Jonathan Sugarman. National hero.

CoolHandBandit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74v-rWOa00o

Really not surprised MSM in Ireland is more or less ignoring this man's words. As we all know official Ireland wants to keep the status quo going so they can continue to live in the lap of luxury they have become accustomed to. It's hard not to be angry when you look at the attempts to destroy the lives of good honest folk who have come forward to point out scandals and injustice in this country.

Our state "public service" broadcaster not even mentioning this in their news broadcast at 9pm tells me all i need to know about where their interests lie and who they are beholden to.

Whistle blowers deserve to be treated as hero's and not destroyed by the cosy cartel of bankers, politicians and media.

Wheeliebin30

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74v-rWOa00o

Really not surprised MSM in Ireland is more or less ignoring this man's words. As we all know official Ireland wants to keep the status quo going so they can continue to live in the lap of luxury they have become accustomed to. It's hard not to be angry when you look at the attempts to destroy the lives of good honest folk who have come forward to point out scandals and injustice in this country.

Our state "public service" broadcaster not even mentioning this in their news broadcast at 9pm tells me all i need to know about where their interests lie and who they are beholden to.

Whistle blowers deserve to be treated as hero's and not destroyed by the cosy cartel of bankers, politicians and media.

But rte primetime has done numerous programmes exposing corruption, homelessness, garda whistle-blower scandal etc etc.

It hardly tries to brush this stuff under the carpet.

Alf Stewart.

Not much more needed to be said tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74v-rWOa00o

Are Am Eye

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But rte primetime has done numerous programmes exposing corruption, homelessness, garda whistle-blower scandal etc etc.

It hardly tries to brush this stuff under the carpet.

Rte has pulled prime times on direction of the govt. Allegations that were too hot to handle. State controlled TV.

Arghus

I read about this on RTE news.

myshirt

He's on the ball in the clip there.

The organs of this state are rightly corrupt right to the core, make no mistake about it. Huge, huge cultural issues in our public service and that's where it all stems from and comes back to; yes a few sinister people, but moreso it is a cultural issue more than anything, a paw out entitlement attitude. Gards, teachers, the lot of them. Jobs for your friends, cousins, daughters, friend's daughters. It permeates our culture.

We absolutely and unequivocally have to have the balls to put an end to these scumbags. Take the teachers for example, they have ruined it for younger members who either can't get a job or have insecure employment, and at lower rates. When faced with practical and viable plans that pushed for sensibility in their pay, a wake up call, a reality check, and importantly a focus on giving young teachers a fair chance (strategically, that's important), they chose push for a deal to save their own bacon, hit younger workers, and ultimately like their other scumbag union friends chose to lump unto this economy a whole cohort of young people deprived of work during their formative working years. They then come out with this sickening narrative of 'pay restoration' and 'pay parity'. Yes you should be paid the same, but paid the same by means of cutting your pay to the lower rate guys, not increasing the lower rate to what you're on. If anything, you teachers should do the decent thing and have the bulk of pay directed towards younger teachers, and take a hit to your current pay to clawback all the excess pay you got for too long.

I hate being so cynical, but it gets my goat to see political parties pandering to this with a newfound concern and purported interest in principles of fairness, transparency, and accountability. They have no interest. It's party above doing what's right and what needs to be done. This country very well could have been restructured to be more equitable, fair, transparent, and accountable. Don't let a good crisis go to waste and all that. But we couldn't pull it off. Weak governments taken for a ride. It's not easy to address needed cultural change, I accept that, but let's collectively have the balls to do it and sort these f#ckers out once and for all.

emo72

Started a thread on this in politics cafe. Thinking that boards would be "on fire" about this. Nope. Hardly any interest. It's up to each and every one of us to keep this subject alive. Do not let this thread die, after hours is probably the best place for it. You will get per ricks saying " oh no, we are placed 18th out of 200 in corruption tables, so we are not that bad". Don't listen to that ****e. Probably central Bank employees posting that ****e. Watch out for the T.R.O.l

Junkyard Tom

myshirt wrote: »

The organs of this state are rightly corrupt right to the core, make no mistake about it.

If our institutions were corrupt to the core we wouldn't be hearing about the corruption. I'm not saying that we're a shining example of institutional integrity but I don't think we're especially corrupt.

