.

Some come with four bit sets. Bosch X Pro sets and usually about a tenner each. Look out for the hard cases with a yellow sticker advertising the bits on one corner. I got the last set in my local store with the bit sets. All new sets that came into stock during the week didn't have the bits.

But I can't fault the set. Hardcase, charger, drill and two 2Ah batteries. Especially as it's a Bosch Blue range (GSB 18-2-Li Plus). Same set is €162 on Screwfix.

They also have a very similar DeWalt set in there with the DCD785 drill I think. Very slightly lower torque specs and the two batteries are 1.5Ah. Again €149. I preferred the feeling of the Bosch and wanted to try the Blue range after hearing good things about them.

Briain O Loinsigh

Zimmerframe wrote: »

Here Bosch state the torque of the drill, even though they are selling it as "tool only". The user can put a 1.5 ah battery or a 6 ah battery in it, makes no difference other than run time and weight as I stated..

https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/boschtools-ocs/18v-lithium-ion-cordless-drill-drivers-ddb180-132540-p/

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This isn't football , it's the internet .

I tried to be as simple with my experience of power tools , because we're talking about lower end stuff.

I have many power tools ,angle grinders ,hilti demolition and woodworking tools. I can tell you ah on batteries do make a difference when you use the tools, tools will draw more power when under load , they have protection for over heating.

Some tools won't even work with a lower amp battery.

Jobs OXO

GY A1 wrote: »

Aldi battery drill 18v €40
Next Thursday

https://www.aldi.ie/c/specialbuys/dates/2017-04-20?q=%3Apopular&page=1

Lidl battery drill 20v €60

http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=54159

Only 1 battery with each drill tho.
Although Lidl have option on same day to buy spare battery and charger for €35

Downside with Aldi one is No spare battery

Both 3 year guaranteed

Nice !

SachaJ

Briain O Loinsigh wrote: »

This isn't football , it's the internet .

I tried to be as simple with my experience of power tools , because we're talking about lower end stuff.

I have many power tools ,angle grinders ,hilti demolition and woodworking tools. I can tell you ah on batteries do make a difference when you use the tools, tools will draw more power when under load , they have protection for over heating.

Some tools won't even work with a lower amp battery.

Never knew that, thanks. I guess it makes sense - you couldn't start a car with 8+ AA batteries. Needs a proper car battery.

sunny2004

I have to say I have learned a lot about power for drills..

I think

Bazzy

TheDriver wrote: »

On a side note, I needed a drill last year for odd bit of diy such as hanging pics etc, used once a month. Bought a wired Argos value drill with hammer action for 16 euro and a great drill for what I needed. You don't need to spend much if its for light diy use

And you have to plug it in like some sort of luddite only joking the wired ones are definitely the best even a cheaper one will last a good long time provided you dont drive the life out of it

Zimmerframe

I am glad you have loads of tools and appreciate your real world experience, but so have I, and it's irrelevant and doesn't take away from the fact that your statements are plain and simple wrong.

Briain O Loinsigh wrote: »

Amps are the most important for torque. Voltage is secondary.

Not correct

Briain O Loinsigh wrote: »

2ah would be minimum required for a hammer action.

Not correct

Briain O Loinsigh wrote: »

Don't worry too much about volts basically, amps are always better.

Not correct



If you read Ohms law, you will understand that none of these could ever be true.



These two quotes in bold are direct from the website of the one of the biggest cordless drill manufacturers (DeWalt).

re. Voltage

Tasks that use more torque need batteries with a higher voltage to complete the toughest jobs.

re. aH

For example, consider a cordless grinder that runs on 20V batteries. It runs on the same voltage batteries regardless of whether that battery advertises 3AH or 5AH, but a 20V battery with 5AH will allow you to use the cordless tool for significantly longer before it runs out of juice.

I repeat to the original question.

If you buy a drill like this:

https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/boschtools-ocs/18v-lithium-ion-cordless-drill-drivers-ddb180-132540-p/

It will come with 2Ah batteries.

If you buy an additional 6 ah battery, it will make absolutely NO difference whatsoever to the torque of the drill or any other usability of the drill, apart from the fact that it will weigh heavier and last approx 3 times longer before it needs recharging.

drunkmonkey

Anyone got 2cent on the saw http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=54166 or would you be way better off with something like this seems like a good price but wouldn't mind the versatility of a cordless Bosch GKS 190 Professional Hand-Held Circular Saw, 1400 W https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002X68KAQ/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_RR-8ybD1BT0PX
Only really sterling/euro exchange between them price wise..

TheDriver

Bazzy wrote: »

And you have to plug it in like some sort of luddite only joking the wired ones are definitely the best even a cheaper one will last a good long time provided you dont drive the life out of it

You're right, surprised how its still going strong. Great yoke for occasional hanging photos especially into masonry with hammer action.

Zimmerframe

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Anyone got 2cent on the saw http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=54166 or would you be way better off with something like this seems like a good price but wouldn't mind the versatility of a cordless Bosch GKS 190 Professional Hand-Held Circular Saw, 1400 W https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002X68KAQ/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_RR-8ybD1BT0PX
Only really sterling/euro exchange between them price wise..

Hi m8,
You realise the Amazon link you posted is for a "wired" not a cordless circular saw.
Bosch (blue) cordless are not in that price range.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Power-Saws/Bosch-Professional-Cordless-Circular-Lithium-CoolPack-Batteries/B00BPUJ1IQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1492383395&sr=1-4&keywords=Bosch+18v+cordless+circular+saw

colm_mcm

No point getting a cordless circular saw unless you're spending massive money.

Zimmerframe

colm_mcm wrote: »

No point getting a cordless circular saw unless you're spending massive money.

agreed, and even then ?

I have the 18v Bosch circular saw, and its handy for a "non carpenter" to do a few little jobs, but for any real work, it's of little use.

dodzy

Zimmerframe wrote: »

Hi m8,
You realise the Amazon link you posted is for a "wired" not a cordless circular saw.
Bosch (blue) cordless are not in that price range.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Power-Saws/Bosch-Professional-Cordless-Circular-Lithium-CoolPack-Batteries/B00BPUJ1IQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1492383395&sr=1-4&keywords=Bosch+18v+cordless+circular+saw

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeWalt-165mm-Lithium-Ion-Body-Circular/dp/B006XBSXAE/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=VHFHYN7K7NM110ADY51R

Cheap, if you happen to have a couple of 5.0ah batteries and charger lying around

evolving_doors

Just getting back to the op....
Spend 100 and get the DeWalt... for lower end it's grandone and served me well for past 9 years.
Plenty of hammer action being used on poured concrete walls. Although leave it rest a bit between heavy uses.
Although last year I replaced the bushes (bout 10 quid on ebay)..
Keep the receipt in the case though just in case.

But a ya a wired one will always perform better ... but the hassle of extension Leeds and plugging in and out... 1st world problems.

evolving_doors

aidannulty wrote: »

Both of these drills are total ****e. I bought the Lidl one a few years ago. I had it about 2 months and it wouldn't charge. Lidl collected it but told me it was a battery problem but batteries not covered by warranty. They wouldn't even post drill back to me unless I paid 30e postage I think it was. I didn't agree to that and let them keep it. I haven't bought an electrical item thelre since. Last year I bought the one aldi. Every time I went to use it the battery was dead, even though it did charge. Ud be best of spending about 100e and get a dewalt or makita drill in b&q. They are excellent.

I think that was your mistake, once you need to engage with collection, emails and phoning then you've lost. I had the same scenario with some weird third party collection group and a dodgy breadmaker.
Best option is to walk in with the receipt and packaging (at a busy time :pac:) and hand it to the checkout guy . I've done this a few times with electronics etc. and there's never any quibble.

enviro

Lidl accept store returns for 60 days from the date of purchase. After 60 days it is dealt with through their customer service hotline as the product is covered by the 3 year manufacturer warranty at that point.

b.gud

dodzy wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeWalt-165mm-Lithium-Ion-Body-Circular/dp/B006XBSXAE/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=VHFHYN7K7NM110ADY51R

Cheap, if you happen to have a couple of 5.0ah batteries and charger lying around

I've actually got a spare battery so I'm planning on getting one of these in a few months. I found that you can buy it on ebay for £12 less than Amazon

Edit. Oh and for anyone wondering if it might be a dodgy seller on Ebay it's actually the exact same seller and both have free postage, assuming you get it delivered to PM or PW

Pherekydes

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You'll get a DeWalt in b&q for about €100, http://www.diy.com/departments/dewalt-cordless-18v-13ah-li-ion-combi-drill-1-battery-dcd776c1-gb/765799_BQ.prd

I was thinking of buying in Lidl or Aldi until I read this thread. Ended up buying the DeWalt and the screwdriver bit set shown in the above link for €90.