Nabber

Are Garda informants also whistle blowers?

tails_naf

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Not much more needed to be said tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74v-rWOa00o

Im curious as to what he had to redact. Just goes to show the levels of cover up. Fair play to him for doing and continuing to do this.

Beyondgone

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If our institutions were corrupt to the core we wouldn't be hearing about the corruption. I'm not saying that we're a shining example of institutional integrity but I don't think we're especially corrupt.

Bless.

emo72

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If our institutions were corrupt to the core we wouldn't be hearing about the corruption. I'm not saying that we're a shining example of institutional integrity but I don't think we're especially corrupt.

Massively corrupt. That's how I would describe it.

tomwaterford

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If our institutions were corrupt to the core we wouldn't be hearing about the corruption. I'm not saying that we're a shining example of institutional integrity but I don't think we're especially corrupt.

A basic understanding of the running of any county councils/govt agencies,even down to your local CE schemes are corrupt and openly agklowed as so
......so long as everyone/someone their friends with gets a bit of the money,a blindish eye is turned to it.




A long long time ago under TAMS (a farm grant scheme)...my father was advised to join the local FF (which he wouldn't do) to improve his chances of getting something out of it....even those these are decided centrally

Junkyard Tom

tomwaterford wrote: »

A basic understanding of the running of any county councils/govt agencies,even down to your local CE schemes are corrupt and openly agklowed as so

I'm not suggesting there isn't corruption - corruption is an aspect of human behaviour. I'm claiming that institutional corruption, nepotism, parochialism, clientelism, and so on, aren't especially an Irish problem.

hytrogen

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

But rte primetime has done numerous programmes exposing corruption, homelessness, garda whistle-blower scandal etc etc.

Love/Hate wasn't a documentary btw.. :P

hytrogen

emo72 wrote:

Started a thread on this in politics cafe. Thinking that boards would be "on fire" about this. Nope. Hardly any interest. It's up to each and every one of us to keep this subject alive. Do not let this thread die, after hours is probably the best place for it. You will get per ricks saying " oh no, we are placed 18th out of 200 in corruption tables, so we are not that bad". Don't listen to that ****e. Probably central Bank employees posting that ****e. Watch out for the T.R.O.l

Their bonuses are based on those tables, the higher we go the more they rake, same in Europe and the EU, it's a race to the championship finals... and yes that was a soccer pun too

ChikiChiki

But but but.... ye dont know how good we have it. One of the greatest countries in the world to live. Be greatful you pack of whingers that you were not born in Zimbabwe. Look at the recovery folks, we are booming........

Kindly **** off to those people. Its a sad state of affairs how whistleblowers are treated and that the public tolerate it. Ireland could be so much better if the high ranking civil servants club were taken to task.

tomwaterford

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm not suggesting there isn't corruption - corruption is an aspect of human behaviour. I'm claiming that institutional corruption, nepotism, parochialism, clientelism, and so on, aren't especially an Irish problem.

Just because it happens elaewhere in the world deos not excuse it/make it ok to happen in Ireland??

Corruption of any sort is wrong...pointing the finger at everywhere else but the problem wil never sort it

Ferrari3600

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If our institutions were corrupt to the core we wouldn't be hearing about the corruption. I'm not saying that we're a shining example of institutional integrity but I don't think we're especially corrupt.

^ This post basically the exemplifies the soft bigotry of low expectations.

"Ah shur, we're not perfect, but we're not as bad as dem uns over dere. See - look over dere, dem uns are worser" - all that s.hite.

There's a reason why Ireland goes through periodic systemic economic crises, and that those responsible largely escape scot-free, while those not to blame end up being on low wage jobs, falling into depression, emigrating, or worse. Simple as.

Wheeliebin30

Shane ross stood firm and didn't pander to the unions in the latest row.

What do we have? Opposition parties calling him a disgrace rabble rabble.

When you try to do what's needed you get lambasted in the media and the Dail.

Citizens aren't much difference.

Our compo culture, welfare fraud, robbing, thieving. Scamming, tax evasion the list goes on

CoolHandBandit

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Shane ross stood firm and didn't pander to the unions in the latest row.

What do we have? Opposition parties calling him a disgrace rabble rabble.

When you try to do what's needed you get lambasted in the media and the Dail.

Citizens aren't much difference.

Our compo culture, welfare fraud, robbing, thieving. Scamming, tax evasion the list goes on

Monkey see, monkey do. Our political class and national leaders should be an example and moral compass for us all. As it is they are anything but.

I see RTE have this on their website now but not a dickie bird yesterday evening.

Wheeliebin30

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Monkey see, monkey do. Our political class and national leaders should be an example and moral compass for us all. As it is they are anything but.

I see RTE have this on their website now but not a dickie bird yesterday evening.

People are responsible for their own actions.

Your Face

Its all talk though.

Noddyholder

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Not much more needed to be said tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74v-rWOa00o

This should be made a stickie

CoolHandBandit

Official Ireland, rounding the wagons to protect their own since the foundation of the state.

Hercule Poirot

Forms of corruption exist in all organisations, that is something we cannot change because there will always be people who will try to buck the system in their favour - what we can control/change is how we treat those who are caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar because at the moment we are a laughing stock with how quickly those who are are caught red handed are swaddled and protected while the brave (and it is especially brave in this country where corruption is so rife) people who take a stand are pilloried and publicly crucified for simply stating a wrong that they have seen and bringing it to the nations attention.

hytrogen

Your Face wrote:

Its all talk though.

Why? Cuz the hand ain't listening?

Alf Stewart.

Only in Ireland would a (probably) highly paid public servant make the clerical error of accidentally cutting a specific piece of text, containing allegations of the most vile and disgusting allegations you could imagine, which made reference to "digitally penetrating" a young girl, and then accidentally pasting the same disgusting and vile allegations into a Garda whistleblowers file.

Of all the random disgusting allegations on file, they just happened to accidentally cut it from that one, and of all the random other files, they just happened to accidentally paste it into that one.

Of all the rotten luck, eh?

Next up, the dog ate my minutes of w NAMA meeting

Your Face

hytrogen wrote: »

Why? Cuz the hand ain't listening?

The hands aren't doing anything.

biko

One man's whistle-blower is another man's traitor.

myshirt

I actually feel for this guy personally also. A chap that I knew through a friend started a new job in 2007 with a bank here, and in an effort to weed out problems and issues really took the initiative in his job (he worked in compliance) just like this guy.

The CFO of the arm of the bank, financial controller, and other senior management must have known they had been rightly found out and caught by the balls, because they made this chap's life hell. But he was right, and was seeking to address issues and really drive improvements. Good natured. Good at his job. But not very tactful or smart in the political sense was he, he never seen Game of Thrones or House of Cards I suppose.

They under-resourced him, overworked him, bullied him, isolated him, grilled him, intimidated him, blamed him for it, even ate his sandwiches on a regular basis, the whole lot. It near on ruined the guys marriage, he lost weight, became overwhelmed, and was a right wreck. He kept it to himself, tried to work hard to keep the kids and wife happy which a lot of men do (we don't have feelings remember), but eventually it became too much. It wasn't until a couple of years later it all came out.

It is wrong. We need a culture of professional challenge and to applaud people who escalate real material issues and take ownership. I'm not on about the guy just constantly giving out and shouting about everything, that's not very pragmatic, but moreso the guy who is able to separate what is important from the noise and push the agenda on real issues. Applaud that guy. Don't nail him to the wall or seek to put his balls in a blender.

myshirt

biko wrote: »

One man's whistle-blower is another man's traitor.

A rat is it?

#noratting

Shurimgreat

I think the people of Ireland bear a large degree of responsibility for the crash in the past.

Continually voted anti-regulation parties like Progressive Democrats and Fianna Fail into power.

Went mad during the property boom, and engaged in get rich quick schemes at the expense of their fellow citizens.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry was styling themselves as a property developer.

Estate Agents putting exorbitant prices on houses.

People taking out mortgages 9 or 10 times their salary.

Yes there was institutional corruption, but I get sick of hearing people blaming everything on government. We the people elect the government and we always get the government we deserve.

Wanderer78

Shurimgreat wrote:

I think the people of Ireland bear a large degree of responsibility for the crash in the past.

We were sold a pup, then group think took over, surely we 've learned our lesson?

myshirt

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are right. There are a lot of people in this country looking at themselves in the mirror with an undeserved sense of accomplishment, and many people here believing personal effort was the key driver of where they are in life and patting themselves on the back.

I'm personally for very, very high CAT rates to stamp out passing that wealth to the next generation, the giving of gifts for house deposits, etc. Plainly, where one generation has benefited (and benefited greatly) from direct and dysfunctional government intervention (that young people pay for now), it is only right that that generation be taxed quite highly to redress the balance.

Poster above talks about us all going mad, but remember there were a lot of communities left behind in the boom to the benefit of others. Knocknaheeny in Cork for example.

Wanderer78

myshirt wrote:

Poster above talks about us all going mad, but remember there were a lot of communities left behind in the boom to the benefit of others. Knocknaheeny in Cork for example.

The sad and disturbing truth is, not much has actually changed, I do believe the next crash will be devastating. We need to prepare now

CoolHandBandit

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The sad and disturbing truth is, not much has actually changed, I do believe the next crash will be devastating. We need to prepare now

We are in no way prepared. Pay rises for PS all round and people ready to vote in the same old political parties that have lead us to ruin time and again as well as attempting to destroy good people like Sugerman. In a way we deserve all we have coming.

deadlineday

https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/jonathan-sugarman?bucket=&source=twitter-share-button

2500 signatures since yesterday evening with little or no msm coverage.

CoolHandBandit

deadlineday wrote: »

https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/jonathan-sugarman?bucket=&source=twitter-share-button

2500 signatures since yesterday evening with little or no msm coverage.

Thanks for that. Hopefully this can get the ball rolling. MSM has been a disgrace the last 24hrs ignoring this.

DrumSteve

This man is a national hero and I would love to see this news everywhere.

But this is Ireland.

deadlineday

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Thanks for that. Hopefully this can get the ball rolling. MSM has been a disgrace the last 24hrs ignoring this.

No bother.if you could add the link to your OP post it might help.its will keep it trending on twitter and thats all we can do to keep him in peoples minds.MSM are we even surprised??

diomed

myshirt wrote: »

He's on the ball in the clip there.

The organs of this state are rightly corrupt right to the core, make no mistake about it. Huge, huge cultural issues in our public service and that's where it all stems from and comes back to; yes a few sinister people, but moreso it is a cultural issue more than anything, a paw out entitlement attitude. Gards, teachers, the lot of them. Jobs for your friends, cousins, daughters, friend's daughters. It permeates our culture.

This says everything about our public service and its open competition.

diomed

myshirt wrote: »

I'm personally for very, very high CAT rates to stamp out passing that wealth to the next generation, the giving of gifts for house deposits, etc.

If I was in a position of power I would give all my sons and daughters top jobs in the public service to defeat your tax on capital. And they would then appoint their sons and daughters. And I would tell them to do no work except brown nose others and form cliques to harass genuine workers and hunt whistleblowers.
(the above is not my style, but is what we have)

TerrorFirmer

How are people figuring that media are ignoring this? I read about this on RTE, Newstalk and the Irish Times, and I'm sure it's plenty other places also.

hytrogen

DrumSteve wrote:

But this is Ireland.

Romantic Ireland is dead and gone, it's with O'Leary in the grave

Never a truer metaphor for this day and age, it's time to clean out the fossils of yesteryears take control of our future and dam the past of the old ways..

Snickers Man

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

^ This post basically the exemplifies the soft bigotry of low expectations.

"Ah shur, we're not perfect, but we're not as bad as dem uns over dere. See - look over dere, dem uns are worser" - all that s.hite.

There's a reason why Ireland goes through periodic systemic economic crises, and that those responsible largely escape scot-free, while those not to blame end up being on low wage jobs, falling into depression, emigrating, or worse. Simple as.

There's one little question that bothers me: If, as he says, he is now unemployable as a financial risk manager and has to depend on charity, why is that so? Surely, if there are other places where financial probity, and those trained to identify and mitigate likely risks, is prized then why would he have such a problem?

I only ask.

enzo roco

MSM????

Googled it, had to, because I'm not cool.

JJUC!!!!!

Beyondgone

Snickers Man wrote: »

There's one little question that bothers me: If, as he says, he is now unemployable as a financial risk manager and has to depend on charity, why is that so? Surely, if there are other places where financial probity, and those trained to identify and mitigate likely risks, is prized then why would he have such a problem?

I only ask.

Everyone publicly applauds "Whistleblowers" and privately fears them, because maybe almost everyone in the corporate world has little, murky secrets they seek to keep. Why hire someone who might upset the apple-cart? "Not a Team-Player" would be the technical definition. Too straight would be the non-technical one.